Does this verse still hold true

[Hizikyah]

No we should walk in faith and love and keep the commandments of God in the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus...

praise Yah!

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

 

[Hizikyah]

Does this verse still hold true? Or is this "OT" and done away?

Proverbs 15:29, "Yahweh is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous."

 

[Flamingspirit]

Does this verse still hold true? Or is this "OT" and done away?

Proverbs 15:29, "Yahweh is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous."

Again I say yes. If the wages of sin is death and man is appointed to die once, THEN WE WHO DIE ARE THE WICKED!

 

[Brainfreeze]

That is exactly what I see and it drives me to my knees daily.

It's ok, the Messiah died for you, that you may have life and live in Him, through the Holy Spirit... Keeping yourself from the lust of the world is what's important .. and constant prayer to our Father. Dying to yourself and charity to others, will cover a multitude of sins brother..

 

[Hizikyah]

It's ok, the Messiah died for you, that you may have life and live in Him, through the Holy Spirit... Keeping yourself from the lust of the world is what's important .. and constant prayer to our Father. Dying to yourself and charity to others, will cover a multitude of sins brother..

Mattithyah 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

 

[Mitspa]

praise Yah!

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

I have not heard anyone say not to keep any of Gods laws...the only real discussion is, are they kept through the letter ..(the written code) or through the Spirit..(faith working by love) I know in absolute terms that the only way we can keep what the law demanded is to bet set free from the written code and walk in the Spirit in love.

 

[Stephen63]

Does this verse still hold true? Or is this "OT" and done away?

Proverbs 15:29, "Yahweh is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous."

I believe yes, this verses is just as true today as it was the day it was written.

It's not true today. Paul was saying this to sinners.

Acts 17:22 So Paul stood in the midst of the [a]Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects.23 For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, ‘TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.’ Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;28 for in Him we live and move and [b]exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’

 

[Jason0047]

In spite of Paul's clear statements, he was not really saying this...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

present tense

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Oops, how'd that get in there?

Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Again present tense and he continues to show that he is not perfect, that he still sins by doinf what?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Didn't say the Law was not good. The Law of Moses is simply no longer in effect anymore. For the Law was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Why? Well, the Law is not made for a righteous man because there is none righteous except God. For all men have fallen short of the glory of God. Meaning, Jesus Christ is the only man who was also God Almighty in the flesh; Hence, why Jesus was 100% righteous and able to obey and fulfill the Law on our behalf.

"Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;" (1 Timothy 1:5-12).

 

[Hizikyah]

It's not true today. Paul was saying this to sinners.

Acts 17:22 So Paul stood in the midst of the [a]Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects.23 For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, ‘TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.’ Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;28 for in Him we live and move and [b]exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’

Peter does confirm it;

1 Kepha 3:12, "For the eyes of Yahweh are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; but the face of Yahweh is against those who do evil."

Proverbs 15:29, "Yahweh is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous."

 

[Hizikyah]

Didn't say the Law was not good. The Law of Moses is simply no longer in effect anymore. For the Law was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Why? Well, the Law is not made for a righteous man because there is none righteous except God. For all men have fallen short of the glory of God. Meaning, Jesus Christ is the only man who was also God Almighty in the flesh; Hence, why Jesus was 100% righteous and able to obey and fulfill the Law on our behalf.

"Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;" (1 Timothy 1:5-12).

The Messiah doesn't say your a bad guy if you teach and do the Law;

Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

 

[Jason0047]

The Messiah doesn't say your a bad guy if you teach and do the Law;

Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Teach who? The righteous or the unrighteous? One teaches the Law to those who are unregenerate and who cannot stop sinning habitually. One teaches the Law to people so as to get the unbeliever to repent and turn to Jesus Christ. The Law is not made for a righteous man; And the righteous man is one who places their faith in Jesus Christ. For the man who is justified by faith in Jesus Christ is changed spiritually and has God (Christ) living within them; And it is the Lord (Jesus Christ) that does the work within them and keeps them from stumbling. Read Ezekiel 36:26.

Now, this is not easy believism. One has to repent with a broken heart and accept Jesus Christ whole heartedly. Then a person is transformed spiritually by God whereby the Lord gives them understanding when they study His Word and whereby God abides in them so as to keep them from stumbling (If that is what they truly desire). For Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil.

Anyways, there are three ways a person can falsely think about being righteous with God.

#1. "Salvation is Works"
This is a false view of salvation. Folks think they just have to strive to be a good person and try to do lots and lots of good of their own effort to be right with God (Being justified by the Law).

#2. "Salvation is a Mix of Grace + Works."
This is another false view of salvation. Folks think that they accept Jesus Christ and then go back to the false thinking of #1 again (i.e. their old way of thinking as an unbeliever).

#3. "Salvation is Grace and not of Works Unless any man should Boast - It is the Gift of God."
This is the correct view of salvation. The true righteous believer is transformed like a butterfly. They are changed. The caterpillar now has wings to fly (i.e. to allow the Lord to do the good work within them). The true believer recognizes they are not able to keep the Law perfectly their entire lives 100% of the time. They fall short of God's glory. So they need Jesus Christ. Not just in Justification when they first initially accept Him, but they also need Jesus Christ in Sanctification, too. Meaning, if they mess up, they have Jesus and His grace to go to so as to repent and or confess their sin. They have Jesus so as to love others correctly (Which is a fulfillment of the Law). For the true regenerate person will naturally keep the Law. Not so as to be saved, but because they are saved. If a person appeared to have accepted Christ and their is absolutely no change in their life, then they have not truly repented and or accepted Jesus Christ so as to be regenerated. For you make it appear as if salvation is of your own human effort. It is not. It is all Jesus Christ. For Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.

 

[Mitspa]

The Messiah doesn't say your a bad guy if you teach and do the Law;

Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

You do understand that More revelation was given on the purpose of the law and how the law is fulfilled in us now by the Spirit (not the letter) than what was written in Matt. Those who teach the law (written code) of Moses are not teaching people the keep the law...only those who teach grace and love are.

 

[Utah]

It's ok, the Messiah died for you, that you may have life and live in Him, through the Holy Spirit... Keeping yourself from the lust of the world is what's important .. and constant prayer to our Father. Dying to yourself and charity to others, will cover a multitude of sins brother..

With humility and respect I feel moved to say that our sins are covered by Jesus alone; its a done deal. Dying to yourself and charity to others helps spread the Gospel so that others may believe and rejoice, thus bringing the Kingdom of God here to Earth.

 

[Jason0047]

Teach who? The righteous or the unrighteous? One teaches the Law to those who are unregenerate and who cannot stop sinning habitually. One teaches the Law to people so as to get the unbeliever to repent and turn to Jesus Christ. The Law is not made for a righteous man; And the righteous man is one who places their faith in Jesus Christ. For the man who is justified by faith in Jesus Christ is changed spiritually and has God (Christ) living within them; And it is the Lord (Jesus Christ) that does the work within them and keeps them from stumbling. Read Ezekiel 36:26.

Now, this is not easy believism. One has to repent with a broken heart and accept Jesus Christ whole heartedly. Then a person is transformed spiritually by God whereby the Lord gives them understanding when they study His Word and whereby God abides in them so as to keep them from stumbling (If that is what they truly desire). For Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil.

Anyways, there are three ways a person can falsely think about being righteous with God.

#1. "Salvation is Works"
This is a false view of salvation. Folks think they just have to strive to be a good person and try to do lots and lots of good of their own effort to be right with God (Being justified by the Law).

#2. "Salvation is a Mix of Grace + Works."
This is another false view of salvation. Folks think that they accept Jesus Christ and then go back to the false thinking of #1 again (i.e. their old way of thinking as an unbeliever).

#3. "Salvation is Grace and not of Works Unless any man should Boast - It is the Gift of God."
This is the correct view of salvation. The true righteous believer is transformed like a butterfly. They are changed. The caterpillar now has wings to fly (i.e. to allow the Lord to do the good work within them). The true believer recognizes they are not able to keep the Law perfectly their entire lives 100% of the time. They fall short of God's glory. So they need Jesus Christ. Not just in Justification when they first initially accept Him, but they also need Jesus Christ in Sanctification, too. Meaning, if they mess up, they have Jesus and His grace to go to so as to repent and or confess their sin. They have Jesus so as to love others correctly (Which is a fulfillment of the Law). For the true regenerate person will naturally keep the Law. Not so as to be saved, but because they are saved. If a person appeared to have accepted Christ and their is absolutely no change in their life, then they have not truly repented and or accepted Jesus Christ so as to be regenerated. For you make it appear as if salvation is of your own human effort. It is not. It is all Jesus Christ. For Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.

#3 Is the correct view of salvation listed above, of which I should have added in it's own category.

Anyways, I forgot to add the third false view of salvation.


#3 Third False View on Salvation: "Easy Believism with no changed life."
Antinominianism is a false belief. It is the belief that a Christian can abide in horrible unrepentant sin as a way of life and still be saved. These would be sins that lead unto death (1 John 5:16-18), such as murder, theft, lying, hate, lust, drunkenness, idolatry, etc. In fact, Paul says those who do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) (Ephesians 5:5) (Romans 1:32) (Galatians 5:19-21). In other words, one is not born again or changed spiritually if their is no change in their life. A person needs to truly repent with a broken heart and feel sorry about their sin and strive with God's help to never sin again.

 

[Mitspa]

#3 Is the correct view of salvation listed above, of which I should have added in it's own category.

Anyways, I forgot to add the third false view of salvation.


#3 Third False View on Salvation: "Easy Believism with no changed life."
Antinominianism is a false belief. It is the belief that a Christian can abide in horrible unrepentant sin as a way of life and still be saved. These would be sins that lead unto death (1 John 5:16-18), such as murder, theft, lying, hate, lust, drunkenness, idolatry, etc. In fact, Paul says those who do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) (Ephesians 5:5) (Romans 1:32) (Galatians 5:19-21).

No what Paul said was those in the flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God...what many fail to understand is that the flesh can be very religious and keep a lot of outward rules... Paul even told a whole church that they was in the "flesh" ...he did not "unsave" anyone.

 

[Jason0047]

No what Paul said was those in the flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God...what many fail to understand is that the flesh can be very religious and keep a lot of outward rules... Paul even told a whole church that they was in the "flesh" ...he did not "unsave" anyone.

Look. A believer cannot be a mass murderer or rapist or child abuctor or professional thief. You can't be evil and still be saved. If you sin, you need to confess or repent of your sin. Not the type of repentance that Judas had made. A repentance that leads to a changed life. No change. No salvation. For the change is evidence that you have been born again. For God's people are good and not evil.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yet our Lord Jesus said more than once that only those who are obedient to Him by keeping His commandments, doing what He said, and does the will of God will inherit the kingdom of heaven.
And that a hearer only, who only listens to the word but does not follow, not live by it, and those who continue to do their own thing will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Many people want to change our Lord Jesus teachings to some parts not being about salvation, but how can you clearly take when He says if you deny others help you deny Him and get eternal punishment. That if you don't forgive others of their sin, you will not be forgiven of yours as not being about salvation. Unforgiven sins still make you an enemy of God, and you can not inherit heaven as such. How can confession not be a salvation issue, if He clearly says that if you don't confess Him before others but deny Him, He will deny you.
Then like I heard from a fellow brother in Christ yesterday trying to say Jesus when He said the one who endures to the end will be saved, is not talking about salvation. What are we saved from through our Lord, that is spiritual death.
To take away or change what the Lord said is dangerous teaching, and the writer of Hebrews agrees by reiterating what our Lord Jesus said in Matthew 10, Matthew 24, and Mark 13 about enduring to the end to be saved.


Hebrews 10:36
For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.

You must use scripture to interpret scripture, for all of what Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, and John have said have to align and agree with each other, they can not teach different gospels. So when we see here in Hebrews I just gave, it says to receive what is promised. What is promised to us is salvation, but only if we do the will of God in our lives and not do our own thing.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Look. A believer cannot be a mass murderer or rapist or child abuctor or professional thief. You can't be evil and still be saved. If you sin, you need to confess or repent of your sin. Not the type of repentance that Judas had made. A repentance that leads to a changed life. No change. No salvation. For the change is evidence that you have been born again. For God's people are good and not evil.

Matthew 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Exactly, and this is what our Lord Jesus is saying here that your actions have to show that your repentance was true.
If you say you repented of a sin, but continue to do that sin day in and day out it was not a true repentance. To many have watered down repentance to just a change from unbelief to belief. No actions required, but our Lord Jesus makes it clear in several of His teachings that our actions have to match our faith. Hince, James quote of faith without works is dead.
One's faith is not truly in the Lord if their actions do not match.

 

[Mitspa]

Look. A believer cannot be a mass murderer or rapist or child abuctor or professional thief. You can't be evil and still be saved. If you sin, you need to confess or repent of your sin. Not the type of repentance that Judas had made. A repentance that leads to a changed life. No change. No salvation. For the change is evidence that you have been born again. For God's people are good and not evil.

No I don't believe God would allow a true believer to go that far into sin...but what we can see is that some believers filled with the Holy Spirit was going to prostitutes and committing all sorts of sexual sins...for which Paul warned them that the Holy Spirit would destroy the flesh that defiles the temple of God. Now a believer is saved because they have the Holy Spirit and will be judged based on what they have done with the Spirit in their body.

 

[Jason0047]

Matthew 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Exactly, and this is what our Lord Jesus is saying here that your actions have to show that your repentance was true.
If you say you repented of a sin, but continue to do that sin day in and day out it was not a true repentance. To many have watered down repentance to just a change from unbelief to belief. No actions required, but our Lord Jesus makes it clear in several of His teachings that our actions have to match our faith. Hince, James quote of faith without works is dead.
One's faith is not truly in the Lord if their actions do not match.

This is saying they didn't truly repent. John the Baptist is saying that is not true sorrow. True remorse always brings about change. In other words, John is trying to get them to repent for real.

For a truly broken heart will result in regeneration which then results in fruit. Fruit of the Spirit and not the fruit of you.