Romans 6 reveals majestic glory that I once heavily overlooked. We are blessed.

[mj007]

SpiritLed, turn the other cheek.

What we are dealing with here is pride to a great degree, and yes they will accuse you of that. Each time you have to defend yourself, you feed their pride.

You have your own thoughts, your own perspective, and as a human being you are allowed to express that. As long as it isn't toxic or poisonous. People who want to listen can listen, those who don't, do not have to listen. But then there are those people who want to exercise their own pride, and they do not see it in themselves that this is what they do.

As for you in what you are saying, I don't sense pride. It's just a perspective you have. And perhaps for you it's more troublesome than you actually getting satisfaction from it, a frustration. And if people think you are misguided, I certainly have not seen an ounce of love in response to trying to correct you.

So turn the other cheek.

Pride: a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of one's close associates, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

And like a lions pride, these people often group together and support each other's view against someone.

So for those of you here who have reacted, and get some satisfaction from it? That is pride. Jimbo43 oozes pride, because he makes it plain to see with his sarcastic nature, that he gets satisfaction from trying to correct, or trying to distort (I observed earlier in the thread).

You could say you have decided to believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and that makes you happy. Should I correct you? You are not saying you are going to worship the devil. That would be toxic and poisonous. Some people really enjoy having someone to point the finger at.

Ego is a sinful creature. Edge-God-Out is what it is.

 

[Grace777x70]

mj007 - have you ever sinned after becoming a Christian? Will you say that you will never sin again?

You do realize if you do sin again - some ( the sinless perfection in the flesh believers ) will say that you are not a son of God and instead you are a child of the devil and you are not really born-again and you will spend eternity in hell.

How is your faith built up now? This is the damage that this false doctrine has on new believers in Christ.

James says that we all stumble in many ways.


Thank God for the gospel of the grace of Christ that doesn't condemn us but instead this very same grace that doesn't condemn us also "teaches" us how to live godly in this present world. Titus 2:11-12

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to transform us as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

 

[PennEd]

Youre kidding me, right? I told everybody I have ceased from sinning and will never sin again, because I have ceased from sinning. You are all angry and arguing with me trying to prove it false saying that believers still sin. Are you being serious? Wow.

Alrighty then! I think I've had my fill of this tortured, pride FULL person.

HE accused me of saying something I didn't. His massive pride, with him firmly encrusted on the throne of his life, isn't capable of admitting wrongdoing and lies about another person.

Then he tries the classical flip that I am angry and not him, finishing off with taking his ball and going home! I truly, and honestly pray the Lord can break that incredibly hard heart.

Cameron. If that happens, and you want to talk, imperfect brother to imperfect brother, know that I forgive you! No sarcasm even slightly intended.

 

[zone]

...It is this area I am interested in exploring, how you bear one anothers weaknesses and see Gods
love flowing out of ones heart to others around you.

and I have noticed some softening of rhetoric, peter, which is good.....but softer Law is still Law.
if you can't preach the Gospel with the Law you ought not teach

 

[SpiritLed]

Alrighty then! I think I've had my fill of this tortured, pride FULL person.

HE accused me of saying something I didn't. His massive pride, with him firmly encrusted on the throne of his life, isn't capable of admitting wrongdoing and lies about another person.

Then he tries the classical flip that I am angry and not him, finishing off with taking his ball and going home! I truly, and honestly pray the Lord can break that incredibly hard heart.

Cameron. If that happens, and you want to talk, imperfect brother to imperfect brother, know that I forgive you! No sarcasm even slightly intended.

Penn, the reason you are arguing with me is because I declared to have ceased from sinning, and that I will never sin again. This is the very thing you're arguing with me about.That's the very thing I accused you of. I will never sin again. What do you have to say about ythat?

 

[OneFaith]

The old man is dead, but we have to die to ourselves daily and carry our cross daily in order to keep him dead.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Saints are branches that abide in the Vine, sinners do not.

And branches that abide in the Vine are continuously cleansed by the Father (the Vinedresser):

John 15:

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 … every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.


the word “purgeth” means to cleanse.

If the believer that abides in the Vine is cleansed only at the point he/she is born again, and does not need ongoing, daily cleansing, why does Father continue to cleanse so that the branch can bring forth more fruit???

Grace is what transformed me from a sinner to a saint IN THIS WORLD, HERE, by faith in Him, His righteousness, asking for His Spirit, and being posessed by Him. He lives, I dont. The hope of Glory: Christ in me. Collosians 2:27.

Again, you use past tense as if grace no longer continues to transform during the whole of your life.

Yes, when you were born again you experienced that grace which transformed you from sinner to son of God. But grace continues to work within the born again one during the whole of his/her life. Cleansing what needs cleansing because we live in this world. God continues to wipe us clean as we live in the muck and mire of this world.

 

[PeterJens]

WHAT HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED?

Being able to love people as they are.
It is sometimes hard to love people who hurt one, and intention is to cause
trouble.

 

[Grace777x70]

The old man is dead, but we have to die to ourselves daily and carry our cross daily in order to keep him dead.

....does Jesus have to die daily? We have died ( the old man that used to be us ) the same way that Jesus died. Trying to keep the old man dead is foolishness. He is dead. Are you trying to keep Jesus dead?

Romans 6:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5[/SUP] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,

[SUP]6 [/SUP] knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Penn, the reason you are arguing with me is because I declared to have ceased from sinning, and that I will never sin again. This is the very thing you're arguing with me about.That's the very thing I accused you of. I will never sin again. What do you have to say about ythat?

Penn offered a heartfelt olive branch to you at post #203:

Cameron. If that happens, and you want to talk, imperfect brother to imperfect brother, know that I forgive you! No sarcasm even slightly intended.

SpiritLed, if you ever find yourself having stumbled and you remember the conversation you have had on this thread (that you have ceased from sinning and will never sin again, because [you] have ceased from sinning), please know that some of us have been where you are, only to find ourselves to have stumbled (sinned). I pray you never do stumble (sin). but if you do, you're going to have to re-think your understanding of 1 John 3:8. Believers do stumble and sin every now and again, but that does not mean they are "of the devil".


So you're just going to have to ask God for a little more wisdom concerning that verse. And we know from James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.. But you need to ask in faith, otherwise, you'll not receive anything of the Lord (James 1:7).

 

[PeterJens]

and I have noticed some softening of rhetoric, peter, which is good.....but softer Law is still Law.
if you can't preach the Gospel with the Law you ought not teach

This is an interesting dilemma.
We are not under the law, but we are under the law of Christ.
Now this sounds confusing, but before Christ to be obedient to God you had to become a Jew.
You had to obey all the sacrificial rules and the moral law.

Now under Christ we are free from the law, but we are still under the law of Christ or moral
law, which we fulfill by loving our neighbour.

Now our acceptability to God is through faith in Christ, but we show our faith in Christ by
loving our neighbours and our enemies so we are no longer under condemnation.

Now Paul is saying because of Christ we are dead to the law of Moses, which is true, but
this does not mean we can sin. It means how we define sin has changed, from a strict
moral set of rules to something more akin to a relationship. And our justification has always
been through Christs work, which brings us into a righteous walk with Christ.

 

[mj007]

reneweddaybyday thanks for your comments and responses, this is how they should be put. To me you are an example of a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith put together, before you write. You see the truth but you know that condemning it or judging it is not Gods way, because we ourselves are not perfect. Humility in how we respond and is what is important. Some might take scripture and wrap it round their response, like testing people. To me it's kind of like baiting people, luring them into a trap you set so you can respond to what you knew they would say if they fell in. I see more of it here, than on non-Christian social media. Anyway I hear your words, thank you. I have much to learn, but it is grace that teaches me, because when Jesus is in someone I can hear it, and it makes me sad when I don't see Jesus around here, but lots of people thinking God loves what they say. And this is pride.

If something causes conflict then God can bring grace to it. Things don't have to turn into a pit, people don't have to be exaggerated by others. One thing I find so intoxicating and ungodly online, whether here or on any social platform is when ego and pride overrule peoples need for response, rather than God, rather than love for your neighbours. God is Love, and I really try my hardest to hold on to that before I speak, and also in my discernment of people that lure me to respond.

 

[Utah]

We have NOT gotten to the heart of the matter.

Your definition of being "saved" is twisted and demonic. A person that is saved is someone who has DENIED THEMSELVES, RECIEVES JESUS, AND ENDURES UNTIL THE END.

Your idea of being saved is the reason for hypocrisy in the churches. Your idea of being "saved" is what seriously allows a so-called "believer" to shoot someone, think in their mind that it's okay because the work is finished on the cross and Jesus died to pay for this, and then shoot themselves with a smile on their face expecting to see heaven after the bullet passes through their skull.

You seriously do not w

A believer wouldn't smile after shooting someone. On another note, how come we don't see the existence of congregations with nothing but sinless congregants attending? Surely they would be thumping their collective chests with pride in a very outspoken manner and throwing out anyone who was guilty of even the slightest sin. Answer that.

 

[Utah]

Go drink some poison on purpose and report back to us. While you are there - grab ahold of a cobra and let it bite you a few times. We'll see you in heaven my friend.

You make the wrong "application" to the verse you are mentioning and the reality of this error will become readily apparent to all.

He doesn't have faith enough to do it.

 

[JIMBO43]

Originally Posted by SpiritLed

We have NOT gotten to the heart of the matter.

Your definition of being "saved" is twisted and demonic. A person that is saved is someone who has DENIED THEMSELVES, RECIEVES JESUS, AND ENDURES UNTIL THE END.

Your idea of being saved is the reason for hypocrisy in the churches. Your idea of being "saved" is what seriously allows a so-called "believer" to shoot someone, think in their mind that it's okay because the work is finished on the cross and Jesus died to pay for this, and then shoot themselves with a smile on their face expecting to see heaven after the bullet passes through their skull.

You seriously do not w

A believer wouldn't smile after shooting someone. On another note, how come we don't see the existence of congregations with nothing but sinless congregants attending? Surely they would be thumping their collective chests with pride in a very outspoken manner and throwing out anyone who was guilty of even the slightest sin. Answer that.

I just think hes enjoying condeming everyone right sad if you ask me it just goes on and on with him since he joined.. its getting pretty distaseful

 

[Utah]

SpiritLed, turn the other cheek.

What we are dealing with here is pride to a great degree, and yes they will accuse you of that. Each time you have to defend yourself, you feed their pride.

You have your own thoughts, your own perspective, and as a human being you are allowed to express that. As long as it isn't toxic or poisonous. People who want to listen can listen, those who don't, do not have to listen. But then there are those people who want to exercise their own pride, and they do not see it in themselves that this is what they do.

As for you in what you are saying, I don't sense pride. It's just a perspective you have. And perhaps for you it's more troublesome than you actually getting satisfaction from it, a frustration. And if people think you are misguided, I certainly have not seen an ounce of love in response to trying to correct you.

So turn the other cheek.

Pride: a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of one's close associates, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

And like a lions pride, these people often group together and support each other's view against someone.

So for those of you here who have reacted, and get some satisfaction from it? That is pride. Jimbo43 oozes pride, because he makes it plain to see with his sarcastic nature, that he gets satisfaction from trying to correct, or trying to distort (I observed earlier in the thread).

You could say you have decided to believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and that makes you happy. Should I correct you? You are not saying you are going to worship the devil. That would be toxic and poisonous. Some people really enjoy having someone to point the finger at.

Ego is a sinful creature. Edge-God-Out is what it is.

Where is the pride in admitting we still fall short of the glory of God and always will?

 

[SpiritLed]

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. -1 John 3:6


Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. -1 John 3:9

We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. -1 John 5:18


Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. -1 Corinthians 15:34

Still think you're a servant to God even if you sin but just once in a great while???????? You're not born again if you do. Just ask Jesus:

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. -Matthew 8:34

 

[dcontroversal]

He doesn't have faith enough to do it.

John was clear...If we say we have no sin...

1. NO TRUTH
2. Deceived

Post 205 states it all....No TRUTH and Deceived

If the righteous SCARCELY be saved..........!

 

[willybob]

The old man is dead, but we have to die to ourselves daily and carry our cross daily in order to keep him dead.

Greetings OneFaith....

When Paul said I die daily in 1 Cor. 15 he was speaking of the persecutions he was facing in Ephesus for the gospels sake..He had already put do death the flesh desires in the baptism of repentance which took him 3 days in Damascus ...When read in full context Jesus says "pick up your cross" He is speaking of persecutions for the gospels sake...........God Bless

 

[willybob]

The forgone conclusion in scripture is ALWAYS righteousness, NEVER sin, otherwise Jesus would have said go and sin some more that a better thing happen to you.....How come God told Cain he could do it but professing Christians who claim to have the Holy Spirit say they cant do it...Should God go back and apologize to Cain? Did He judge Him to harshly? He said in contrast to Cain's works that his brother Abel's works were righteous, Hebrews 3...