"replacement theology" - what is it?

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really?

what did YOU do for Christ to die for you?

how come He forgave YOUR sins?

was it because you were so good or was it because He said He would send His Son?

you have such a twisted view of scripture, that unless YOU turn from it, you will slip further and further away from what it really says

you seem to hate Jews..do you hate Jews?

do you really hate what and who God loves?

listen, He is giving you a break here...but that, like everything else, will also come to term

while you are saying there is no more prophecy to be fulfilled, he will fullfil before your eyes and you will be confused because it is not what YOU believe

thankfully, we believe in the gospel...not preterism

you are not defending scripture...you are defending preterism

that, is all that needs to be said concerning your beliefs...once a person understands what preterism is, there is not need to defend anything

it is preterism that is being preached here by you and the other one...that's all it is

no one has to prove anything to you...you are simply defending your own beliefs...unbiblical and not supported by anything but altered timelines, cherry picked verses and some real artful twisting of scripture and when that has fermented, you add the cherry on top and state that most of scripture is allegorical

you are just a dust cloud trying to settle down on someone to snuff out the light
What does thiis have to do with the question I asked?
 
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What does thiis have to do with the question I asked?
you are defending preterism

what does preterism have to do with the Bible?

do you hate Jews?

are you going to apologize to Kayla?

you NEVER answer what illustrates your errors and you NEVER apologize to anyone

so no one owes you any answers buddy

I am going to put you on ignore now...someone who is incapable of admitting they are wrong...someone who ignores all questions put to him that he cannot answer without refuting his own beliefs....does not need to be 'heard'

you just make noise
 
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glad you posted this...it wasn't the UN

KJV1611 just goes through the forum swinging his misinformation club and posting things that are absolutely WRONG!

yet he thinks they are true

and he will be insulted if you tell him that alone is fulfilled prophecy and the other one will insert a mocking laugh or something

you have a couple of preterists defending preterism

that's about it
You're so funny... funny but uniformed BIG TIME!

Read the full article here: https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952

Throughout 1947, the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine examined the Palestinian question and recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.



Read the full article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

The Rothschild family archives show that during the 1870s the family contributed nearly 500,000 francs per year on behalf of Eastern Jewry to the Alliance Israélite Universelle.[SUP][44][/SUP] Baron Edmond James de Rothschild, youngest son of James Jacob de Rothschild, was a patron of the first settlement in Palestine at Rishon-LeZion, and bought from Ottoman landlords parts of the land which now makes up present-day Israel. In 1924, he established the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association (PICA), which acquired more than 125,000 acres (50,586 ha) of land and set up business ventures.[SUP][45][/SUP]

In
Tel Aviv, the Rothschild Boulevard is named after him, as are a number of localities throughout Israel which he assisted in founding, including Metulla, Zikhron Ya'akov, Rishon Lezion and Rosh Pina. A park in Boulogne-Billancourt, Paris, the Parc Edmond de Rothschild (Edmond de Rothschild Park), is also named after its founder.[SUP][46][/SUP] The Rothschilds also played a significant part in the funding of Israel's governmental infrastructure. James A. de Rothschild financed the Knesset building as a gift to the State of Israel[SUP][47][/SUP] and the Supreme Court of Israel building was donated to Israel by Dorothy de Rothschild.[SUP][48][/SUP] Outside the President's Chamber is displayed the letter Mrs. Rothschild wrote to the then current Prime Minister Shimon Peres expressing her intention to donate a new building for the Supreme Court.[SUP][49]

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you are defending preterism

what does preterism have to do with the Bible?

do you hate Jews?

are you going to apologize to Kayla?

you NEVER answer what illustrates your errors and you NEVER apologize to anyone

so no one owes you any answers buddy

I am going to put you on ignore now...someone who is incapable of admitting they are wrong...someone who ignores all questions put to him that he cannot answer without refuting his own beliefs....does not need to be 'heard'

you just make noise
Appologize to Kayla for what????
 
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I will ask you Zionist the question one more time... when did those people in Israel today repent and seek God's face?
 
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To all you Zionist: When did the Jews in Israel right now repent and seek God's face?

BLINDED Romans 11 Blinded until the Gentiles come in. sigh
 
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Facts? It's right in our faces. Name a major bank that's not owned by the Jews. Name a major television news orginazation that's not owned by the Jews. Name a major recording label that's not owned by the Jews.

US government Jews are found here - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicianshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians

Jews in Barak Hussein's cabinet found here - The Library | Jewish Virtual Library

List of major American Jewish corporations found here - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_businesspeople

Gosh,you'd almost think the Jews,which don't exist, were blessed er sumthin
 

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You need to figure out what all Israel means. It DOES NOT mean flesh descendants of Israel.
Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

Israel - the nation.
Gentiles - all the other nations.

Israel - a partial hardening
Gentiles - a full number will be saved.

In this way, all Israel will be saved. All Israel, the nation.


The deliverer - Jesus from Zion He will turn godlessness away from Jacob (Israel)

And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sin. God's going to take away Israel's sin through the new covenant as a nation in the end of days.

As far as the gospel is concerned, they Israel are enemies for your (believers) sake.
As far as election is concerned, they Israel the nation are loved on account of the patriarchs because God's gifts and His calling is irrevocable. So today they are enemies of the gospel, but also today God loves His nation Israel.

​One reason KJV, I asked you to read Ezekiel is because God goes into detail about the nation of Israel. Maybe thats why you don't want to discuss Israel the nation in reference to Ezekiel.

Also, your interpretation is backwards. The first covenant came first, then the second. We interpret the new through the old, not vice-versa.

It's very difficult to discuss the bible with you because you want to change literal passages into spiritual Israel. It just doesn't work.

In the prophets it talks about the Jewish nation and what God's going to do with her in the last of the last days. There will be a time when all the nations surrounding her and then some will come against Israel. Out of their number 2/3rds will die and 1/3 will be saved from death. The 1/3, they are the ALL ISRAEL. The 1/3 will confess their sins, they will return to their God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They are the bones that come back alive when God puts His Spirit within them. He will be their God, and they will be His people. What a day of rejoicing that will be when Israel as a nation returns to her God. We all need to rejoice because God is a promise-keeping God. And ever faithful What He promises He brings to pass. So it means that all his promises to us are yeah and amen as well. How could we trust a God that doesn't keep His promises to Israel.

I grieve that every time I read your posts, you change the reading of Israel, the nation to be the spiritual Israel. Why do you do that? Do you hate Israel that much? I think that I would tread carefully and ask God to open your eyes to the truth because you may just be fighting Him without realizing it. Please, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying anything negative about where you are at in your faith. I don't know you at all and can't know your heart. Only the Lord knows that, but I can judge your words. Many of your words are not scripture.
 
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You're so funny... funny but uniformed BIG TIME!

Read the full article here: https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952

Throughout 1947, the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine examined the Palestinian question and recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.



Read the full article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

The Rothschild family archives show that during the 1870s the family contributed nearly 500,000 francs per year on behalf of Eastern Jewry to the Alliance Israélite Universelle.[SUP][44][/SUP] Baron Edmond James de Rothschild, youngest son of James Jacob de Rothschild, was a patron of the first settlement in Palestine at Rishon-LeZion, and bought from Ottoman landlords parts of the land which now makes up present-day Israel. In 1924, he established the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association (PICA), which acquired more than 125,000 acres (50,586 ha) of land and set up business ventures.[SUP][45][/SUP]

In
Tel Aviv, the Rothschild Boulevard is named after him, as are a number of localities throughout Israel which he assisted in founding, including Metulla, Zikhron Ya'akov, Rishon Lezion and Rosh Pina. A park in Boulogne-Billancourt, Paris, the Parc Edmond de Rothschild (Edmond de Rothschild Park), is also named after its founder.[SUP][46][/SUP] The Rothschilds also played a significant part in the funding of Israel's governmental infrastructure. James A. de Rothschild financed the Knesset building as a gift to the State of Israel[SUP][47][/SUP] and the Supreme Court of Israel building was donated to Israel by Dorothy de Rothschild.[SUP][48][/SUP] Outside the President's Chamber is displayed the letter Mrs. Rothschild wrote to the then current Prime Minister Shimon Peres expressing her intention to donate a new building for the Supreme Court.[SUP][49]

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Rothchilds "eyeroll" here we go. Now this belongs in the conspiracy forum smh here we go. The league of nations and all the countries under it agreed to give Israel the land. When the ARABS,not the Palestinians, were offered land they rejected it out of hand because they refused to have a land beside Jews. They don't get the right to turn around now and crap and complain about not having land. Palestine has never been a sovereign nation therefore Israel cannot occupy it.
 
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Appologize to Kayla for what????
Apparently
you're forgetful. You agreed to a post saying the UN created Israel. My post proved it did not. Dont worry Im not holding my breath for an apology.
 
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Actually in the time of CHrist they were, All 12 tribes were represented in Judah, which is why they are called jews..

However, the northern kingdom (Israel) has not been a nation since Assyria destroyed them.. And will not be a nation again until Ezek 37 is fulfilled, and roma 11 is fulfilled.
I agree with some of your thinking but one further point to consider is that Yeshua said He only came for the lost sheep of Israel... I know why I am Israel because He came for me two :)
 

Ahwatukee

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I agree with some of your thinking but one further point to consider is that Yeshua said He only came for the lost sheep of Israel... I know why I am Israel because He came for me two :)
Good evening Gandalf,

While it is true that Jesus said the above, he also said the following:

"I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."

The other sheep are Gentiles. Therefore, Yeshua went to the lost sheep of Israel first, but he also came for Gentile believers, which is why he sent Paul out.

Just FYI ......
:)
 
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Good evening Gandalf,

While it is true that Jesus said the above, he also said the following:

"I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."

The other sheep are Gentiles. Therefore, Yeshua went to the lost sheep of Israel first, but he also came for Gentile believers, which is why he sent Paul out.

Just FYI ......
:)
Thank you Brother :) If I read John 10 it looks as if Jesus was addressing the Pharisees (Jews :) ).
 
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To all you Zionist: When did the Jews in Israel right now repent and seek God's face?
Who says they have yet? This is why God has established the Time of Jacob's Trouble for after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Sure you bring up Zionism. I believe that God has established the borders of Israel exactly as stated in the bible. It shall finally be returned to them later, but it is still their land. Am I a zionist?

Or you bring up your opinion that the Jews control the US. Sure there are a few bad eggs who are Jewish who do have power. Why are you attributing the error of these men as a characteristic of all Jewish people? Tread carefully.
 
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Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

Israel - the nation.
Gentiles - all the other nations.

Israel - a partial hardening
Gentiles - a full number will be saved.

In this way, all Israel will be saved. All Israel, the nation.


The deliverer - Jesus from Zion He will turn godlessness away from Jacob (Israel)

And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sin. God's going to take away Israel's sin through the new covenant as a nation in the end of days.

As far as the gospel is concerned, they Israel are enemies for your (believers) sake.
As far as election is concerned, they Israel the nation are loved on account of the patriarchs because God's gifts and His calling is irrevocable. So today they are enemies of the gospel, but also today God loves His nation Israel.

​One reason KJV, I asked you to read Ezekiel is because God goes into detail about the nation of Israel. Maybe thats why you don't want to discuss Israel the nation in reference to Ezekiel.

Also, your interpretation is backwards. The first covenant came first, then the second. We interpret the new through the old, not vice-versa.

It's very difficult to discuss the bible with you because you want to change literal passages into spiritual Israel. It just doesn't work.

In the prophets it talks about the Jewish nation and what God's going to do with her in the last of the last days. There will be a time when all the nations surrounding her and then some will come against Israel. Out of their number 2/3rds will die and 1/3 will be saved from death. The 1/3, they are the ALL ISRAEL. The 1/3 will confess their sins, they will return to their God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They are the bones that come back alive when God puts His Spirit within them. He will be their God, and they will be His people. What a day of rejoicing that will be when Israel as a nation returns to her God. We all need to rejoice because God is a promise-keeping God. And ever faithful What He promises He brings to pass. So it means that all his promises to us are yeah and amen as well. How could we trust a God that doesn't keep His promises to Israel.

I grieve that every time I read your posts, you change the reading of Israel, the nation to be the spiritual Israel. Why do you do that? Do you hate Israel that much? I think that I would tread carefully and ask God to open your eyes to the truth because you may just be fighting Him without realizing it. Please, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying anything negative about where you are at in your faith. I don't know you at all and can't know your heart. Only the Lord knows that, but I can judge your words. Many of your words are not scripture.
Did you know that Abraham was a father of many nations? Those nations are Arabs, Jews and Children of the promise?

Did you know that a child of the promise is a LITERAL child of Abraham?
Did you know that Paul being a JEW was a child of the promise?
Did you know that you being a GENTILE are a child of the promise?

Did you know that some people are both PHYSICAL children of Abraham and CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE?
Did you know that Isaac was CHOSEN because he was a CHILD OF THE PROMISE and that HE WAS NOT chosen because he was a PHYSICAL child of Abraham?

Did you know that ALL Israel, all of the CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE both JEWS and GENTILES will be saved?
Did you know that when the children of Israel are mentioned in the bible it isn't alway referring to the FLESH children, MOST of the time it is referring to the children of the PROMISE?

If you don't understand those facts then you DONT understand Ezekiel.
 
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Who says they have yet? This is why God has established the Time of Jacob's Trouble for after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Sure you bring up Zionism. I believe that God has established the borders of Israel exactly as stated in the bible. It shall finally be returned to them later, but it is still their land. Am I a zionist?

Or you bring up your opinion that the Jews control the US. Sure there are a few bad eggs who are Jewish who do have power. Why are you attributing the error of these men as a characteristic of all Jewish people? Tread carefully.
God doesn't violate his word EVER, there are not "special" exceptions. The covenant with the physical children of Israel was - walk before God, keep his commandments ALL of them or get out of the land. Do you not know this?

What you are attempting to do is follow a man made theology by having unrpented Israel coming back in the land for a time of Jacob's of which happened in AD 70 when God wiped them out and gave the kingdom to the gentiles.
 
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you're forgetful. You agreed to a post saying the UN created Israel. My post proved it did not. Dont worry Im not holding my breath for an apology.
Semantics Kayla. Zionism was the driving force behind the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948. The British found themselves in a mess they couldn't resolve and turned it over to the U.N. The U.N. voted in favour of the Zionist movement's "right" to the establishment of their own nation where Israel exists today. Your argument precludes the conclusion that the end justifies the means, that being the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and properties. Without the approval and the sanctioning of the U.N. in 1947, the Zionists of that day would have faced the opposition of major powers such as the U.S., the U.S.S.R., Britain, France etc. etc. ... so yes, the U.N. mandate was vital to the Zionist movements progression to the establishment of their nation. The question to be answered is; Was this a biblical fulfillment of prophecy ? This is the area where dispensationalists and non-dispensationalists cannot agree.
 

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God doesn't violate his word EVER, there are not "special" exceptions. The covenant with the physical children of Israel was - walk before God, keep his commandments ALL of them or get out of the land. Do you not know this?

What you are attempting to do is follow a man made theology by having unrpented Israel coming back in the land for a time of Jacob's of which happened in AD 70 when God wiped them out and gave the kingdom to the gentiles.
Geneva Study Bible
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the {a} fruits thereof.

(a) They bring forth the fruits of the kingdom of God, who bring forth the fruit of the Spirit, and not of the flesh, Ga 5:16-26.
 
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Semantics Kayla. Zionism was the driving force behind the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948. The British found themselves in a mess they couldn't resolve and turned it over to the U.N. The U.N. voted in favour of the Zionist movement's "right" to the establishment of their own nation where Israel exists today. Your argument precludes the conclusion that the end justifies the means, that being the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and properties. Without the approval and the sanctioning of the U.N. in 1947, the Zionists of that day would have faced the opposition of major powers such as the U.S., the U.S.S.R., Britain, France etc. etc. ... so yes, the U.N. mandate was vital to the Zionist movements progression to the establishment of their nation. The question to be answered is; Was this a biblical fulfillment of prophecy ? This is the area where dispensationalists and non-dispensationalists cannot agree.
Quote"The British found themselves in a mess they couldn't resolve and turned it over to the U.N."

No, this is not true.Please read what I posted,skim it if its too long. The League of Nations,all the countries under it,signed for the creation of Israel. The UNs job was only to uphold what the League of Nations had already created,already signed and agreed to.The UN has no right to change that original agreement.
 
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God doesn't violate his word EVER, there are not "special" exceptions. The covenant with the physical children of Israel was - walk before God, keep his commandments ALL of them or get out of the land. Do you not know this?

What you are attempting to do is follow a man made theology by having unrpented Israel coming back in the land for a time of Jacob's of which happened in AD 70 when God wiped them out and gave the kingdom to the gentiles.


Quote"God doesn't violate his word EVER"

Well theres one thing we can agree on.