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joaniemarie · Mar 21, 2018

Again., the religious pharisees and Israelite's put their faith in Abraham and not in Christ. Their Jewish laws and long blood lines in Abraham., Isaac and Jacob... and David etc... Not the blood of Jesus. It IS about JESUS blood line. It is about our pedigree IN Jesus not in sinful man. We are made sons of God IN Christ. There is no other name given under heaven whereby we must be saved.... not in any other name.

Born of incorruptible seed.

joaniemarie · Mar 21, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

The Holy Spirit shows us how to look at Jesus as our righteousness. We don't look to see if we are have "kept ourselves propped up" enough. John 16:8-12 explains how the HolySpirit works in the world and in the Christian.

He always convicts the believer of our righteous standing (pedigree) in Christ. We are righteous in Christ and so we examine our right standing according to Jesus and not according to our flimsy pathetic flesh.

We are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit... new creations in Christ. The old is gone... the new has come. NEW WINE. Jesus had to go so the He could send the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the One who the Teacher who will lead us into ALL truth. He abides IN us now. He shows us how by the renewing of our minds.

However, I am telling you nothing but the truth when I say it is profitable (good, expedient, advantageous) for you that I go away. Because if I do not go away, the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, Strengthener, Standby) will not come to you [into close fellowship with you]; but if I go away, I will send Him to you [to be in close fellowship with you].
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8 [/SUP]And when He comes, He will convict and convince the WORLD and bring demonstration to it ABOUT SIN and about righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God) and about judgment:
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9 [/SUP]About sin, because they do not believe in Me [trust in, rely on, and adhere to Me]; THE WORLD DO NOT BELONG TO HIM

[SUP]10 [/SUP]About righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God), because I go to My Father, and you will see Me no longer; THE BELIEVER DOES BELONG TO HIM AND ARE TO BE REMINDED OF OUR RIGHT STANDING WITH GOD.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]About judgment, because the ruler (evil genius, prince) of this world [Satan] is judged and condemned and sentence already is passed upon him. ABOUT JUDGEMENT UPON THE DEVIL AS HE IS JUDGED ALREADY.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have still many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them or to take them upon you or to grasp them now.

Sad to say many Christians think the Holy Spirit is condemning the believer when in fact it is the world.... the flesh and the devil who does that. NOT the Holy Spirit. We are now new creations in Christ and we hear the Holy Spirit who is in us. But we must chose to hear and walk in the flesh OR in the Spirit.

joaniemarie · Mar 21, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Abide on the Vine.... walk in the Spirit and you won't abide in the flesh or do the things of the flesh. The flesh is opposed to the Spirit. The Holy Spirit will always remind you of who you are in Christ. He always points us to Jesus... and we abide in Him each day making that choice ... flesh..OR Spirit.

Johnny_B · Mar 21, 2018

I wish I could say I cannot believe how people are misquoting the Scriptures. Titus 3:5 and Ephesians 2:8 were misinterpreted and out of context. The word obedience is just another word for "works or boast" with a spiritual twist.

Titus 3:4-7 “But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared,5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”

Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

"By grace we have been saved through faith." People misinterpret this all the time, they say it is our faith that brings the grace that saves us when the next sentance says the total opposite. Starting with "not of our doing" or our faith, our obedience, our works of righteousness because it's not a result of works. It is none of it anything you can do, does not bring the grace or faith, why? So one one can say it is by something they have done and the Holy Spirit calls it boasting when you say that you did something for your salvation.

Both explainations of our salvation say it is by His mercy, with Ephesians starting with this in verse 2:4 “But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us “But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,”

Mercy is the Greek word, "ELEOS" is "compassion, pity, clemency" BAGD Greek-English Lexicon. From Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, "is the outward manifeastation of pity; it assumes need on the part of him who receives it, and resources adequate to meet the need on part of him who shows it." Also "kindness or good will towards the miserable and affilcted, joined with a desire to relief them." From Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.

So the grace that saves us is because of the Father's compassionate pity because of His clemency because He desires to relief us of our afflction, our sinful nature, because of His loving kindness and good will towards us His elect. If the Father would not of had mercy on us and given us His grace we would be bound for hell's eternal flames of fire that are never quenched and the worm never dies, where there "will be weeping and gnashing of teeth," That God for His mercy.

Everyone needs to stop the boasting about their faith, obedience, works of righteousness, it's all God's gift to us His chidren those that He chose, predestined, justified, and glorified because of His mercy for us, by His gracious gift for us. We can rest in the salvation that He has given us, there is not one thing that needs to be done for a gift, if you give one penny, it is not a gift it is a purchase, if you do one push-up, it is earned. A gift is a gift, no payment, no exchange, a gift can only be received.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 21, 2018

joaniemarie said:

That which is born of corruptible seed can become corrupted. If otherwise, there would be no need for a prayer to keep body, soul and spirit blameless.

Test all things; hold fast to what is good. Abstain from every form of evil. May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely. May your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-23

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 21, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Pedigree and standing are not the same thing. Pedigree pertains to nature and standing pertains to legal status. So we have righteous legal standing with GOD in spite of our unrighteous nature (pedigree). Simply having Christ's spirit doesn't make our nature righteous. It gives us the ability to overcome it.

joaniemarie · Mar 21, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

That which is born of corruptible seed can become corrupted. If otherwise, there would be no need for a prayer to keep body, soul and spirit blameless.

Test all things; hold fast to what is good. Abstain from every form of evil. May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely. May your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-23

You don't understand the new birth.

RickyZ · Mar 21, 2018

p_rehbein said:

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I hereby introduce my R.O.S.E. Theology!

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REMAINING OBEDIENT SECURES ETERNITY

(Scriptural Support)

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Luke 6:46 - And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Isaiah 1:19 - If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

1 Samuel 15:22 - And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.

Ephesians 6:5-9 - Servants, be obedient to them that are [your] masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; (Read More...)

Romans 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

James 2:24 - Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

John 14:21 - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Matthew 7:14 - Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

2 Corinthians 2:9 - For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

Luke 5:1-39 - And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret, (Read More...)

Matthew 16:27)For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Romans 2:5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11) For there is no respect of persons with God.

2 Corinthians 5:10) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1 Corinthians 4:5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

1 Peter 1:17) And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Revelation 20:12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Psalms 62:12) Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.

Proverbs 24:12) If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?

Colossians 3:23) And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
24) Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 25) But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

1 Corinthians 3:8) Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION!

God bless......

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Grandpa · Mar 21, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

I agree with this.

But I don't agree with everyones definition of what they think obedience is.

Abiding in Christ is obedience.

Coming to Christ to receive rest from our work at righteousness is obedience.

Because these things require Faith in the Lord Jesus.

joaniemarie · Mar 21, 2018

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Are Christians a truly holy people, or are we trying to become a holy people?… As an oak sapling grows, it doesn’t get “oakier.” Oak is oak. It simply matures into what it is, a full-grown oak tree.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You don’t become an oak tree by acting like an oak tree; nor do you become holy by acting holy. Jesus makes you holy. Your part is to mature into what He has already made you. This takes time, but just as a baby never becomes more human as it grows, you will never become more holy as you mature. You simply grow into who God has already made you to be. Here’s Bill Gillham again:[/FONT]
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Needless to say, maturity doesn’t occur in one giant leap, but through a process: “But we all … are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory” (2 Corinthians 3:18). Notice it’s “from glory to glory,” not “from garbage to glory.” You are already holy in Christ … Just as an oak sapling does not get oakier as it matures, neither does a new creature in Christ get holier, more forgiven, more accepted, etc.

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Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness (Romans 6:19b). Given that Christ has already sanctified us, a more accurate translation might be “unto holiness” as in, “Just as you used to live unto wickedness when you were wicked, live unto holiness now that you are holy.”[/FONT]
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But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life (Romans 6:22). A better translation may be, “have fruit unto sanctification.” Holy fruit are reaped not manufactured. Like eternal life, fruit are gifts, not wages (John 3:16, 5:21).[/FONT]
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To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be His holy people … (1 Corinthians 1:2a). You are sanctified so act like it.[/FONT]
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Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity … (Colossians 3:5a). If you’re a butterfly, don’t act like a caterpillar. If you have been given a new nature, don’t act in accordance with your old one. That’s hypocrisy. It’s pretending to be someone you are not.[/FONT]
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It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality … (1 Thessalonians 4:3). It is God’s will that you should be sanctified in your conduct, not because your salvation hinges on it, but your wellbeing does. Sin is destructive.[/FONT]
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Stunnedbygrace · Mar 21, 2018

Grandpa said:

We absolutely DO need to be obedient to His Commands.

I just don't really get your theology here.

You say asking forgiveness gives us a perfect score? Not our actual obedience?

Looks like you'll need to change your acronym. It must be forgiveness that secures our salvation and not necessarily obedience.

Stupendous!!

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 21, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Scripture contradicts so much of what Paul Ellis says. You have to wade through a lot of words before that becomes apparent, but the contravening thought is always there. In this case, his doctrine is that practiced sin only affects one's well-being in this mortal life, but cannot affect eternal life, which contradicts many scripture verses (even spoken by Jesus himself) that explicitly state otherwise.

joaniemarie · Mar 21, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

No wading through needed. It was a short read and very Biblical regardless of whether PE wrote it or you don't agree. The security of the believer is a Bible teaching. The new birth and passing from death into life is Bible teaching. God's seed in us is "incorruptible" more Bible teaching. The Bible is clear about the incorruptible seed of God in us.

Jesus doesn't contradict His word. Sin in anyone's life saved or unsaved brings death. But the saved person goes to be with the Lord all because of Jesus., not because the saved person kept his flesh propped up with good works.

It's because Jesus made the sinner a son by saving him and giving him a new spirit making them a new creation. Not of corruptible seed but incorruptible brought into the Family of God through the gift of righteousness in His Son.
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[/SUP]Now to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.

1 Pet.1:23 [SUP]23 [/SUP]having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of [SUP][a][/SUP]God, which liveth and abideth.

Gal.3:29 [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye are Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.

Many more verses about the seed. Explicitly states the truth with no contradiction.

1 Cor.15:53 [SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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52 [/SUP]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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54 [/SUP]But when [SUP][b][/SUP]this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, [SUP][c][/SUP]Death is swallowed up [SUP][d][/SUP]in victory.
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18 [/SUP]knowing that ye were redeemed, not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from your vain manner of life handed down from your fathers;
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19 [/SUP]but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, even the blood of Christ:
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20 [/SUP]who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of the times for your sake, [SUP]21 [/SUP]who through him are believers in God, that raised him from the dead, and gave him glory; so that your faith and hope might be in God. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another [SUP][a][/SUP]from the heart fervently:
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HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 21, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Not necessarily. Many people are buffered from life's ills due to wealth accrued through their sinfulness.

Stunnedbygrace · Mar 21, 2018

A lot of the objection comes over the fact that works of the law is broad. For instance, I read that to have anger in the heart is murder, even if I don't do the deed outwardly. So then, I love Jesus and I want to obey and so I try hard to never have anger in my heart. That is a work. That is me not realizing HE has to be the one to make me obedient in heart.

And since it is so easy to get caught up in this for so many years, they object to your op not addressing the matter of obedience fully because they want to save people from the joyless exhaustion they got caught into for years if it is at all possible.

p_rehbein · Mar 21, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

p_rehbein said:

(Scriptural Support)

OK, let's look at this so-called Scriptural Support

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
No indication that eternal security is in jeopard This clearly shows that one who claims to love Christ must keep His Commandments. Are you not able to then determine what would be the outcome if one who claimed to love Christ walked their lives in disobedience to Him?

Luke 6:46 - And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
This is a rebuke to the false professors paying lip-service, not true Christians.

More than a few professed believers pay lip service to the Commandments of Christ, so this is not only for those He was speaking to.

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Right. Which means that genuine Christians must not be slaves to sin, but walk in the Spirit.

Right, and genuine Christians who are walking in the Spirit know that they must live their lives in obedience to Christ. Obedience unto righteousness is the key for believers in this Scripture.

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Correct. This separates the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the tares.

Correct, and it surely separates those who blindly serve Denominational Ideology rather than the Gospel of Christ. This, in context with the other Scriptures show that it is necessary to live our lives in obedience to Him

James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Absolutely. If Christian are not doers of the Word, they are false professors paying lip service to Christ.

Absolutely. Being doers is living in obedience

Isaiah 1:19 - If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
This was for Israel. Disregard.

Not gonna do that....ALL SCRIPTURE IS....as the Scripture says....simply because this is a clear example of the "justification of Scripture." Showing how God's Word is the same....yesterday, today and tomorrow.

1 Samuel 15:22 - And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.

Absolutely. This is addressed to the hypocrites who went through the outward motions, but disobeyed God internally.

Absolutely......oh, wait, you wanted to disregard the last one, but not thissin? too, too funny
Many believers today do the very same thing........and far too many say it isn't necessary to worry about all them pesky Commandments anyhoo, 'cuz we iz saved by Grace

Ephesians 6:5-9 - Servants, be obedient to them that are [your] masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

This is addressed to servants or all employees. Employees are to do what their employers require, unless it is illegal or immoral.

And it also applies to the Church/believers....should not be too difficult how it does I would think.......would Christ want us to ONLY be obedient to our Employers and NOT to Him?

Romans 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

Those who love God keep His commandments, and all things do indeed work together for good.

So, what's the problem?

James 2:24 - Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Correct. A genuine faith in Christ must produce good works, so absence of good works means that there was no genuine faith.

Correct, and, as with good works, obedience is a fruit of Salvation. Unless one is saved, one can not live in obedience to Christ

John 14:21 - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

There is no question that Christians are to keep the commandments of Christ, but not for their eternal security. To show their genuine love for God.

Yes.......however........please tell me what would be the result of a Christian who DID NOT keep His Commandments, but walked their life in disobedience to them? And, again, you are not understanding..... "secure eternity" When we walk in obedience to Christ, we are secure in knowing that our eternity will be with Him. Just as when we believe on His name, John 3:16.....we are secure in knowing He will save us. Don't see why that is so hard to understand

Matthew 7:14 - Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The "narrow way" is Christ Himself, His blood, and His righteousness, for our salvation.

Yes He is. And to enter in through Him we must live in obedience to Him

2 Corinthians 2:9 - For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

Christians cannot do as they please, since they have been bought with a price.

Exactly, but there are more than a few right here on CC who will disagree with you

Luke 5:1-39 - And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret, (Read More...)

Matthew 16:27)For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Right. This speaks of rewards, not eternal life -- which is God's gift.

And those rewards will come in eternity which we can be secure in knowing will be with Him if we live in obedience to Him

Romans 2:5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11) For there is no respect of persons with God.

Everyone will be judged according to their works.

Yup, but you will get a whole lotta people upset if you say that too loudly here

2 Corinthians 5:10) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Christians will be judged for their works at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Yup....and that's gonna go a whole lot better IF they lived their lives in obedience to Him.....right? And, again, you will catch some grief for saying that

1 Corinthians 4:5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Only Christ can render ultimate judgment upon every believer.

Yup........and He will surely judge, and wow, I hope folks have lived in obedience to Him, 'cuz...........well, otherwise

1 Peter 1:17) And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Christians will be judged for their works at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Already answered that....but it serves to reveal the justification of Scripture

Revelation 20:12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This is the judgment of the damned. It has nothing to do with Christians.

It has everything to do with those who lived their lives in disobedience to Christ and His Commandments......now, folks don't wanna admit it.....but IT DO!

Psalms 62:12) Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.

Correct. Every man's works will be judged (saved and unsaved).

Correct...justification of Scripture

Proverbs 24:12) If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?

Same as above.

Yup

Colossians 3:23) And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
24) Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 25) But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

Again, Christians will receive rewards according to their works. This does not speak of the gift of eternal life.

Oh pardon perfaver.....the gift of inheritance IS eternal life....and he that doeth wrong are those who lived their lives in disobedience to Christ

1 Corinthians 3:8) Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Again, this is about rewards, not salvation.

This, again, is speaking of rewards received in eternity, and they are surely based on living in obedience or not living in obedience...... For those who laboured obediently.....yea! For those who didn'a.......hmm

So........I don't see the problem........you did a good job of showing how the Scriptures provided support the statement:

Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity

joaniemarie · Mar 21, 2018

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Doesn't matter how rich OR poor OR middle class a person is., "the wages of sin is death" in every single case. Don't look at what seems to be real in terms of the world or the flesh ... The enemy can use that against you to not see the truth that the wages of sin is ALWAYS death ... But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:23 [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

p_rehbein · Mar 21, 2018

Stunnedbygrace said:

Don't know who you mean this for, however, NOTHING in the OP speaks of the works of the Law.......the Law of Moses.....

The Commandments of Christ in the New Testament are NOT the Law of Moses.........soooooo

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 21, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Doesn't matter how rich OR poor OR middle class a person is., "the wages of sin is death" in every single case. Don't look at what seems to be real in terms of the world or the flesh ... The enemy can use that against you to not see the truth that the wages of sin is ALWAYS death ... But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:23 [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The wages of sin is spiritual death.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 21, 2018

joaniemarie; said:

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

In fact, people sin because in most cases it improves their earthly lives. But what does it profit people to gain the whole world, yet lose their souls?

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