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FreeNChrist
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Seriously, to say that Christians will be judged for their sins is to deny the efficacy of the Cross.
YOUR SINS ARE NOT BEING RECORDED
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Seriously, to say that Christians will be judged for their sins is to deny the efficacy of the Cross.
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roaringkitten
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I will add to the thread, the Bible says Jesus came to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. In the OT, the blood of animals could not take away sin, and there was a remembrance of sin every year(Heb 10:1-4).
"For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." Heb 9:26
"For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." Heb 9:26
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FreeNChrist
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“You’re worried about permissiveness—about the way the preaching of grace seems to say it’s okay to do all kinds of terrible things as long as you just walk in afterward and take the free gift of God’s forgiveness… While you and I may be worried about seeming to give permission, Jesus apparently wasn’t. He wasn’t afraid of giving the prodigal son a kiss instead of a lecture, a party instead of probation; and he proved that by bringing in the elder brother at the end of the story and having him raise pretty much the same objections you do. He’s angry about the party. He complains that his father is lowering standards and ignoring virtue—that music, dancing, and a fattened calf are, in effect, just so many permissions to break the law. And to that, Jesus has the father say only one thing: “Cut that out! We’re not playing good boys and bad boys anymore. Your brother was dead and he’s alive again. The name of the game from now on is resurrection, not bookkeeping.”
– Robert Farrar Capon, Between Noon and Three
Amen..good scripture..unfortunately there are going to be those that reject His sacrifice and His righteousness and want to establish their own righteousness and they will remain dead...they will be judged fairly by "their" deeds/works as Phil112 pointed out...
I guess false-grace believers turn I hold your sins against you into I hold your righteousness against you. Par for the course.
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FreeNChrist
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I'm waiting for someone to explain how a Christian who doesn't do the will of GOD will enter heaven.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21
God knows we are no perfect and no I do not think he keeps tabs on all of your sins and wrong doings but there comes a time when you have to try correct your self and try to stop behaving in the manor you know may not be christian. However God is forgiving and we if pray to God and say lord i have had a bad day and I have done things I should not have please forgive me he will just do not make a habit out of doing wrong on purpose and then saying oh I will pray and GOD will forgive me because then your not being a true Christian. everything we do we can control to a point unless there is a medical reason you can not control things but if GOD sees your trying to change he will forgive. That is my opinion
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FreeNChrist
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The “will of God” is always Jesus, His life lived out in His people in every situation. Who other than Christians do the will of God? Who other than Christians can do the will of God?
Context is king when viewing all scripture.....scripture must be compared with other scripture - or you can make the bible say anything you want....
Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....
Jesus never said that " He once knew them...but He NEVER knew them at all "
John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, andknow my sheep, and am known of mine.
Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we live our lives dependent on Him and His life in and through us.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8[/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....
Jesus never said that " He once knew them...but He NEVER knew them at all "
John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, andknow my sheep, and am known of mine.
Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we live our lives dependent on Him and His life in and through us.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8[/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
I have found at least 7 things about doing the will of God on this earth now that we are in Christ.
1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40
2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21
3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )
4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18
5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16
6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9
7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5
According to the works-based salvationists...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....how foolish this nonsense is.
What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say not doing all the will of God are not saved - without factoring in the finished work of our Lord Jesus for He is our salvation.
The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9
The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40
2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21
3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )
4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18
5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16
6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9
7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5
According to the works-based salvationists...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....how foolish this nonsense is.
What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say not doing all the will of God are not saved - without factoring in the finished work of our Lord Jesus for He is our salvation.
The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9
The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
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eternally-gratefull
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I think God kept some Beta Max players in good shapelolol!!
How about 8 track?..that's an oldie too
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eternally-gratefull
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No child of God will be at this judgment seat..
Jesus took this judgment in their place. They will be present at the bema, Where their works will be rewarded, or burnt as Gold silver precious stone, wood hay and straw.
The passage says death and hades are delivered to Christ, Gods children are resurrected by Christ. not delivered to him.
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eternally-gratefull
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No such creature, A christian is one who does the will of God.
Of course, there are alot of fakes and wannabes,, But that does not mean they are christian.
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eternally-gratefull
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popeye
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You left out the repentance.
That is the crux of the matter. Of course he was accepted
After the prodigal DID 3certain deliberate things ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE.
You left that out
Hhmmmm
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eternally-gratefull
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you keep forgetting the blood.
The prodigal was the blood son of the father before he left. While he was God, and after he returned.
He never stopped being the son..
Stop forgetting the blood. The blood is what makes us children.. We are born of Blood (christ's) not works.
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roaringkitten
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Amen. You can never go wrong EG if you remember the blood, talk to others about the blood, and let the blood of Christ defend you and other grace believers. Keep talking about it!
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Rev 1:5