You who are without sin, throw the first stone!
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Well I for one will not sit here and act all self righteous, but I am a Christian. I have been one since April of 1996. Even now there are times that I want to smack the stupid out of people. Especially on this forum. Therefore, I sin, but because of Jesus I have forgiveness.
Do you honestly believe anyone in Christ, Yeshua, would leave someone who is seeking truth to simply follow his own thoughts? We all yield to what is proven the Source of all Wisdom, true Knowledge and Love, He being our Heavenly Father.
Anyone who believes Yahweh, God, and allowed a person to believe he can do anything without Yahweh would be remiss as a worshiper of God. Man's thoughts are not Yahweh, God's thoughts, His ways are not our ways. It is incumbent upon the children to learn from the Father and to obey Him in spirit and truth. Otherwise there is an enormous sea out there filled with philosophies and ologies falsely called knowledge, and they await any who seek to be an island faith rather than part of the whole, and that Whole is the Family in God with God, Yahweh, as our Father.
It is a very lonely and mistaken path to fill oneself with what is falsely called knowledge to replace the true salvation in Jesus, Yeshua.
You misunderstood. Massively.
Action starts with thought. So when I have an impulsive thought, I do something.
Most people run around life, just doing, believing and following whatever takes their fancy without stopping to be aware of what is actually in our own heads.
Most of it is nonsense. Most of what people think is 'what dress do I wear' or 'oh thats nice'.
Bjt have you ever stopped, and listened to your own mind?
Have you ever said to yourself, 'wait, that's not right, let's go back. Why did I think that?'
What I am saying is that with the right frame of mind, being very self aware and pointing our thoughts and actions toward peace, we can understand and accomplish what God wants.
If everybody took every hungry person and made them well again, like we could, and then every person on Earth sat for just thirty seconds being mindful of our own thoughts and turning them towards love, the world would be sinless and without anguish for thirty seconds.
The point is that by looking at myself, i remove the need for others to. I remove judgement.
I also mould myself and try to shape myself into something better.
Action starts with thought. So when I have an impulsive thought, I do something.
Most people run around life, just doing, believing and following whatever takes their fancy without stopping to be aware of what is actually in our own heads.
Most of it is nonsense. Most of what people think is 'what dress do I wear' or 'oh thats nice'.
Bjt have you ever stopped, and listened to your own mind?
Have you ever said to yourself, 'wait, that's not right, let's go back. Why did I think that?'
What I am saying is that with the right frame of mind, being very self aware and pointing our thoughts and actions toward peace, we can understand and accomplish what God wants.
If everybody took every hungry person and made them well again, like we could, and then every person on Earth sat for just thirty seconds being mindful of our own thoughts and turning them towards love, the world would be sinless and without anguish for thirty seconds.
The point is that by looking at myself, i remove the need for others to. I remove judgement.
I also mould myself and try to shape myself into something better.
Jesus took upon our sins and became sin so that He was punished and died but then rose again so that we could receive forgiveness for our sins...past, present and future sins as we turn to God in love and turn from our sins...it is an ongoing process that will be completed once we are dead or once Jesus has returned...whichever comes first..we are clothed in the righteousness of Jesus so that God sees us as Jesus...perfectly sinless...the sins that remain in us are being purged and moreso purged as we yield and submit to God through Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit
Sinless perfection is a false doctrine.
Here's a thought...
As born again children of God, the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins. If a person believes they are sinless then are they really saved? - because they are obviously not experiencing this same conviction!
1 John 1:8-10: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us"
Here's a thought...
As born again children of God, the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins. If a person believes they are sinless then are they really saved? - because they are obviously not experiencing this same conviction!
1 John 1:8-10: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us"
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chuinchoy
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i think christians still do fall into sin because satan is not eternally defeated yet. But the occurance should not be as frequent as before we were saved. However, priase be to our father, for he has promised us in 1John 1:8-9 says" if we claim to be without sin, we deceives ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithfull and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness".
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Jemuel
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If my understanding is correct.....
In dealing with somebody who has committed a sin, does that mean we should examine ourselves first before dealing. Which includes giving out advise and so on and so forth....And since we aren't perfect, we just ignore it and mould ourselves and try to shape ourselves into something better..?
Would it be wrong to put it this way.. Yeah we know for a fact we are not perfect..However, since we love one another, we can address the sin not the sinner. Rebuke them with love? Pointing to the sin itself and not the one who commits it.............
The point is, that by looking at myself, I remove the need for others to.
The back and forward judgement and petty arguing, do you think God is pleased at that?
Katy I never said I have not sinned. But the aim is to NOT sin.
Jesus forgives sins, yes He does. But does that mean I should just sin and sin and sin??
Come on this is basic, basic stuff.
I gotta stop sinning and live a life of love and devotion to God. How do I do that??
I become mindful of the very source of my actions; my thoughts. Jesus spoke about this too.
Read it in context please because I tend to find I am often misunderstood or a sentence of what I say is taken from the context of the whole post and focused on without the rest around it to give it meaning.
The back and forward judgement and petty arguing, do you think God is pleased at that?
Katy I never said I have not sinned. But the aim is to NOT sin.
Jesus forgives sins, yes He does. But does that mean I should just sin and sin and sin??
Come on this is basic, basic stuff.
I gotta stop sinning and live a life of love and devotion to God. How do I do that??
I become mindful of the very source of my actions; my thoughts. Jesus spoke about this too.
Read it in context please because I tend to find I am often misunderstood or a sentence of what I say is taken from the context of the whole post and focused on without the rest around it to give it meaning.
Also think of this.
What is better to say;
'You sinned'
Or 'This is how i stopped'.
If I have not stopped committing the sin that the other committed, then what purpose does 'you sinned' serve?
Chances are the person already knows they are sinning. anyway.
I mean, we all are.
What is better to say;
'You sinned'
Or 'This is how i stopped'.
If I have not stopped committing the sin that the other committed, then what purpose does 'you sinned' serve?
Chances are the person already knows they are sinning. anyway.
I mean, we all are.
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Jemuel
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John 13:34-35
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
I will continue to love each and everyone. When I say I love them, I let them know what is wrong. Because i care for them. I will tell them once, twice and thrice. Then I pray for God's will. The truth hurts and the truth will set us free. Better be hurt with a truth rather than be comforted with a lie.
It's like portraying a mirror. So cast me your stones, I'l be glad to receive them. So long as the name of Jesus is lifted up, the hurt doesn't matter anymore. It is not healthy to point who is really right? The question is just throw your stones you who sins not.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
I LOVE YOU ALL WITH THE LOVE OF THE LORD........
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
I will continue to love each and everyone. When I say I love them, I let them know what is wrong. Because i care for them. I will tell them once, twice and thrice. Then I pray for God's will. The truth hurts and the truth will set us free. Better be hurt with a truth rather than be comforted with a lie.
It's like portraying a mirror. So cast me your stones, I'l be glad to receive them. So long as the name of Jesus is lifted up, the hurt doesn't matter anymore. It is not healthy to point who is really right? The question is just throw your stones you who sins not.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
I LOVE YOU ALL WITH THE LOVE OF THE LORD........
No one who loves Yeshua, Jesus, is looking at a list of sins or any individual sin. Anyone who does is out of touch with the Holy Spirit. We know not to judge anyone, taught directly from the Master. All have sinned and come short of the glory of Yahweh, God, this is the most basic of learning. If you care to go through life looking at your own sin or sins, I am afraid you are totally unaware of mercy and grace. You are free of sin. If anyone judges you to condemnation, they have only managed to judge themselves for your iniquity is no longer imputed to you. So why on earth would you want to look at your sin or sins. Do not sin, live as cleanly as possible. If you stumble, faith tells us Yeshua, Jesus, will keep us from falling. I know I do not look at, or for sins...... It may sound trite or tired, but it is true, love the sinner, Jesus does, but not for their sin, for their faith.
But I mean, it always comes back, for me, to Jesus' 2 commandments. Love God and love my neighbour.
Neighbour actually means anybody in your proximity. So love anyone in your proximity, anyone you can see, touch, or reach.
And if I love someone, and I love God, then I won't say 'you sinner, you'. It hurts their feelings. And it also is quite nasty and I would feel like I am exalting myself abovr someone else even though I have committed the same sin.
I'd say 'I have also done that. How can we stop?'
If i say, 'you sinner', it creates division.
If I ask how we can stop, it is kind, creates bond, and is a pleasing action and direction.
This is what I mean.
Love isnt a destination its a way of life.
Neighbour actually means anybody in your proximity. So love anyone in your proximity, anyone you can see, touch, or reach.
And if I love someone, and I love God, then I won't say 'you sinner, you'. It hurts their feelings. And it also is quite nasty and I would feel like I am exalting myself abovr someone else even though I have committed the same sin.
I'd say 'I have also done that. How can we stop?'
If i say, 'you sinner', it creates division.
If I ask how we can stop, it is kind, creates bond, and is a pleasing action and direction.
This is what I mean.
Love isnt a destination its a way of life.
Knowing the truth of that last of your post, highlighted, then it is true for God is love, and thus, the Way of Life.
You will be one with Yahweh, God, and the entire family if you want, but keep in mind, your only agreement will be within the Holy Spirit. At the level of the mind only, no two people are alike, and they are always able to find something, just anything, to disagree on, but you will always be at peace in the Holy Spirit.
The last thing I ever want is for others to agree with me, nor would I want to be in agreement with others simply to be accepted...........nope, not at all. I do want you to have peace in the Holy Spirit in the name of Yeshua, for this is peace indeed. Now, I am not even beginning to say you do not have this peace, but my prayer is that you have it and in abundance, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.