Young Earth Creation. Does it matter what you believe?

[valiant]

You have to look at it from God's perspective...


Isaiah 45:

[SUP]12[/SUP] I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

lets look at God's perspective. He made the earth, He created man, He stretched out the firmament, He did not stretch out the stars, rather He commanded them. All as in Gen 1.

But its amazing what you can read into a verse if you really try.

 

[valiant]

people want to say they trust God and his word.

yet they do not agree with his word. or the power of God to do anything. like create a world of age, able to be immediately habital by men, with every star created seen in the heavens the day they were created.

That proves a powerful God.

don;t try to force God into science, Just let science flow, and it will prove God in areas that can be seen and proven. Trust the Scripture in areas that can not be seen and proven (like how stars were seen the moment they were created)

As Cromwell said to Fairfax, 'For God's sake. Fairfax, consider that you might be wrong.' Its not Scripture that is untrustworthy. Its man's petty ideas about what it means.

"We are right. Anyone who disagrees with us is wrong." So said the BandarLog.

 

[Laodicea]

I make no claims as to how old the earth is. But the idea that it is only 6,000 years old is patently false. The diggings at Jericho resulted in the discovery of a town older than that. And that was post-flood. Writing was invented 5,500 years ago and it was certainly not before the flood.

Besides the idea that Shem was still alive when Abraham died (as the genealogies require) and is never mentioned is simply not feasible. Ancient Israelites did not ignore the father of the tribe in that way. And it would mean that Abraham left him among the idol worshippers. It would also mean that he was ignored by them also for when wives were sought for Isaac and Jacob the oldest patriarch mentioned is Bethuel.



thus saith the prophet Laodicea. !!!



I did not deny that the Sabbath could be seen as lasting a day and a night. It would be natural if the day was observed, that the night would be also. But that is the point. It was 'a day and a night' NOT a modern 24 hour day.

There is no mention of a yom in the verse you cite.

However that citation in no way proves that the yoms mentioned in Exodus 20 represented a day and a night. The Israelites thought in terms of yoms = periods of light. Otherwise it would be unthinkable that someone could speak of 'forty days and forty nights.

And this is confirmed by Genesis 1 which SAYS that a yom is a period of light. You can give no example where a 'day' is 'a day and a night'.



we are not discussing the New Testament period when the treatment of time had completely changed. By then 'days' were divided into twelve, and nights into four watches. So that is irrelevant. I realise that you ignore context and fail to discern how man's knowledge expanded. But that is the case.



Sooooooo? I have not denied it. I have only denied that Exodus 20 refers to it.



They did observe the Sabbath from sunset to sunset. It is just not mentioned in Genesis or Exodus 20.



The account of creation teaches that a yom is a period of light. so you are clearly wrong. it commences at dawn AND ENDS AT DUSK. Nowhere in Scripture is a day and a night said to be 'the evening and the morning'. but a day is said to commence at dawn and end at dusk.



It is not proof at all. It simply depends on your dogmatic statement. I realise that you 'Bible believing Christians' DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE when it disagrees with you. The ONLY definition in Genesis 1 of a yom is as a period of light. and it is in THE SAME VERSE as the dusk and the dawn were of the first yom. If you really believe the Bible and not your own ideas the meaning is clear..




Do you mean I should not believe the Bible when it defines words but should take your definition instead?

The Bible says God created the earth and everything in it in six days, but you look like you are trying to change that so the Bible does not mean what it says. Remember God gave the Law, so when God said in the 4th commandment that He created the earth in six days He did not mean what He said? With that kind of reasoning when we are trying to get people to believe the Bible and tell them the Bible does not mean what it says what would that do for their faith in the Bible?

I prefer to believe the Bible when it says God created the earth and everything in it in six days than in your opinion of the Bible.

 

[tourist]

The Bible says God created the earth and everything in it in six days, but you look like you are trying to change that so the Bible does not mean what it says. Remember God gave the Law, so when God said in the 4th commandment that He created the earth in six days He did not mean what He said? With that kind of reasoning when we are trying to get people to believe the Bible and tell them the Bible does not mean what it says what would that do for their faith in the Bible?

I prefer to believe the Bible when it says God created the earth and everything in it in six days than in your opinion of the Bible.

I prefer to believe the Bible also. It says in Genesis that evening and morning is one day. The entire universe was created in 6 literal days. On the seventh day God rested from His work.

Remember to keep holy the Sabbath. If this commandment was no longer in effect than we would not be told by God to remember it.

I am in agreement with you on this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

lets look at God's perspective. He made the earth, He created man, He stretched out the firmament, He did not stretch out the stars, rather He commanded them. All as in Gen 1.

But its amazing what you can read into a verse if you really try.

Yet science says the universe is expanding ans has been from the beginning. So unless you think God has zero control of the universe. You just states something "he did not stretch out the stars" that you do not believe yourself

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As Cromwell said to Fairfax, 'For God's sake. Fairfax, consider that you might be wrong.' Its not Scripture that is untrustworthy. Its man's petty ideas about what it means.

"We are right. Anyone who disagrees with us is wrong." So said the BandarLog.

not sure what this has to do with what I said.

 

[valiant]

The Bible says God created the earth and everything in it in six days, but you look like you are trying to change that so the Bible does not mean what it says. Remember God gave the Law, so when God said in the 4th commandment that He created the earth in six days He did not mean what He said? With that kind of reasoning when we are trying to get people to believe the Bible and tell them the Bible does not mean what it says what would that do for their faith in the Bible?

I prefer to believe the Bible when it says God created the earth and everything in it in six days than in your opinion of the Bible.

well if you can't take what I said which disagrees with you and prove me wrong then your opinion doesn't count for very much' you are just a dogmatist misreading scripture with no real arguments. you go well with the others lol gramophone records.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant As Cromwell said to Fairfax, 'For God's sake. Fairfax, consider that you might be wrong.' Its not Scripture that is untrustworthy. Its man's petty ideas about what it means.

"We are right. Anyone who disagrees with us is wrong." So said the BandarLog.

not sure what this has to do with what I said.

I think it describes you all perfectly

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant lets look at God's perspective. He made the earth, He created man, He stretched out the firmament, He did not stretch out the stars, rather He commanded them. All as in Gen 1.

But its amazing what you can read into a verse if you really try.

Yet science says the universe is expanding ans has been from the beginning. So unless you think God has zero control of the universe. You just states something "he did not stretch out the stars" that you do not believe yourself

lol you can make a vague expression you invent mean anything. But Scripture does not say He stretches out the stars. It was the ehavens that He stretched out. The firmament.

 

[kedge]

"We are right. Anyone who disagrees with us is wrong." So said the BandarLog.

Hahaha!, classic and casual humor.

 

[popeye]

I prefer to believe the Bible also. It says in Genesis that evening and morning is one day. The entire universe was created in 6 literal days. On the seventh day God rested from His work.

Remember to keep holy the Sabbath. If this commandment was no longer in effect than we would not be told by God to remember it.

I am in agreement with you on this.

Yes,myself also.

The detractors are hung up on rabbit trails.

The jewish day starts in the evening

They are trying to discern a spiritual book with a western mind.
They gotta get outta that hole to even begin.

 

[valiant]

Yes,myself also.

The detractors are hung up on rabbit trails.

The jewish day starts in the evening

They are trying to discern a spiritual book with a western mind.
They gotta get outta that hole to even begin.

no, the Jewish night begins in the evening. the Jewish day begins in the morning.

'and very early on the first day of the week', that is at daybreak. if day was seen as including night it would have said , 'half way through the first day of the week' (Mark 16.2).

'on the evening of that day, the first day of the week' -- evening closes the day, not opens it (John 20.19).

God separated the light from the darkness, and the light He called DAY, and the darkness He called NIGHT. and the dusk and the dawn were of the first DAY. If the first is a period of light, so is the second, (which was speaking of a 'day' which did not begin with an evening under any interpretation)..

 

[kedge]

It says in Genesis that evening and morning is one day. The entire universe was created in 6 literal days.

Many assume the universe was created in 6 literal 24 hour days, there is no absolute proof of this.

Remember to keep holy the Sabbath. If this commandment was no longer in effect than we would not be told by God to remember it.

Many Christians don't observe the sabbath anymore, but you could be right? where did Jesus Christ who has all authority command this observance in the new testament?


Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

 

[valiant]

I prefer to believe the Bible also. It says in Genesis that evening and morning is one day.

no it does not. it says that one 'day' had an evening and a morning'. It is in fact a strange way of defining a 24 hour day. Whereas if the 'day' is a period of light as Genesis 1 actually says, dawn to dusk fits perfectly.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think it describes you all perfectly

said the one who thinks he is right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

lol you can make a vague expression you invent mean anything. But Scripture does not say He stretches out the stars. It was the ehavens that He stretched out. The firmament.

You can ignore things all you want But since the stars are PART of the heavens, if the heavens are stretched out, the stars will go with it. And this is EXACTLY what science shows happened.

wow. again, you need to take your response to the last post. and read it to yourself. your the one who is closed minded.

 

[valiant]

You can ignore things all you want But since the stars are PART of the heavens, if the heavens are stretched out, the stars will go with it. And this is EXACTLY what science shows happened.

so do you believe the stars are fixed in a kind of plated heaven so that stretching one moves the stars. ? or do you have a little more common sense?

I don't think scientist will be impressed by your claim that they believe such foolish thing.

I can quite understand that someone with your views has to believe such a ridiculous idea, because you don't understand metaphor. but don't impute it to those who are wiser.

wow. again, you need to take your response to the last post. and read it to yourself. your the one who is closed minded.

LOL no one is more closed minded than people who try to read modern dating methods back to the ancient Hebrews. At least I stick rigidly to the Hebrew. You twist it and turn it to suit your false ideas. God DEFINED yom and you STILL don't believe it. Pathetic.

 

[kedge]

God DEFINED yom.

That is quite interesting because if man can not see God and yet live then obviously nobody can ask God directly?, I was wondering then if one asks the Holy Spirit for guidance?, if so, what did the Holy Spirit say to each Christian?, if that is how it works?

Exodus 33:20
But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

 

[valiant]

That is quite interesting because if man can not see God and yet live then obviously nobody can ask God directly?, I was wondering then if one asks the Holy Spirit for guidance?, if so, what did the Holy Spirit say to each Christian?, if that is how it works?

Exodus 33:20
But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

The idea that anyone has such access to the mind of the Holy Spirit that they can genuinely say 'the Holy Spirit showed me' is totally ridiculous. He does not work like that. What someone who says that means is 'I have decided that this is how I will see it so this is what I will say.' The Holy Spirit is not there trying to make us omniscient. He is more concerned with our inner lives.

What we can do is trust the Holy Spirit when He says in Scripture, 'God said' or 'God called'. So when it says 'God called a period of light YOM' we can accept that as God's definition of yom in that context..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

so do you believe the stars are fixed in a kind of plated heaven so that stretching one moves the stars. ? or do you have a little more common sense?

I don't think scientist will be impressed by your claim that they believe such foolish thing.

I can quite understand that someone with your views has to believe such a ridiculous idea, because you don't understand metaphor. but don't impute it to those who are wiser.

I believe what science says, that they stars are every day going further and further from whatever we they claim the center of the universe is.

As for wise. I think what God says, he will make the wise fools, and the fools wise. I think you should heed what God was warning..

as for me, I am not worried about what science says, I was not there, No one knows what actually took place we can only guess.

there are all kinds of theories which are out there. Some make sense, Some do not. Some are WAY out there.

People can believe what they want, no sweat of my back

LOL no one is more closed minded than people who try to read modern dating methods back to the ancient Hebrews. At least I stick rigidly to the Hebrew. You twist it and turn it to suit your false ideas. God DEFINED yom and you STILL don't believe it. Pathetic.

lol.. Your viewpoint still. Your closed minded because I did not say one way or the other. I claim I am leaning this way, Because of the poof I see.

Your say since I do not agree with you. I am ****** (insert whatever name you wish to call me today)

so we see who is closed minded.