Does this verse still hold true

[Hizikyah]

No matter what I say, the Messiah is coming back and He is the judge. I know this, I accept this, I even take joy in this, because I know He is fair. I trust His words and I trust He will judge me fairly. If I do not make it, I know it will be a fair decision. If I do make it I know it will be a fair decision;

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

Proverbs 27:5-6, "Open rebuke is better than concealed love. Faithful are the wounds from a friend, but the kisses from an enemy are deceitful."

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Romans 3:21-31
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Brainfreeze]

I agree it can turn people off but;



No matter what I say, the Messiah is coming back and He is the judge. I know this, I accept this, I even take joy in this, because I know He is fair. I trust His words and I trust He will judge me fairly. If I do not make it, I know it will be a fair decision. If I do make it I know it will be a fair decision;



Revelation 19:8, "And to them was granted that they should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white; for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

You worry to much brother Hizi, your doing fine, just win souls .. to repentance and righteousness for YAH

. 30The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, And he who is wise wins souls.

 

[Hizikyah]

You worry to much brother Hizi, your doing fine, just win souls .. to repentance and righteousness for YAH

. 30The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, And he who is wise wins souls.

Thank you.

Makes me think of this, such an amazing verse;


Daniyl 10:12, "Then he said to me; Fear not, Daniyl, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to chasten and humble yourselfbefore your Father, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words."

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahchanan (John) 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."

 

[Chopper]

But who defines what love is? You? Me? A pastor?

...

Yah defines Love, and he IS

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

 

[john832]

Galatians 5:18, "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

If you are lead by the Spirit you will not do anything in oppisition to the Law.

When you are driving as long as you go beloew the speed limit you will have no negative consequence (ticket) while yet having the benefit of being safe because you are driving the proper speed on a particular road.

The Spirit and the Law say the EXACT SAME THING.

this is the next verse:

Galatians 5:19, "For the works of the flesh are obvious, which are these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, Idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, evil jealousies, rage, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies; sects or factions of division, Envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I warn you beforehand, just as I did in times past, that those who practice such things will not einherit the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Every single one of these is forbidden in Yahweh's Law, aka in oppisition to the Spirit and in oppisition to the Law.

Galatians 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering; patience, kindness, righteousness, The Faith; Meekness; gentleness, humility, temperance; self-control--such things are not against any Law."

Every single one of the is promoted and in the Spirit of Yahweh's Law, after all it was the Spirit of Yahweh that gave His Law, how could they possibly be in oppisition? Now do you undersand why Shaul said?, "such things are not against any Law."

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Instructions which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that agives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

Mattithyah 12:31, "Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy against men will be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven to men!"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Hizikyah again.

 

[john832]

Acts 2:1-13


2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Just out of curiosity, why do you suppose they were all together on Pentecost? Why didn't God do this on xmas or Ishtar? They were and continued keeping the Feasts of the Eternal.

 

[Jason0047]

Romans 8 clears it up nicely; but for some reason Ive had many pastors tell me to read Romans 1-7... I wonder why not 8?

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

First, your personal experience is not the Word of God. Second, I have already provided passages in Romans 8 and other places in Scriptures that the Law of Moses is no longer binding for your life.

 

[john832]

John, if you looked at yourself according to the spirit of the law. You would see how truely sinful you are, and how ridiculous your comments are.

the jews tried for 2000 years to follow the law. they failed miserably, because we can not find righteousness by the law. Paul made this clear in romans 7 and 8.

That is exactly what I see and it drives me to my knees daily.

 

[john832]

Can a carnal minded person subject themselves to Yahweh's Law?

Romans 8:8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

The thrust of the matter. Over and over it is stated that men cannot keep God's Law. Why did He give it then?

In actuality, the CARNAL mind cannot keep God's Law, yet Paul was inspired to write this...

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

[john832]

Well first if one has the Holy Spirit? They know the love of God that is shed abroad in their hearts...which is the law written on their hearts...but the bible itself takes great care to explain and define "love" agape...for us...

Lemme see, the Law is written in their hearts but they don't obey it? Is that what you are telling me? That somehow, obedience to the Law is changed into something else?

Keeping the Ten Commandments is not the result of the Law written in your heart?

 

[john832]

A single verse? Its told us over and over that love fulfills all the law...how is that making the law void if I am showing the ONLY way to keep it?

Well, let's see, you tell me that we keep the Law through love yet we don't obey the Ten Commandments?

 

[john832]

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


(Now with Christ)

1 John 2:6 - He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Ephesians 5:8 - For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Galatians 5:16 - [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


So now with Christ, He gifts us the Ra' Hokodesh ( Holy Spirit ) We walk in the light of the Holy Spirit, being renewed and transformed.

This passage is not even talking about the Ten Commandments, it is talking about the Law that was added, the sacrificial Laws.

 

[john832]

Know that you forced my hand on this because you completely ignore all Scripture I post.

That is beautiful if you do... So you follow the Law without reading it, purely spirit led. So you do as it says? "Not take the Name of YHWH in emptiness" "no idols" and that old pesky one "keep the 7th day holy" I know I know in the new age its ok physically break it while keeping it in Spirit... Does that principle work for "do not murder" also? or does that rule only apply for the 4th Commandment?

Do you read the Messiah Instructions?

I find it very interesting that these arguments against the Commandment(s) are never about "Thou shalt not kill." or "Thou shalt not commit adultery." but rather it is always that pesky fourth Commandment that is the problem.

 

[Jason0047]

Romans 3:21-31
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

To clarify for our other readers here who believe we are under the Old Testament Law of Moses: Well, Christians establish the Law not by going back to the Old Testament seeking to rebuild the Temple so as make animal sacrifices again. Nor do Christians seek to just eat clean animals as the Law prescribes. Christians establish the Law in two ways:

#1. "Believing in Jesus Christ by faith is the fulfillment of the Law."
Believers establish the Law of Moses in the fact that they believe in Jesus Christ whereby they establish the Law by faith in Him. If you were to read verse 28, it says we are justified by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW. Meaning when you believe Jesus Christ in failing to measure up to the Law perfectly (like everyone does), then Jesus imputes His righteosness to you (Without the deeds of the Law). For Christ was righteous and kept the Law perfectly on your behalf. If He didn't keep the Law on your behalf, then why do you need Christ if you believe you have to be justified by the deeds of the Law? For do you not know Christ kept the Law for you? Do you not know He has fulfilled the Law? For Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law.

#2. "After Regeneration, A Believer Will Naturally Strive to Keep the New Testament Commands."
Believers in Jesus Christ (Who have studied to show themselves approved unto God), will naturally want to obey the New Testament Commands within His Word because they are saved and because they are changed and because the Spirit of God lives within them. Paul says in Romans 13:8-10 that if you love your neighbor, you have fulfilled the Law. Do not see anything about keeping a certain day holy in that passage (or anywhere else) as a part of loving one's neighbor. For how does your love change for your neighbor if you observe the Sabbath on Saturday versus say Sunday or say.... versus... every day?

 

[john832]

I have studied the law for years...but I am not under the law of Moses...im under the Law of Christ as Paul said "I through the law, died to the law" I am crucified with Christ

If you have studied the Law for years then you certainly know that the voice that Moses and all Israel heard atop Mt. Sinai was that of the One who became Jesus Christ. It was the One who became Christ who led Israel and taught them...

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

And then all of a sudden said "Oops, my bad, sorry about the Law thing, I made a mistake there."? You really think Christ made a mistake with the Ten Commandments?

 

[john832]

I have studied the law for years...but I am not under the law of Moses...im under the Law of Christ as Paul said "I through the law, died to the law" I am crucified with Christ

Ro 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

For a guy who has studied the Law for years, you seem to not know some very basic information...

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The word for end here is...

G5056

τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
Total KJV occurrences: 42

Notice it is used 42 times? Let's look at a few of those times...

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Would you misapply that here and say that is the end of everlasting life? No more everlasting life, it is ended?

Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

The word for custom here is G5056; telos.

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

So now if we end the Commandment (notice it is singular?) then the result is love (charity) out of a pure heart? Lawlessness produces love?

Now this one is a real problem for you misapplication of the word telos...

Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Oh no, the end of Christ?

1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

The end of faith?

The word is used in the sense of the end result, the goal, the outcome, not in the sense of the obliteration of the Law.

 

[john832]

First, the Law of Moses is not composed of just 10 Commandments. There are many other commands given in the Law of Moses; And there are even more Commands in the New Testament. So please stop referring to the 10 Commandments as if they are the only laws in the universe. Only 9 out of the 10 Commandments have been repeated in the New Covenant for us to obey amongst the 1,050 + Commands in the New Testament. Many of the OT Laws have been changed. So the OT Law is no longer binding. For there is no more animal sacrifices. No more Aaronic priesthood. No more eye for an eye. No more just eating clean animals. No more circumcision. No more Saturday Sabbath, because we can worship God every day (See Romans 14).

Second, the Sabbath is not a moral Law and it does not apply to Romans 13:8-10. For how exactly is keeping the Sabbath loving your neighbor? How does that benefit them if you do it on Saturday versus say Sunday?

Keeping the Sabbath is loving God. Did you forget about the first Great Commandment?

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

And it is just as predicted, the real problem is not the Law, it is that pesky fourth one.

 

[john832]

lol I quoted the KJV and end means end... words have meaning.

OK, then, if end means end, please explain this...

Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.