Romans 8:1-2, is conditional

JGIG · Sep 25, 2016

Originally Posted by PeterJens

Here is EG the liar and slanderer.

I come speaking the truth, talking scripture, what the Lord has laid on my
heart, and continually I get a long list of sins I have commited, which I have not.

But then the enemy always attacks the messenger and not the message.

So Jesus tells me, Halleluyah for great is your reward in Heaven.

So rather than tearing down what I have to say, he is pointing to is veracity,
because as his hatred of this message rises so does its impact and reality.

Originally Posted by PeterJens

This is a typical slander. I am being dishonest about what?
Nothing, so I am not being dishonest.

You cannot be dishonest about nothing, you can only dishonest about something.
You guys are not very bright.

D on your heads and go and sit in the corner and stop trying to condemn people
and cause trouble, about a discussion that actually was not your own.

It is like some kind of nutcase group of mockers has arrived to attempt to poke
fun and take a moral high ground not realising they are lying and setting themselves
up to be made a fool of. And this is christian behaviour?

And what is your goal? To make me feel small about something you cannot actually
name. Believe it or not but that is impossible.

Originally Posted by PeterJens

Does Christ come to us with accusation or reality?
Does Christ take our sins and forgive them?

Thanks be to the Lord that He forgives those who believe in His name
and follow Him with a sincere heart.

Now I bear no grudges and forgive sins against me, because I am forgiven
more than you can imagine.

So let us praise the Lord together as brothers and sisters in Christ and
walk in the love Christ has given us, Amen

Let us learn how to forgive the weaknesses of others and bring encouragment
instead of condemnation, lifting up the weak and burdened into the love of Christ.

For our boast is in Christ alone and in His work in our hearts, which is not our
own but His work of grace, Halleluyah.

You bear no grudges against those you call "a nutcase group of mockers" who you tell to "go sit in a corner"?! You insult and abuse your fellow posters and then come back with a platitude of

Originally Posted by PeterJens

So let us praise the Lord together as brothers and sisters in Christ and

walk in the love Christ has given us, Amen

Let us learn how to forgive the weaknesses of others and bring encouragment
instead of condemnation, lifting up the weak and burdened into the love of Christ.

Really?

A smokescreen at best to make you appear loving and conciliatory; an attempt to neutralize the abusive posts you write which give evidence that you actually treat others here with malice and contempt. We see the pattern over and over.

-JGIG

valiant · Sep 25, 2016

know1 said:

That is simply untrue. What about p66, D, A, f1, f13 to name but a few.? You need to get your facts straight.

valiant · Sep 25, 2016

know1 said:

The textus receptus is not a manuscript. ALL of the Greek tests up to 14th century do not agree with it. For example find a Greek text before Erasmus which has in 1 John 5.7.

PeterJens · Sep 25, 2016

My only point to those who do not like my response to abuse towards me
is tame. I am just responding to their description of me.

Now is you just simply quote my words without what I am responding to
it sounds like I am attacking people rather than describing what they
are actually doing.

That is why this whole exchange is a joke, and rather than speaking truthfully
that I am describing what they are doing to me, they want to say I am terrible.

A mocker cannot take a rebuke or wisdom, they just attack the giver.
They have no content or point, so I am disappointed deeply that this is there
superficial attitude. But praise the Lord.

eternally-gratefull · Sep 26, 2016

PeterJens said:

I am sorry, this is ridiculous. Can someone be so proud, that they can not see what is really going on?Or is someone need help?

The lie! Peter said They did not produce the point in question.

Here is the fact.

Gr8grace said:

so here we have four times Peter asked a direct question. What was her point.

Peter kept arguing,, So it was asked again, and the reason why, Because Peter ADMITTED he did not understAND HER POINT.

Gr8grace said:

Peter still refused to answer, and started to instead, mock and attack.

To which grace asked again.

Gr8grace said:

So we see who is being dishonest here..

Peter your gonna keep playing the game, Expect to get called out on it..

He kept asking you BECAUSE YOU REFUSED To ANSWER.

You do not want to be confronted. THEN START BEINGG TRUETHFUL!

miknik5 · Sep 26, 2016

PeterJens said:

Stop. Take a deep breath and remember your "idle words".

I say they are idle words because you voiced them without there being any truth behind them. They were your "yeast" sir...input, additions, opinions, ideas, assumptions, inuendos, suggestions..and they were all directed at one or more of your brothers and sisters...

For what reason, sir?

Initially, (with me) it was because somehow you felt you needed to "feel my heart"...that my (so you assumed) detached way of speaking the WORD of GOD somehow meant I was a recluse, isolated, shy, detached, friendless.

These are words not based on truth, sir.
They were your suggestions.

When one suggests something of another (and it isn't truth) it is considered slander, lies, offenses and offensive...

This is what you have done.

PeterJens · Sep 26, 2016

miknik5 said:

I have spent the day dealing with level of dementia, and come back to this none issue.

I am guilty of responding to interaction and reaching out, and encouraging emotional
expression. These are good things, of the Lord, things of life and love, for the Cross
and reality.

If you want to call it evil that is your affair. I just praise the Lord of the things He
has taught me.

God bless you, and your fellow people who call reaching out with a good heart evil,
may you learn to know how Jesus reached out to us and has called us to reach out
to others, Hallelujah.

PeterJens · Sep 26, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

I am being 100% truthful. It is HG that is not being truthful and yourself.

But then you never see this, only it is your enemies who are driven by hate
and malice, when it is yourself who is projecting this.

But God bless you, and may the Lord give you time and space to know yourself
better before Him and grow in His grace.

PeterJens · Sep 26, 2016

There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

This is a powerful verse, of hope and freedom, of walking in righteousness and victory.
But it is only a verse of acknowledgement by God not man.

I once counselled a person who was going into christian work to escape the non-christian
world that was too agressive. The problem was he could not cope with personal interaction,
and thought the christian world would and was in many worlds better.

And real christian work can be a lot lot worse, because you are not standing on neutral issues,
but sin and righteousness, condemnation of the world and salvation of those who believe.

That could be seen by sinners as pompous, and self righteous, of being better than others, rather
than a statement of finding salvation and living its reality.

So if you meet people who think righteousness is pompous, remember sinners lost in sin think Christ
rules as Lord, rather than Christ rules as a servant to all, meeting our real needs and giving us the
true freedom of love.

psalm6819 · Sep 26, 2016

PeterJens said:

There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

This is a powerful verse, of hope and freedom, of walking in righteousness and victory.
But it is only a verse of acknowledgement by God not man.

I once counselled a person who was going into christian work to escape the non-christian
world that was too agressive. The problem was he could not cope with personal interaction,
and thought the christian world would and was in many worlds better.

And real christian work can be a lot lot worse, because you are not standing on neutral issues,
but sin and righteousness, condemnation of the world and salvation of those who believe.

That could be seen by sinners as pompous, and self righteous, of being better than others, rather
than a statement of finding salvation and living its reality.

So if you meet people who think righteousness is pompous, remember sinners lost in sin think Christ
rules as Lord, rather than Christ rules as a servant to all, meeting our real needs and giving us the
true freedom of love.

My righteousness is rooted in Jesus Christ, I don't think it is pompous.

I'll say this those who think "thier"righteousness is "righteous" are pompous.

why fight His grace?

miknik5 · Sep 26, 2016

PeterJens said:

There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

This is a powerful verse, of hope and freedom, of walking in righteousness and victory.
But it is only a verse of acknowledgement by God not man.

I once counselled a person who was going into christian work to escape the non-christian
world that was too agressive. The problem was he could not cope with personal interaction,
and thought the christian world would and was in many worlds better.

And real christian work can be a lot lot worse, because you are not standing on neutral issues,
but sin and righteousness, condemnation of the world and salvation of those who believe.

That could be seen by sinners as pompous, and self righteous, of being better than others, rather
than a statement of finding salvation and living its reality.

So if you meet people who think righteousness is pompous, remember sinners lost in sin think Christ
rules as Lord, rather than Christ rules as a servant to all, meeting our real needs and giving us the
true freedom of love.

That at is a TRUTHFUL post.

thank you

miknik5 · Sep 26, 2016

PeterJens said:

I have spent the day dealing with level of dementia, and come back to this none issue.

I am guilty of responding to interaction and reaching out, and encouraging emotional
expression. These are good things, of the Lord, things of life and love, for the Cross
and reality.

If you want to call it evil that is your affair. I just praise the Lord of the things He
has taught me.

God bless you, and your fellow people who call reaching out with a good heart evil,
may you learn to know how Jesus reached out to us and has called us to reach out
to others, Hallelujah.

Are you a medical doctor Peter?

Do you deal with people who have dementia?

miknik5 · Sep 26, 2016

But righteousness is wanting the same thing for all men

And the sinner who has found salvation and hope in CHRIST, if they understand pure and holy and unbiased and impartial righteousness, knowing that it is between the man and GOD, he who has received salvation in CHRIST, would point all men to salvation In CHRIST

PeterJens · Sep 27, 2016

miknik5 said:

It is a relative who I provide care for.
One has to be always careful to distinguish between a crisis, ie. an illness or change that
causes perception changes and the underlying illness. We are having a minor crisis at the
moment with a loss of some self awareness and need for support.

It makes you acutely aware how in our natures it is hard to say, I am old, things do not work
quite as well as they did, I need this level of support on this particular issue.

Handle the issues wrong and it is a life and death situation, especially falls.
Get it right, and it is like there are no problems. It is also a very learning experience because
everyone is unique with their variations.

Going around the church a lot of people in their 50's now have support of an elderly relative in this
scenario, and many days can suddenly disappear. It is like you have a child in reverse, but at
a stage of life when one is not quite approaching things with the same verve as before, lol.

It also is more complex because the person is now different than the person you knew before.
Boundaries change, needs change, intervention changes. And accepting outside support is not
as clear cut, and can suddenly become very expensive, without much return.

This is where discussions about what is good or evil, loving or not, become real and less
argumentative. Someone needs food, time, attention, opportunity, entertainment etc.
So when you need to be assertive, to boost there mood, to see opportunity, to bring out the
good, you know when reticence can become falling short, and the blessing of just giving and
sharing, learning to praise the Lord for the blessings of the day.

PeterJens · Sep 27, 2016

psalm6819 said:

"those who think "thier" righteousness is "righteous" are pompous"

pompous are people who think more of themselves than they should.
I will never attack people for being righteous, only for the sin and hypocracy that
can be shown to be there. It is this sin that makes them pompous.

If you attack the "righteous" for being "righteous" you are doing the enemies work
for him because that is what he always does. The book of Job is all about this.
He is only righteous because you bless him etc.

So this post betrays the underlying theme, righteousness is pompous.
That is not Gods message and never has been, but is always been the chant of
non-believers, "you think you are so good"....

It is odd that believers would join this crowd as well and not realise they have changed
sides. Gods message is you need to walk righteously for in that lies life and eternity.
But you walk it by Christs love and the cross and only in communion with Him.
If you do not, you will find as quickly as you succeed you will fail and fall.

So in the walk you know you rely on communion and love, so pride is not an issue, because
if you were proud you would never be walking. But those who do not walk are not aware
of this reality or truth, and put forward the same accusations as Job is full of.

miknik5 · Sep 27, 2016

PeterJens said:

It is a relative who I provide care for.
One has to be always careful to distinguish between a crisis, ie. an illness or change that
causes perception changes and the underlying illness. We are having a minor crisis at the
moment with a loss of some self awareness and need for support.

It makes you acutely aware how in our natures it is hard to say, I am old, things do not work
quite as well as they did, I need this level of support on this particular issue.

Handle the issues wrong and it is a life and death situation, especially falls.
Get it right, and it is like there are no problems. It is also a very learning experience because
everyone is unique with their variations.

Going around the church a lot of people in their 50's now have support of an elderly relative in this
scenario, and many days can suddenly disappear. It is like you have a child in reverse, but at
a stage of life when one is not quite approaching things with the same verve as before, lol.

It also is more complex because the person is now different than the person you knew before.
Boundaries change, needs change, intervention changes. And accepting outside support is not
as clear cut, and can suddenly become very expensive, without much return.

This is where discussions about what is good or evil, loving or not, become real and less
argumentative. Someone needs food, time, attention, opportunity, entertainment etc.
So when you need to be assertive, to boost there mood, to see opportunity, to bring out the
good, you know when reticence can become falling short, and the blessing of just giving and
sharing, learning to praise the Lord for the blessings of the day.

I know . It is so NOT easy.

miknik5 · Sep 27, 2016

PeterJens said:

"those who think "thier" righteousness is "righteous" are pompous"

pompous are people who think more of themselves than they should.
I will never attack people for being righteous, only for the sin and hypocracy that
can be shown to be there. It is this sin that makes them pompous.

If you attack the "righteous" for being "righteous" you are doing the enemies work
for him because that is what he always does. The book of Job is all about this.
He is only righteous because you bless him etc.

So this post betrays the underlying theme, righteousness is pompous.
That is not Gods message and never has been, but is always been the chant of
non-believers, "you think you are so good"....

It is odd that believers would join this crowd as well and not realise they have changed
sides. Gods message is you need to walk righteously for in that lies life and eternity.
But you walk it by Christs love and the cross and only in communion with Him.
If you do not, you will find as quickly as you succeed you will fail and fall.

So in the walk you know you rely on communion and love, so pride is not an issue, because
if you were proud you would never be walking. But those who do not walk are not aware
of this reality or truth, and put forward the same accusations as Job is full of.

Can you reread this posters first sentence?

what is this poster proud in?

PeterJens · Sep 27, 2016

miknik5 said:

I spent a long time thinking about what made the pharisees so proud of their achievements.
The illustration of Jesus was using prayer before the Lord. The pharisees focus was only on
the good, and not realising we are all in failure in one sense or another, and love is not an
achievement, it is a flow of understanding and support. But equally failure or need is not sin,
but some think of these pharisees as flawed in their ability to do the right thing. The flaw was
in totally missing involvement and heart, of being a servant and enjoying communion between
people, the joy of sharing. They also often missed their own sin and hypocracy, so keen to keep
the image over reality in their hearts.

I summarise it there is no surprise in doing the right thing, it is by its nature what one should do.
And in the life there is always more we could or can do. Knowing the limits is as important is knowing
the existance of need. So the focus is on reaching out to others in love, and not on where one is.

And how can one rejoice at finding the way and others being lost. That is like being in a lifeboat and
ignoring others that are drowning. By its nature if you saw people drowning you would want to reach
out and save others as well. The story of the good samaritan highlights this tendency to see sin as
contamination rather than blindness and lostness, not being touched by love in your heart.

But for those who have not found this in Christ, things and people often mean different things.
It is why I found it odd to be called a pharisee, and accused of works as earning salvation.

But then I understand if you miss-understand the failure of the pharisees you will miss-understand
righteousness and love.

miknik5 · Sep 27, 2016

PeterJens said:

But we're not the "LIFE BOAT"
So what we do for others by offering temporal healing is still empty passing secondary works for the one who does not recognize the "LIFE BOAT" and a poor poor unacceptable substitute from the one who claims he does know and recognize the "LIFE BOAT"

what good is it to be in the "LIFE BOAT" yet pull others along and yet withhold from them the knowledge that they should also be in the "LIFE BOAT" alongside us?

How righteous is that?
to offer your own construct but not offer THE TRUE and NECESSARY CINSTRUCT?

Is that really loving your neighbor as your own soul?

reneweddaybyday · Sep 27, 2016

PeterJens said:

When we took care of my father, dehydration was the big no. 1 problem. He would forget to drink. We kept lots of water nearby and encouraged my dad to drink whenever we walked in the room, or sat with him. Even when we reminded him and he would say yeah he was thirsty he would then forget to drink. We had to pick up the glass and put the straw in his mouth. So remember keep your loved one well hydrated.

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