Would Christ Vote?

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posthuman

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In certain states the electors must vote for the one who won the state. Don't believe that there have been that many faithless electors in the political history of the United States. There have only been a total of 90 faithless electors who did not vote for the winning candidate in the political history of the United States. The outcome has never been changed due to faithless electors.
pointing out the vulnerability in the armor, not the wound. ;)
 

posthuman

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I know it might be shocking for you to hear, but God can use the "pagans" to reach His goal of establishing His Kingdom
then why do you worry God might appoint a pagan to govern the US against your will?
 

posthuman

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I know it might be shocking for you to hear, but God can use the "pagans" to reach His goal of establishing His Kingdom
not shocking to me; in fact that's been my narrative for this entire discussion.

maybe shocking for you to hear, but post is not unfamiliar with the Bible.

:coffee::unsure:
 

Cameron143

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what's the difference?
not sure i understand what you're saying with this part
The difference is we not only get to establish religious organizations, we also get to exercise our religious practices. Private businesses can establish their own regulations and practices as a condition of employment. They can actually limit the exercise of religion on their properties and in their businesses. This is not so in government. In America, it is often easier for Christians to impact the nation through government than outside it.
 

Cameron143

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for Christmas i would like a patch that says this, for my jacket

:love:
Don't know if I can oblige you there but I'm willing to send you the paper plate and straw monstrosity my son made in Sunday school 25 years ago.
 

posthuman

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The difference is we not only get to establish religious organizations, we also get to exercise our religious practices. Private businesses can establish their own regulations and practices as a condition of employment. They can actually limit the exercise of religion on their properties and in their businesses. This is not so in government. In America, it is often easier for Christians to impact the nation through government than outside it.
interestingly when the Jews stoned Paul, they were breaking the law. Rome allowed them to continue their temple worship ((and anyone else to worship however they liked)) but forbid them to execute anyone. that's why the sannhedrin presented Christ to Pilate, instead of trying to stone Him themselves.

this is what God chose

seems straightforward that the more worldly power anyone has, the power they have over the world.

but our strength is the joy of the LORD - do i need to be a mayor to have joy?

:p

"against such things there is no law"
 

posthuman

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Don't know if I can oblige you there but I'm willing to send you the paper plate and straw monstrosity my son made in Sunday school 25 years ago.
one day i am going to spring for my own embroidery machine

looks pretty fun
 

Cameron143

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interestingly when the Jews stoned Paul, they were breaking the law. Rome allowed them to continue their temple worship ((and anyone else to worship however they liked)) but forbid them to execute anyone. that's why the sannhedrin presented Christ to Pilate, instead of trying to stone Him themselves.

this is what God chose

seems straightforward that the more worldly power anyone has, the power they have over the world.

but our strength is the joy of the LORD - do i need to be a mayor to have joy?

:p

"against such things there is no law"
I agree that our delight should always be in the Lord, and we actually do this poorly as our affections for God are far too meager. But God made us all with a purpose and remade us with works in mind. You may not find your satisfaction in God in the mayor's chair. Someone else might.
 

posthuman

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I agree that our delight should always be in the Lord, and we actually do this poorly as our affections for God are far too meager. But God made us all with a purpose and remade us with works in mind. You may not find your satisfaction in God in the mayor's chair. Someone else might.
that's true. and God will surely put them there, if it's His will, whether for blessing or judgment.

i don't worry :)
that's my lot
 

Cameron143

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that's true. and God will surely put them there, if it's His will, whether for blessing or judgment.

i don't worry :)
that's my lot
I went to an auction one time that said there would be lots for sale. I was surprised when only land was for sale.
 

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pointing out the vulnerability in the armor, not the wound. ;)
Plenty of vulnerability for sure.

Keep the electoral college but get rid of the electors. If a presidential candidate wins the state he or she gets the electoral votes period. There is no point for an unelected elector for even voting.

Also, have uniform election rules for each state. Have uniform rules for when the count of each state must end.

All votes must actually be received no later than the actual general election day. Any votes received after the election day are disqualified. Non partisans teams for each precinct to monitor the process.

Have voter registration based on social security number and government issue ID. The voter to actually be present to register.

If this isn't viable due to health issues a proxy can be used in their place.

All such proxies must register before hand. A proxy can only register and vote on behalf of their client one time only. They are limited to only representing one client only. Each proxy to vote for their client on the actual election day.

Ensure all potential voter registrations are US citizens only.
 

posthuman

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Keep the electoral college but get rid of the electors. If a presidential candidate wins the state he or she gets the electoral votes period. There is no point for an unelected elector for even voting.
i'm not really a fan of electoral college.
a popular vote would eliminate the opportunity to gerrymander districts, which is prolific and imo quite wrong, amounting to systemic partisan election interference coming from both sides.
 

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Proponents of the electoral college say it balances things and keeps larger states from dominating; however, there is no balance with the electoral college either. Every year it's a battle for a few swing states which have the most electors. The latest data show that Trump lost the popular vote despite earlier reports that said he won. As it is, my vote counted for nothing since I live in a solidly red state. I wouldn't have voted for Harris, but if someone else would've run I might have voted for them and my vote may have actually mattered.
 

Cameron143

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Proponents of the electoral college say it balances things and keeps larger states from dominating; however, there is no balance with the electoral college either. Every year it's a battle for a few swing states which have the most electors. The latest data show that Trump lost the popular vote despite earlier reports that said he won. As it is, my vote counted for nothing since I live in a solidly red state. I wouldn't have voted for Harris, but if someone else would've run I might have voted for them and my vote may have actually mattered.
Trump did win the popular vote.
 

ResidentAlien

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Proponents of the electoral college say it balances things and keeps larger states from dominating; however, there is no balance with the electoral college either. Every year it's a battle for a few swing states which have the most electors. The latest data show that Trump lost the popular vote despite earlier reports that said he won. As it is, my vote counted for nothing since I live in a solidly red state. I wouldn't have voted for Harris, but if someone else would've run I might have voted for them and my vote may have actually mattered.
Correction: I said "every year." Should've said "every presidential election."
 

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Correction: I said "every year." Should've said "every presidential election."
You also said your vote counted for nothing, but then you indicated that you did not vote for Harris or Trump, so who DID you vote for? (Did you write in Jesus Christ? :^)
 

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i'm not really a fan of electoral college.
a popular vote would eliminate the opportunity to gerrymander districts, which is prolific and imo quite wrong, amounting to systemic partisan election interference coming from both sides.
Seeing how Trump won both the electoral vote and the popular vote I'm OK with this.