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What happens when Believers don't obey the Gospel
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The same death, burial and resurrection, in knowledge faith of baptism, we have taken a stand in faith practice of doing works of called by the Good Shepherd regarding baptism, also as how our HOLY SPIRIT documented and taught us and them our spiritual ancestors, who have continued in the works of faith upon hearing the knowledge from CHRIST and the Apostles, as even written after the Gospel, in the book of Acts.
Power of GOD to salvation for everyone who believes, 'who are not hearers of the Word(teachings of CHRIST in the New Testament), but also are doers'.
To believe in the Gospel and welcome it's spirit and life sayings and in practice, proves spiritually one's gesture of true repentance to GOD and fellow mankind, eventually truly burying the past man, lived ignorantly according to carnality and now as a new creature excel in the New Testament. CHRIST's finish works is on the requirement of GOD's Old Covenant Law that HE lived them completely without sin in all HIS life, given to Israel, by GOD to Moses. The same GOD also judges the Gentiles accordingly to HIS righteousness, as written in the beginning chapters of the epistles to the Romans. JESUS has accomplished, only GOD's first Covenant Law's righteous requirements, initially made with HIS redeemed people in the past.
As JESUS lived the requirement of the Old, in order to accomplish them one day, HE prepared and taught the New Covenant learners, building them up, as the new creation people, to excel in spiritual righteousness, in practice as their LORD did.
'Lawlessness' mentioned in the New Covenant is believers failing to listen and pay attention to the teachings of our LORD JESUS CHRIST and HIS called practices of works to all of them, as a faithful truly repent-full people and servants, rooted in truth and are in similar actions, towards one another and to the world to witness, and honoring their MASTER's words, left behind with them, until HE returns to claim HIS one day, which supposedly is according to the 'written spirit and life AGAPE' of the New Covenant Spiritual knowledge.
i understand you and your kind of faith and believes, in the Gospel. That you'll are 'hearers but not doers' in accordance to them.
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, forgive you all and bless you in understanding HIS Covenant, HE makes with all believers.
Be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Power of GOD to salvation for everyone who believes, 'who are not hearers of the Word(teachings of CHRIST in the New Testament), but also are doers'.
To believe in the Gospel and welcome it's spirit and life sayings and in practice, proves spiritually one's gesture of true repentance to GOD and fellow mankind, eventually truly burying the past man, lived ignorantly according to carnality and now as a new creature excel in the New Testament. CHRIST's finish works is on the requirement of GOD's Old Covenant Law that HE lived them completely without sin in all HIS life, given to Israel, by GOD to Moses. The same GOD also judges the Gentiles accordingly to HIS righteousness, as written in the beginning chapters of the epistles to the Romans. JESUS has accomplished, only GOD's first Covenant Law's righteous requirements, initially made with HIS redeemed people in the past.
As JESUS lived the requirement of the Old, in order to accomplish them one day, HE prepared and taught the New Covenant learners, building them up, as the new creation people, to excel in spiritual righteousness, in practice as their LORD did.
'Lawlessness' mentioned in the New Covenant is believers failing to listen and pay attention to the teachings of our LORD JESUS CHRIST and HIS called practices of works to all of them, as a faithful truly repent-full people and servants, rooted in truth and are in similar actions, towards one another and to the world to witness, and honoring their MASTER's words, left behind with them, until HE returns to claim HIS one day, which supposedly is according to the 'written spirit and life AGAPE' of the New Covenant Spiritual knowledge.
i understand you and your kind of faith and believes, in the Gospel. That you'll are 'hearers but not doers' in accordance to them.
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, forgive you all and bless you in understanding HIS Covenant, HE makes with all believers.
Be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Sorry, the LORD do not permit me time to waste with 'by-standers', to get the best out of HIM. Sadly, you are only 'hearers and not doers', who have not denied 'self' day by day and that's why the ABILITY to the things of SPIRIT is poor. Please do not make excuse for your 'self' using Romans chapter 7, like i did. Move on to the continuation written on chapter 8, where the requirement of HIS redeemed people to practice.
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, forgive you and bless you.
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, forgive you and bless you.
I do believe the gospel. I believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of my salvation (Romans 1:16).
Water baptism is the picture, not the reality.
The Gospel Message is the Death, Burial and Resurrection OF CHRIST.
In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical.
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 10:43 - To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues (1 Corinthians 12) and magnify God. Then Peter answered, 47 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" *What happened to baptism in verse 43?
Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) who was I that I could withstand God?" When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 15:8,9 - So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?
Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9). *Perfect Harmony*
Salvation by water baptism is not the Gospel message. That is a "different" gospel. What did Peter say in Acts 10:43? ..whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. These Gentiles believed in Him, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues and were saved BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47).
Water baptism pictures a person being buried with Christ (submersion under water) and being raised to new life with Christ (emergence from water). This symbolizes the person's union with, and incorporation into Christ by the action of the Holy Spirit which previously took place when we believed the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13). Water baptism is an outward, physical symbol of the inward, spiritual conversion of Christians. In regards to verses 3-5, the allusion is to the SYMBOLISM of baptism which was the OUTWARD SIGN of the separation. Baptized into water is not the same as being baptized into the body of Christ. Christ is not the water. Water baptism as a picture of death and resurrection symbolizes our likeness to Christ in his death and resurrection. One is the picture or likeness of the other. Water baptism is not the reality but only a picture of the reality. When one says "I pledge allegiance to the flag..," for instance, are they affirming allegiance to the piece of cloth or to what it represents? When Jesus said - "this is my body," when referring to Communion bread, did he mean that the bread was literally that body? If water baptism is truly a condition for salvation, then where does the Bible teach that we are saved by grace through water baptism or that we are justified by water baptism or that whoever is not baptized will not be saved?
You are watering down the Gospel message by "adding" salvation by water baptism to salvation through FAITH. Therefore, you don't truly believe the Gospel. Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16; 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is “imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification” (Romans 4:24,25). Since they received the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that salvation/justification is by FAITH, not by water baptism.
Actually he did not. Those who gladly received his message through repentance/faith were afterwards baptized. Like you, he has bought into the false doctrine of salvation by water baptism, just as others in his church, the church of Christ have, along with people in the Roman Catholic church and the Mormon church as well. There are many who pervert the Gospel of Christ by adding "water and works" to the Gospel. The Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). Are you ready to REPENT and BELIEVE the Gospel or do you insist on trusting in "water and works" as the means of your salvation?
Water baptism is the picture, not the reality.
The Gospel Message is the Death, Burial and Resurrection OF CHRIST.
In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical.
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 10:43 - To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues (1 Corinthians 12) and magnify God. Then Peter answered, 47 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" *What happened to baptism in verse 43?
Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) who was I that I could withstand God?" When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life. *What happened to baptism?
Acts 15:8,9 - So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?
Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9). *Perfect Harmony*
Salvation by water baptism is not the Gospel message. That is a "different" gospel. What did Peter say in Acts 10:43? ..whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. These Gentiles believed in Him, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues and were saved BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47).
Water baptism pictures a person being buried with Christ (submersion under water) and being raised to new life with Christ (emergence from water). This symbolizes the person's union with, and incorporation into Christ by the action of the Holy Spirit which previously took place when we believed the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13). Water baptism is an outward, physical symbol of the inward, spiritual conversion of Christians. In regards to verses 3-5, the allusion is to the SYMBOLISM of baptism which was the OUTWARD SIGN of the separation. Baptized into water is not the same as being baptized into the body of Christ. Christ is not the water. Water baptism as a picture of death and resurrection symbolizes our likeness to Christ in his death and resurrection. One is the picture or likeness of the other. Water baptism is not the reality but only a picture of the reality. When one says "I pledge allegiance to the flag..," for instance, are they affirming allegiance to the piece of cloth or to what it represents? When Jesus said - "this is my body," when referring to Communion bread, did he mean that the bread was literally that body? If water baptism is truly a condition for salvation, then where does the Bible teach that we are saved by grace through water baptism or that we are justified by water baptism or that whoever is not baptized will not be saved?
You are watering down the Gospel message by "adding" salvation by water baptism to salvation through FAITH. Therefore, you don't truly believe the Gospel. Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16; 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is “imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification” (Romans 4:24,25). Since they received the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that salvation/justification is by FAITH, not by water baptism.
Actually he did not. Those who gladly received his message through repentance/faith were afterwards baptized. Like you, he has bought into the false doctrine of salvation by water baptism, just as others in his church, the church of Christ have, along with people in the Roman Catholic church and the Mormon church as well. There are many who pervert the Gospel of Christ by adding "water and works" to the Gospel. The Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). Are you ready to REPENT and BELIEVE the Gospel or do you insist on trusting in "water and works" as the means of your salvation?
The gospel is the power of God unto salvation (don't forget the rest) for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). Not believes in "water and works" but believes in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of their salvation. Again, accepting the gospel is signified, but not procured in baptism. Rejecting the gospel is signified in refusing to be baptized, but the gospel is not salvation by water baptism. There are many people who have been water baptized in various flawed religions who do not believe the gospel by trusting in Christ's finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of their salvation. Instead, they believe in their baptism and other works and their church.
I am not only a hearer of the word but also a doer of the word. Who are you to sit in the seat of judgment and make that judgment call that only God is qualified to make? Do you know me personally? Do you know my heart? Have you witnessed first hand to see whether or not I am a doer of the word? Your definition of faith and what it means to believe the Gospel is unclear and your answer is all over the place. I gave you a clear precise answer.
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dude, I do not know who you think you are. but you do not know me at all. You think I use romans 7 as an excuse? romans 7 is a reality, and those who ignore it are sad indeed.
Rom 7 proves that paul must depend on the spirit to do any work of righteousness to please God. otherwise, he is powerless. that when he tries to do it of his own power. he can not do it. he can only do what he does not want to do. He must depend on romans 8 if he wants to do any good at all. You can not do romans 8, UNLESS you are born of God. trying to work to be born of God is self righteousness, and what scripture call filthy rags
maybe when you eople realise what real sin is, you will see as paul did, until then yiu will judge what you do not know, and be stuck in pride and self righteousness, thinking you are saved, but not knowing God at all.
Rom 7 proves that paul must depend on the spirit to do any work of righteousness to please God. otherwise, he is powerless. that when he tries to do it of his own power. he can not do it. he can only do what he does not want to do. He must depend on romans 8 if he wants to do any good at all. You can not do romans 8, UNLESS you are born of God. trying to work to be born of God is self righteousness, and what scripture call filthy rags
maybe when you eople realise what real sin is, you will see as paul did, until then yiu will judge what you do not know, and be stuck in pride and self righteousness, thinking you are saved, but not knowing God at all.
Eph 2:5 "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) "
You stopped at verse 5, verse 6 says:
Eph 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"
This "raised up" is a reference to having been water baptized, Rom 6:4 "raised up from" and Col 2:12 "risen". Paul contrasts being baptized in verse 6 from the works of merit in verse 9.
You stopped at verse 5, verse 6 says:
Eph 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"
This "raised up" is a reference to having been water baptized, Rom 6:4 "raised up from" and Col 2:12 "risen". Paul contrasts being baptized in verse 6 from the works of merit in verse 9.
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To every one who believes not to every one who believes only.
NT belief includes repentance confession and baptism for remission of sins.
All the belief only in the world will not save an impenitent person
All the belief only in the world will not save one who will not confess Christ
All the belief only in the world will never remit one's sins
The language of Acts 2:41 is showing those that were baptized accepted the gospel and those that rejected being baptized were rejecting the gospel. Since one cannot be saved by rejecting the gospel the implication is he must be baptized to accept the gospel and be saved. Plainly put, as long as one continues to not be baptized he continues to reject the gospel. Acceptance and rejection of the gospel hinges upon being baptized or not
NT belief includes repentance confession and baptism for remission of sins.
All the belief only in the world will not save an impenitent person
All the belief only in the world will not save one who will not confess Christ
All the belief only in the world will never remit one's sins
The language of Acts 2:41 is showing those that were baptized accepted the gospel and those that rejected being baptized were rejecting the gospel. Since one cannot be saved by rejecting the gospel the implication is he must be baptized to accept the gospel and be saved. Plainly put, as long as one continues to not be baptized he continues to reject the gospel. Acceptance and rejection of the gospel hinges upon being baptized or not
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People, like you, that have a shallow understanding of scripture should never try to teach. You have it wrong, wrong, wrong.
You are going to sit here and try to tell us the Holy Spirit indwells a sinner? You obey Christ because you are saved. You cannot get saved, as has been pointed out by others here, by some kind of physical act.
Acts 17:25,25 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things"
You are going to sit here and try to tell us the Holy Spirit indwells a sinner? You obey Christ because you are saved. You cannot get saved, as has been pointed out by others here, by some kind of physical act.
Acts 17:25,25 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things"
Oh, did Paul say to everyone who believes "plus something else" afterwards? Show me that in Romans 1:16 - to everyone who believes AND...
Repentance precedes believing the gospel. "Repent and believe the gospel" and not the other way around. If we don't repent "change our mind" then we won't believe the gospel and become saved. When do you plan to repent and believe the gospel? Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (together) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9 to verse 10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess. Water baptism is done "in regards to/on the basis of" the remission of sins received upon repentance/belief (Acts 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18).
Belief that trusts ONLY in Christ for salvation saves. All the other beliefs in the world will not save a person.
Genuine belief is not without confession (Romans 10:9,10).
Belief that trusts only in Christ for salvation remits sins (Acts 10:43).
They accepted the gospel and then were baptized. Accepting the gospel was signified in baptism. Rejecting the gospel is signified in refusing to be baptized, even though there are plenty of unbelievers who get water baptized today in various flawed religions who don't truly believe the gospel.
One must accept the gospel before he can be baptized. The gospel is not baptized or condemned. The gospel is the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES. Not believes AND.. (Romans 1:16). Water baptism follows repentance/faith/conversion (Acts 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18).
If one accepts the gospel, then why would he refuse to be baptized? I couldn't wait to get baptized after I accepted the gospel, but I believed the gospel BEFORE water baptism. H20 didn't save me, Jesus saved me by grace through faith prior to water baptism.
False. If one accepts the gospel and is unable to get water baptized before death, he still accepted the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of their salvation. There are also those who get water baptized in various flawed religions, who have not accepted the gospel/do not believe the gospel (Romans 1:16). Your faith is in baptism (your water gospel) and NOT exclusively in Christ. Adding works to the gospel perverts the gospel.
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This is not possible for you have the disobedient and unrighteous being saved.
1 Jn 3:10 he that CONTINUES to NOT do righteousness CONTINUES to NOT be of God. One must FIRST obey God then one can be of God.
Many verses put obedience BEFORE salvation, here are just a few:
Jn 3:16
Mk 16:16
Rom 10:,9,10
Rom 6:16-18
Acts 10:35
1 Jn 3:10 he that CONTINUES to NOT do righteousness CONTINUES to NOT be of God. One must FIRST obey God then one can be of God.
Many verses put obedience BEFORE salvation, here are just a few:
Jn 3:16
Mk 16:16
Rom 10:,9,10
Rom 6:16-18
Acts 10:35
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I will not waste time arguing over the impossibility of one repenting BEFORE he believes.
Paul in Rom 6:16-18 put obedience BEFORE justification. Paul taught one must believe repent confess and be baptized to be saved, Rom 10:9,10; ROm 6:3-5; Acts 26:20.
Not only does the context of Acts 2:41 show that rejecting baptism is rejecting the gospel, but the word "believed" in v44 includes being baptized of verse 41. So "believe" in the NT is sometimes used as a synecdoche where it includes repentance confession and baptism. In 1 Pet 3:21 Peter said baptism saves but not baptism alone saves. So baptism is used as a synecdoche where it includes repentance confession and baptism.
Paul in Rom 6:16-18 put obedience BEFORE justification. Paul taught one must believe repent confess and be baptized to be saved, Rom 10:9,10; ROm 6:3-5; Acts 26:20.
Not only does the context of Acts 2:41 show that rejecting baptism is rejecting the gospel, but the word "believed" in v44 includes being baptized of verse 41. So "believe" in the NT is sometimes used as a synecdoche where it includes repentance confession and baptism. In 1 Pet 3:21 Peter said baptism saves but not baptism alone saves. So baptism is used as a synecdoche where it includes repentance confession and baptism.
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One may believe in the existence and historical facts about Christ before he repents, but THAT IS NOT SAVING BELIEF. Since you believe that all belief is the same and is no different than the belief of demons "except for the lack of works" and cannot grasp this DEEPER faith that TRUSTS EXCLUSIVELY IN CHRIST FOR SALVATION you remain confused on this issue.
I have already explained this to you numerous times. How long will you twist the scriptures? You continue to ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stresses "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience that follow faith are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to save themselves by works.
There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."
Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.
Repentance actually precedes saving belief. You reverse the order. To the contrary we find in scripture:
Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel. Not believe the gospel then afterwards repent to become saved.
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Romans 10:9-10, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (together) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9 to verse 10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation .Confess/believe; believe/confess. 1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing that Jesus is Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior. So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead is not unto righteousness and simply reciting the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit from a check list of steps as if they are simply magical words in a formula of salvation by works is not unto salvation.
Water baptism pictures a person being buried with Christ (submersion under water) and being raised to new life with Christ (emergence from water). This symbolizes the person's union with, and incorporation into Christ by the action of the Holy Spirit which previously took place when we believed the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13). Water baptism is an outward, physical symbol of the inward, spiritual conversion of Christians. In regards to verses 3-5, the allusion is to the SYMBOLISM of baptism which was the OUTWARD SIGN of the separation. Baptized into water is not the same as being baptized into the body of Christ. Christ is not the water. Water baptism as a picture of death and resurrection symbolizes our likeness to Christ in his death and resurrection. One is the picture or likeness of the other. Water baptism is not the reality but only a picture of the reality.
Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16; 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is “imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification” (Romans 4:24,25). Since they received the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that salvation/justification is by FAITH, not by water baptism.
False. Believe the gospel and getting baptized afterwards are two distinct things. In Acts 11:17, when Peter was referring to the events that took place in Acts 10:43-47, when did he say they received the Holy Spirit? When they were baptized or WHEN THEY BELIEVED ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. They believed, received the Holy Spirit and were saved BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18) and was referred to as "repentance unto life." You desperately try to "shoe horn" baptism into "believes" in order to make your theology fit, but the shoe does not fit.
No, believe does not include baptism. One believes BEFORE they are baptized. Repentance precedes believing the gospel and the word of faith is in our heart and in our mouth, together. Believes unto righteousness/confession made unto salvation BEFORE water baptism.
So now you are saying that baptism is used as a synecdoche for repentance, confession and baptism, so what happened to belief? You are so mixed up.
1 Peter 3:21 tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He says that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not the part which saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism). We could paraphrase Peter's statement by saying, "Baptism now saves you--not the outward physical ceremony of baptism but the inward spiritual reality which baptism represents." By saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony itself. Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). NOTE: The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY THE WICKED IN NOAH'S DAY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WATER AND THEY ALL PERISHED.
I have already explained this to you numerous times. How long will you twist the scriptures? You continue to ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stresses "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience that follow faith are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to save themselves by works.
There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."
Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.
Repentance actually precedes saving belief. You reverse the order. To the contrary we find in scripture:
Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel. Not believe the gospel then afterwards repent to become saved.
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Romans 10:9-10, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (together) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9 to verse 10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation .Confess/believe; believe/confess. 1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing that Jesus is Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior. So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead is not unto righteousness and simply reciting the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit from a check list of steps as if they are simply magical words in a formula of salvation by works is not unto salvation.
Water baptism pictures a person being buried with Christ (submersion under water) and being raised to new life with Christ (emergence from water). This symbolizes the person's union with, and incorporation into Christ by the action of the Holy Spirit which previously took place when we believed the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13). Water baptism is an outward, physical symbol of the inward, spiritual conversion of Christians. In regards to verses 3-5, the allusion is to the SYMBOLISM of baptism which was the OUTWARD SIGN of the separation. Baptized into water is not the same as being baptized into the body of Christ. Christ is not the water. Water baptism as a picture of death and resurrection symbolizes our likeness to Christ in his death and resurrection. One is the picture or likeness of the other. Water baptism is not the reality but only a picture of the reality.
Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16; 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is “imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification” (Romans 4:24,25). Since they received the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that salvation/justification is by FAITH, not by water baptism.
False. Believe the gospel and getting baptized afterwards are two distinct things. In Acts 11:17, when Peter was referring to the events that took place in Acts 10:43-47, when did he say they received the Holy Spirit? When they were baptized or WHEN THEY BELIEVED ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. They believed, received the Holy Spirit and were saved BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18) and was referred to as "repentance unto life." You desperately try to "shoe horn" baptism into "believes" in order to make your theology fit, but the shoe does not fit.
No, believe does not include baptism. One believes BEFORE they are baptized. Repentance precedes believing the gospel and the word of faith is in our heart and in our mouth, together. Believes unto righteousness/confession made unto salvation BEFORE water baptism.
So now you are saying that baptism is used as a synecdoche for repentance, confession and baptism, so what happened to belief? You are so mixed up.
1 Peter 3:21 tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He says that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not the part which saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism). We could paraphrase Peter's statement by saying, "Baptism now saves you--not the outward physical ceremony of baptism but the inward spiritual reality which baptism represents." By saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony itself. Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). NOTE: The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY THE WICKED IN NOAH'S DAY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WATER AND THEY ALL PERISHED.
One may believe in the existence and historical facts about Christ before he repents, but THAT IS NOT SAVING BELIEF. Since you believe that all belief is the same and is no different than the belief of demons "except for the lack of works" and cannot grasp this DEEPER faith that TRUSTS EXCLUSIVELY IN CHRIST FOR SALVATION you remain confused on this issue.
I have already explained this to you numerous times. How long will you twist the scriptures? You continue to ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stresses "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience that follow faith are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to save themselves by works.
There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."
Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.
Repentance actually precedes saving belief. You reverse the order. To the contrary we find in scripture:
Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel. Not believe the gospel then afterwards repent to become saved.
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Romans 10:9-10, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (together) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9 to verse 10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation .Confess/believe; believe/confess. 1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing that Jesus is Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior. So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead is not unto righteousness and simply reciting the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit from a check list of steps as if they are simply magical words in a formula of salvation by works is not unto salvation.
Water baptism pictures a person being buried with Christ (submersion under water) and being raised to new life with Christ (emergence from water). This symbolizes the person's union with, and incorporation into Christ by the action of the Holy Spirit which previously took place when we believed the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13). Water baptism is an outward, physical symbol of the inward, spiritual conversion of Christians. In regards to verses 3-5, the allusion is to the SYMBOLISM of baptism which was the OUTWARD SIGN of the separation. Baptized into water is not the same as being baptized into the body of Christ. Christ is not the water. Water baptism as a picture of death and resurrection symbolizes our likeness to Christ in his death and resurrection. One is the picture or likeness of the other. Water baptism is not the reality but only a picture of the reality.
Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16; 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is “imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification” (Romans 4:24,25). Since they received the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that salvation/justification is by FAITH, not by water baptism.
False. Believe the gospel and getting baptized afterwards are two distinct things. In Acts 11:17, when Peter was referring to the events that took place in Acts 10:43-47, when did he say they received the Holy Spirit? When they were baptized or WHEN THEY BELIEVED ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. They believed, received the Holy Spirit and were saved BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18) and was referred to as "repentance unto life." You desperately try to "shoe horn" baptism into "believes" in order to make your theology fit, but the shoe does not fit.
No, believe does not include baptism. One believes BEFORE they are baptized. Repentance precedes believing the gospel and the word of faith is in our heart and in our mouth, together. Believes unto righteousness/confession made unto salvation BEFORE water baptism.
So now you are saying that baptism is used as a synecdoche for repentance, confession and baptism, so what happened to belief? You are so mixed up.
1 Peter 3:21 tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He says that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not the part which saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism). We could paraphrase Peter's statement by saying, "Baptism now saves you--not the outward physical ceremony of baptism but the inward spiritual reality which baptism represents." By saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony itself. Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). NOTE: The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY THE WICKED IN NOAH'S DAY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WATER AND THEY ALL PERISHED.
I have already explained this to you numerous times. How long will you twist the scriptures? You continue to ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stresses "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience that follow faith are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to save themselves by works.
There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."
Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.
Repentance actually precedes saving belief. You reverse the order. To the contrary we find in scripture:
Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel. Not believe the gospel then afterwards repent to become saved.
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Romans 10:9-10, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (together) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9 to verse 10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation .Confess/believe; believe/confess. 1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing that Jesus is Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior. So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead is not unto righteousness and simply reciting the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit from a check list of steps as if they are simply magical words in a formula of salvation by works is not unto salvation.
Water baptism pictures a person being buried with Christ (submersion under water) and being raised to new life with Christ (emergence from water). This symbolizes the person's union with, and incorporation into Christ by the action of the Holy Spirit which previously took place when we believed the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13). Water baptism is an outward, physical symbol of the inward, spiritual conversion of Christians. In regards to verses 3-5, the allusion is to the SYMBOLISM of baptism which was the OUTWARD SIGN of the separation. Baptized into water is not the same as being baptized into the body of Christ. Christ is not the water. Water baptism as a picture of death and resurrection symbolizes our likeness to Christ in his death and resurrection. One is the picture or likeness of the other. Water baptism is not the reality but only a picture of the reality.
Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16; 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is “imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification” (Romans 4:24,25). Since they received the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that salvation/justification is by FAITH, not by water baptism.
False. Believe the gospel and getting baptized afterwards are two distinct things. In Acts 11:17, when Peter was referring to the events that took place in Acts 10:43-47, when did he say they received the Holy Spirit? When they were baptized or WHEN THEY BELIEVED ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. They believed, received the Holy Spirit and were saved BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18) and was referred to as "repentance unto life." You desperately try to "shoe horn" baptism into "believes" in order to make your theology fit, but the shoe does not fit.
No, believe does not include baptism. One believes BEFORE they are baptized. Repentance precedes believing the gospel and the word of faith is in our heart and in our mouth, together. Believes unto righteousness/confession made unto salvation BEFORE water baptism.
So now you are saying that baptism is used as a synecdoche for repentance, confession and baptism, so what happened to belief? You are so mixed up.
1 Peter 3:21 tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He says that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not the part which saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism). We could paraphrase Peter's statement by saying, "Baptism now saves you--not the outward physical ceremony of baptism but the inward spiritual reality which baptism represents." By saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony itself. Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). NOTE: The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY THE WICKED IN NOAH'S DAY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WATER AND THEY ALL PERISHED.
You just define "belief only" and affirmed "that is not a saving faith". A simple acknowlegement of facts and nothing more is belief only. The devils acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God, Mk 5:7 but that acknowledgment without obedience will not save them, Lk 6:46; Heb 5:9
Rom 6:17-18, Paul put the order of events:
1) servants of sin
2) obey from the heart
3) then being free from sin
Paul did not say "servants of obedience unto righteousness" in Rom 6:16 that is how you keep rewriting the verse.
" ...obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."
Paul said they obeyed from the heart THEN BEING servants of righteousness. Paul did not call them servants of righteousness until AFTER they first obeyed. Paul said "Ye became" not "ye already were servants of righteousness before you obeyed" That is why John says whosoever CONTINUES to NOT do righteousness CONTINUES to NOT be of God. Therefore it CONTINUES to be biblically impossible for the faith onlyists to make someone righteous who has NEVER done any righteousness.
Any one who says "Repentance actually precedes saving belief" is not in a position to accuse others of twisting scriptures.
An atheist will never repent of his sins.
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You can't see the forest...all those trees are in the way of your vision.
Show me ONE scripture where a person gets baptized BEFORE they get saved. ONE.
You're kidding right? Tell me you're kidding. Just who, in God's green earth, do you suppose DO get saved?
Show me ONE scripture where a person gets baptized BEFORE they get saved. ONE.
You're kidding right? Tell me you're kidding. Just who, in God's green earth, do you suppose DO get saved?
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this is my quote and below is your response in blue...to which I ask ...are you denying scripture....and you respond
so tell me by quoting James and Hebrews ...how am I denying scripture...
Originally Posted by newbirth
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Hebrews 11
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
[SUP]7[/SUP]By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
without faith it is impossible to please him
by faith Noah prepared an ark...
yeah we know. You want to earn your righteousness. And make yourself worthy.
good luck with that!
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Hebrews 11
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
[SUP]7[/SUP]By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
without faith it is impossible to please him
by faith Noah prepared an ark...
yeah we know. You want to earn your righteousness. And make yourself worthy.
good luck with that!
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Saving belief is more than an "intellectual acknowledgement" to the existence and historical facts about Christ. Saving belief trusts exclusively in Christ for salvation (Acts 10:43; 11:17; 16:31) and not in works.
Their acknowledgment is without obedience because they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. The word "believe" can describe mere mental assent belief, as in (James 2:19), or also include "trust and reliance" in Christ for salvation, as in (Acts 16:31). In James 2:19, nobody is questioning the fact that the demons also believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. You have the same kind of belief that demons do and your trust and reliance is in "water and works" and not exclusively in Christ. I believe "mental assent" that George Washington existed and I also believe in the historical facts about George Washington, but I am not trusting in Him to save my soul. See the difference?
1) servants of sin
2) obeyed the gospel by believing the gospel/from the heart believes unto righteousness
3) then set free from sin
I'm not rewriting it. I'm simply reading the ENTIRE verse and putting it together. Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? We are either servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. READ IT ALL!
You then write a blank check with the word "obeyed" and fill in the blank with "water and works." Paul did not imply what you are teaching.
Once again, before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. Not because of water and works, but because they BELIEVED THE GOSPEL.
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness. Let go of your works, put down your shoe horn and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.
I never said they were servants of righteousness before they obeyed by the gospel. They became servants of righteousness when they obeyed the gospel by believing the gospel. You try to place "becoming" servants or righteousness "after" works that follow believing the gospel.
John said the one who practices righteousness is righteous and the one who practices sin is of the devil (1 John 3:7-8). Those who practice righteousness do so BECAUSE they are righteous, not to become righteous. Faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness (Romans 4:5). Those who practice sin do so BECAUSE they are of the devil, not to become of the devil.
I already proved to you from scripture that repentance precedes saving belief, but go ahead and continue to reverse the order and ignore Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15; Acts 20:21 if you so choose.
Tell that to Less Strobel (a former atheist who is now a Christian). Once an atheist becomes convicted that God really does exist and that he is a sinner who is in need of a Savior (Romans 3:23; 6:23), they can certainly repent and believe the gospel. As long as they remain convinced that God does not exist, then why would they repent? Simply believing that God exists does not save. We must repent and believe the gospel.
Their acknowledgment is without obedience because they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. The word "believe" can describe mere mental assent belief, as in (James 2:19), or also include "trust and reliance" in Christ for salvation, as in (Acts 16:31). In James 2:19, nobody is questioning the fact that the demons also believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. You have the same kind of belief that demons do and your trust and reliance is in "water and works" and not exclusively in Christ. I believe "mental assent" that George Washington existed and I also believe in the historical facts about George Washington, but I am not trusting in Him to save my soul. See the difference?
1) servants of sin
2) obeyed the gospel by believing the gospel/from the heart believes unto righteousness
3) then set free from sin
I'm not rewriting it. I'm simply reading the ENTIRE verse and putting it together. Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? We are either servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. READ IT ALL!
You then write a blank check with the word "obeyed" and fill in the blank with "water and works." Paul did not imply what you are teaching.
Once again, before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. Not because of water and works, but because they BELIEVED THE GOSPEL.
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness. Let go of your works, put down your shoe horn and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.
I never said they were servants of righteousness before they obeyed by the gospel. They became servants of righteousness when they obeyed the gospel by believing the gospel. You try to place "becoming" servants or righteousness "after" works that follow believing the gospel.
John said the one who practices righteousness is righteous and the one who practices sin is of the devil (1 John 3:7-8). Those who practice righteousness do so BECAUSE they are righteous, not to become righteous. Faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness (Romans 4:5). Those who practice sin do so BECAUSE they are of the devil, not to become of the devil.
I already proved to you from scripture that repentance precedes saving belief, but go ahead and continue to reverse the order and ignore Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15; Acts 20:21 if you so choose.
Tell that to Less Strobel (a former atheist who is now a Christian). Once an atheist becomes convicted that God really does exist and that he is a sinner who is in need of a Savior (Romans 3:23; 6:23), they can certainly repent and believe the gospel. As long as they remain convinced that God does not exist, then why would they repent? Simply believing that God exists does not save. We must repent and believe the gospel.