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Viva4Life

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Show me your ways Lord,teach me your paths,guide me in your truth and teach me,for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in You all day long.
Psalms 25:4-5
 

homwardbound

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Show me your ways Lord,teach me your paths,guide me in your truth and teach me,for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in You all day long.
Psalms 25:4-5
Believe, God to do that, God will do that
Just understand, evil is all around and will try to get you to not believe in God as love and mercy to you. What?
Take a read in the book of Job, note what Satan evil states to God about Job
Will you stop trusting God whom you say you believe, if you go through troubles?
Satan evil says oh yeah we will see

Devils Advocate, uses Vanity, and gets to many. I trust you will stand in trust to god no matter what troubles happen to you too.
Remembering what Jesus said to Peter, Satan wishes to sift you like wheat, but I prayed fro thy Faith Belief, When you return, you will strengthen the brethren
Wow, And Peter denied Jesus three times and Jesus after risen asked Peter, do you love me three times. Peter stated Lord, you know I do.
"Feed my Sheep"
Is that food physically or Spiritually? Remember right before the crucifixion Jesus said to them, he had food they knew not of yet
He is risen we are given this food he spoke of, to love all regardless of whoever has done or might do us wrong
that is what he meant, when he said I have overcome this world for you. It is in the risen Son where this new life begins, not in his walk or death, (that had to happen first) The risen Life is the new life he talked of in John 10:10
Who is the enemy in that first part of John 10:10?
The Thief, who is the thief?
Is it Satan , is it self or just evil itself wanting to lead anyone it can, that gets upset over things easily. That fights for their way or the highway.
I see it as Emotions when Emotion leads
Emotions cause, bring on behavior that is not good for them or anyone else around them.
Carnal wars as in 1 Cor 3, Paul speaks of
God's Love and mercy for us all revealed in Son willingly going to death once for us all frist to fulfill the Law of Moses. He either did that or not
Hebrews 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 

GWH

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Show me your ways Lord,teach me your paths,guide me in your truth and teach me,for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in You all day long.
Psalms 25:4-5
Yes! The longer version is PS 119,
the gist of which is v. 105,
"Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path."

(Hence the need to LGW :^)
 

PAC-fit

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Show me your ways Lord,teach me your paths,guide me in your truth and teach me,for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in You all day long.
Psalms 25:4-5
Search me Lord and I will find mercy for my severe sinfulness.

Through the LORD’s mercies we are not consumed, Because His compassions fail not. (Lamentations 3:22)
 

Soyeong

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Show me your ways Lord,teach me your paths,guide me in your truth and teach me,for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in You all day long.
Psalms 25:4-5
There are many verses that show that the Torah is the way to walk in God's way, such as in Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many others.
 

Dino246

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There are many verses that show that the Torah is the way to walk in God's way, such as in Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many others.
Yes, anyone familiar with the Bible knows that the Old Testament has many examples pointing people to the Law. The problem with your approach is you ignore the new covenant in Christ's blood, which is not based on adherence to the Law, but to faith in Christ's finished work.
 

PAC-fit

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There are many verses that show that the Torah is the way to walk in God's way, such as in Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many others.
After receiving Christ as Savior, I was like the brother the Apostle warned us of to not offend if I happened to see anyone around including myself, if any idols happened to be near while eating meat (aside from the sacrificial part). That came to a climax with my mother and sister who thought, 'What's wrong with you?' While in a steakhouse with occultic statues at every entrance, I was instantly reminded of Paul's word's careful not to ''offend'' that impressionable brother. But thanks be to God, it was ''Your ways Lord'' to send us the sacrificial Lamb, Jesus Christ who brings us forgivness and liberty where it's needed ,

Released From the Law, Bound to Christ
''For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

Life Through the Spirit
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Romans 7:22 - 8:4
 

Soyeong

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In Romans 7:22-8:4, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God and served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin the held him captive that he served with his flesh and he said that the the Law of the Spirit has freed us from the law of sin and death, so the freedom that we have in Christ is not from the Law of God, but from sin. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the freedom that we have in Christ is not the freedom from the law, but the freedom from lawlessness.
 

Dino246

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In Romans 7:22-8:4, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God and served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin the held him captive that he served with his flesh and he said that the the Law of the Spirit has freed us from the law of sin and death, so the freedom that we have in Christ is not from the Law of God, but from sin. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the freedom that we have in Christ is not the freedom from the law, but the freedom from lawlessness.
You don't understand Christian salvation, so stop pretending that you do.

In your distorted understanding, a person is still a sinner if they break the law, and still under its penalty, which is death. Your false "salvation" doesn't change anything.
 

PAC-fit

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Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God and served it with his mind, , ''
No sir, in 1Cor 6:12 he sprung wide-open the door of Christian liberty saying ''all things are lawful for me'' and instead refocused what we now more correctly determine to serve; For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. (Gal 5:13)
 

Soyeong

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No sir, in 1Cor 6:12 he sprung wide-open the door of Christian liberty saying ''all things are lawful for me'' and instead refocused what we now more correctly determine to serve; For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. (Gal 5:13)
Paul directed stated that he delighted in obeying the Law of God and served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin and directly contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God, so I didn’t see how you can deny this without denying the truth of this passage.

Do you think that Paul thought that everything that he listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 was lawful for him? People thinking that everything was lawful was a major problem that Paul was trying to correct in 1 Corinthians, especially in regard to sexual sin, so he was quoting that passage in order to argue against it, not to endorse it. Paul made it clear that we are not permitted to sin (Romans 6:1), which is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4). The fact that we are not permitted to use our freedom as an opportunity for the flesh means that we are still under the Law of God and are obligated to refrain from doing what it reveals to be works of the flesh, but should serve one another with love in accordance with what it commands.

It should not make sense to you to interpret a servant of God in a way that turns him against obeying what He has commanded. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed His children to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they teach against obeying His law, so if you consider Paul to be a servant of God as I do and you interpret him in a way that turns him against obeying the Law of God, then your only option is to conclude as I do that you must have misinterpreted him, but if you interpret him as being against obeying the Law of God and you think that your interpretation must be correct, then your only option is to consider him to be a false prophet, but either way you should still obey the Law of God. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so if it comes down to obeying God or Paul, then we should be quicker to disregard everything that Paul has said than to disregard anything that God has commanded, though the reality is that Paul was a servant of God who therefore never spoke against obeying the Law of God.
 

PAC-fit

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Paul was a servant of God who therefore never spoke against obeying the Law of God.
But he did and you have way overshot t castigate me into the novices corner. Whether or not in Hebrews, the Spirit's pen would suffice on that speaking against maintaining the law, By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. Somehow, you have managed to miss the fuller supplement on this by yes, , Paul, But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Rom 7:6) And he did die, in Rom 7:19. Uh, are you seeing a pattern here?

Bottom line to safeguard is '', , if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God
(Gal 5:18-21).
 

Dino246

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Paul directed stated that he delighted in obeying the Law of God and served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin and directly contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God, so I didn’t see how you can deny this without denying the truth of this passage.

Do you think that Paul thought that everything that he listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 was lawful for him? People thinking that everything was lawful was a major problem that Paul was trying to correct in 1 Corinthians, especially in regard to sexual sin, so he was quoting that passage in order to argue against it, not to endorse it. Paul made it clear that we are not permitted to sin (Romans 6:1), which is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4). The fact that we are not permitted to use our freedom as an opportunity for the flesh means that we are still under the Law of God and are obligated to refrain from doing what it reveals to be works of the flesh, but should serve one another with love in accordance with what it commands.

It should not make sense to you to interpret a servant of God in a way that turns him against obeying what He has commanded. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed His children to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they teach against obeying His law, so if you consider Paul to be a servant of God as I do and you interpret him in a way that turns him against obeying the Law of God, then your only option is to conclude as I do that you must have misinterpreted him, but if you interpret him as being against obeying the Law of God and you think that your interpretation must be correct, then your only option is to consider him to be a false prophet, but either way you should still obey the Law of God. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so if it comes down to obeying God or Paul, then we should be quicker to disregard everything that Paul has said than to disregard anything that God has commanded, though the reality is that Paul was a servant of God who therefore never spoke against obeying the Law of God.
If we are still under "the law of God" then we are still required to stone adulterers, sacrifice sheep, and attend the Temple three times a year. Since the latter is IMPOSSIBLE, God (through Paul) must mean something else by "serve the Law".
 

Blade

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Show me your ways Lord,teach me your paths,guide me in your truth and teach me,for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in You all day long.
Psalms 25:4-5
Not going add anything.. yes amen.. I pray it.. in Jesus name
 

Soyeong

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But he did and you have way overshot t castigate me into the novices corner.
I did not castigate you into the novices corner, but rather I spoke in regard to how I think that those passages should be understood and I made the case that Deuteronomy 13 does not leave room for us to consider Paul to be a servant of God while also thinking that he should be interpreted in a way that turns him against obeying His law.

Whether or not in Hebrews, the Spirit's pen would suffice on that speaking against maintaining the law, By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
A new covenant does not nullify the promise of a covenant that has already been ratified (Galatians 3:16-19), so God's covenants are cumulative. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete, but does not make a plow obsolete. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17), so the only way that it can be replace by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). So the New Covenant still involves following God's law (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

If God has commanded something and you think that the author of Hebrews spoke against obeying what God has commanded, then it should be a simple matter to determine who has the higher authority and which one to follow. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man.

Somehow, you have managed to miss the fuller supplement on this by yes, , Paul, But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Rom 7:6) And he did die, in Rom 7:19. Uh, are you seeing a pattern here?
Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law, so we should always be careful to discern which law he is referring to. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death, so it should at least be worth discerning which of laws Romans 7:6 is referring to us being freed from rather than blindly assume that he was speaking about the Law of God as if he were a false prophet.

Bottom line to safeguard is '', , if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God (Gal 5:18-21).
The Spirit is God, so why does it make sense to interpret that passage as saying that we aren't under God's guidance when we are under God's guidance?

In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also agains the Law of God while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. If we aren't under the law of God when we are led by the Spirit, then we are free to partake in the desires of flesh, but that is the opposite of what it means to be led by the Spirit. There are plenty of ways to interpret the Bible in a way that turns it against obeying God if you are determined to rebel against His commands, but it shouldn't make sense to you to do that.
 

Dino246

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If we aren't under the law of God when we are led by the Spirit, then we are free to partake in the desires of flesh, but that is the opposite of what it means to be led by the Spirit. There are plenty of ways to interpret the Bible in a way that turns it against obeying God if you are determined to rebel against His commands, but it shouldn't make sense to you to do that.
What you don't seem to understand is that those led by the Spirit ARE free to partake in the desires of the flesh... BUT have no desire to do so. Our core motivations are different, no longer being ruled by the sin nature. We fulfill the law by loving God and loving our neighbour, not by striving to avoid sin.

It's a whole lot simpler than you (seem to) think it is.
 

PAC-fit

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What you don't seem to understand is that those led by the Spirit ARE free to partake in the desires of the flesh... BUT have no desire to do so. Our core motivations are different, no longer being ruled by the sin nature. We fulfill the law by loving God and loving our neighbour, not by striving to avoid sin.

It's a whole lot simpler than you (seem to) think it is.
Very nice, sound and painfully simple.
 

Magenta

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But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.
For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility
by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one
new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through
the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility. Ephesians 2:13-16
 

GWH

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There are many verses that show that the Torah is the way to walk in God's way, such as in Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many others.
THE Way is Jesus.
The Torah is A way to learn one is a sinner in need of The WAY, Truth and Life.
 

Magenta

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What you don't seem to understand is that those led by the Spirit ARE free to partake in the desires of the flesh... BUT have no desire to do so. Our core motivations are different, no longer being ruled by the sin nature. We fulfill the law by loving God and loving our neighbour, not by striving to avoid sin.

It's a whole lot simpler than you (seem to) think it is.

Romans 8:9-10 ~ You are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. :)