Noah and The Flood

[Astallia]

Hello everyone, this is my first forum post, so forgive me if I mess up somewhere along the way.

My brother-in-law proposed a question that I could not answer. The answer I am looking for is one that agrees with both geographical evidence and Biblical evidence. He asked that if The Flood wiped out all of humanity except for Noah and his family, how did they repopulate the earth?

He understands that there may have been land bridges that connected the continents that we may have used to travel between the continents, but they have been submerged for over 15,000 years according to geographical evidence. So if we repopulated by land bridges, that throws off the accuracy of the genealogies of the Bible by over 10,000 years.

If we assume that the genealogies of the Bible are correct, and inerrant, then there were no land bridges between continents. So how did we traverse the oceans when inter-continental travel wasn't possible for over 1,000 years later?

Personally, I believe that since the Bible we have today, and the scrolls we have available for translation, were written by man, they have a potential to have errors. The only infallible manuscript was THE ORIGINAL, 1st edition, hot off the press scroll. This is my belief, so I tend to believe that maybe during the length of the spoken word, before people started writing it down, and during the millions of copied text, someone may have left out 1 or 2 numbers a few times.

I hope to receive a more conclusive answer, or some support for my own belief. Its something that I am wondering now. I Hope to return from work at 6 a.m. to an answer. God bless any response I get. Thank you in advanced.

 

[Laodicea]

Genesis 10:25 says the earth was divided some time after the flood. From that the earth after the flood would have been 1 continent which God divided

 

[serpentslayer]

Did not Noah build a boat that withstood the Flood? Then the knowledge to build a boat that could travel the oceans was already available to them. The Bible (KJV) is accurate, so believe it emphatically, for true faith in GOD is not just believing that HE IS, but believing what HE SAID(HEB)!! And contend not with those who use what is falsely called 'science' (2TIM); but acknowledge the WORD of GOD as the TRUTH.

 

[serpentslayer]

Genesis 10:25 says the earth was divided some time after the flood. From that the earth after the flood would have been 1 continent which God divided

Not necessarily so. The division could be the segregaion of the people according to their languages, which languages the LORD confused into many from only one.

 

[Spartacus1122]

the volcanic explosion of Santorini is believed to have triggered the various cataclysms that led to the plagues of Egypt, etc. So, it is possible that a similar even caused the great flood.

by logic alone, we know that Noah could not have gathered so many animals, and enough of them, to preserve the species.
You have to consider the symbolism of it, and perhaps the geographic limitation of said event.

in-breeding typically does not help preserve anything

 

[wwjd_kilden]

the bible also says all mankind origined from Adam and Eve, I don't see the problem. God is God.

 

[Ibe]

Hello everyone, this is my first forum post, so forgive me if I mess up somewhere along the way.

My brother-in-law proposed a question that I could not answer. The answer I am looking for is one that agrees with both geographical evidence and Biblical evidence. He asked that if The Flood wiped out all of humanity except for Noah and his family, how did they repopulate the earth?

He understands that there may have been land bridges that connected the continents that we may have used to travel between the continents, but they have been submerged for over 15,000 years according to geographical evidence. So if we repopulated by land bridges, that throws off the accuracy of the genealogies of the Bible by over 10,000 years.

If we assume that the genealogies of the Bible are correct, and inerrant, then there were no land bridges between continents. So how did we traverse the oceans when inter-continental travel wasn't possible for over 1,000 years later?

Personally, I believe that since the Bible we have today, and the scrolls we have available for translation, were written by man, they have a potential to have errors. The only infallible manuscript was THE ORIGINAL, 1st edition, hot off the press scroll. This is my belief, so I tend to believe that maybe during the length of the spoken word, before people started writing it down, and during the millions of copied text, someone may have left out 1 or 2 numbers a few times.

I hope to receive a more conclusive answer, or some support for my own belief. Its something that I am wondering now. I Hope to return from work at 6 a.m. to an answer. God bless any response I get. Thank you in advanced.

Astallia,
My brother-in-law proposed a question that I could not answer. The answer I am looking for is one that agrees with both geographical evidence and Biblical evidence. He asked that if The Flood wiped out all of humanity except for Noah and his family, how did they repopulate the earth?

Well Brother, the Mysteries have been revealed to me, and my understanding is this,

Genesis1
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

In Genesis 1 this is our Fathers Children 6-Day creation, “Spirit Body’s”

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

This is where we get all the Race’s, Spanish, Chinese, Black, White, and so on
Don’t asked me to document where its says this “Just what I be leave”

Then our Father rested

Genesis 2

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

This is the 1st earth Age

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Now then because of the over-throw of Satan and the fallen angels, our Father made Man “FLESH” gave Him free will to chose between Satan or Him “Our Father” Thus starting the 2nd Earth Age

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Now then this is Adam “1st Flesh body” we still have all our Fathers Children don’t forget, all the Race’s (Man and Woman) from the 1st Earth Age “Spirit Bodys”

Now Then our Father made Eve don’t forget this is the 2nd Earth Age “Flesh”

21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Now Then there is a lot more to all this, but I don’t want to over load you all, Just read and ask for understanding.

So we still have all our Fathers Children “Spirit Body’s, 1st Earth Age
Adam and Eve Flesh Body’s 2nd Earth Age

Now then,

24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

So their Adam and Eve, Hummm

Now then,

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

This serpent is Satan, I’m not gonna look up where he is called that but I can
So Satan from the first Earth age, Spirit Body, is talking to Eve 2nd Earth Age “Flesh Body”
I’m going to bypass their deal for now, But if you really read and look into it you should see the Sin

Now then

Genesis 3

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
2And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Now then we have Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Flesh Body’s 2nd Earth Age

8And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Now then we have Adam, Eve, Cain,

Hummm

Flesh Body’s 2nd Earth Age “flesh”
16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

What did you read that? NOD? WIFE?

The Mysteries in our Father’s letter is being showen here read with understanding
The first six Chapters of Genesis The Three Earth Age’s …….
.2nd Peter 3= the three earth age’s

6-day creation all the race’s “Our Spirit Bodys” 1st Earth Age

8-day creation Flesh Body’s 2nd Earth Age “free will to chose” (test Age)

The tree of Life = Jesus

The Tree of Good and Bad=Satan

Sin in the Garden

3rd Earth Age Heaven right here on Earth with The Kingdom of God

The book of Jude= Falling Angels

“6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Spirit Bodys mixing with the daughters of Man, Flesh Bodys= Falling Angels

They refuse the command ye must be Born again thru woman “water” Spirit to Flesh

Hope this helps
“Ibe”
“Ibe a Disciple of Jesus Christ”
“Ibe In His Service”

 

[Spartacus1122]

the bible also says all mankind origined from Adam and Eve, I don't see the problem. God is God.

... explaining why 90% of people on Earth are !d!o+$, hahahaha

By the way, the Adam & Eve story is mostly a hebraic parable, explaining that we are God's creation, and reflective of the patriarchal society of the time, where women were second-rate citizens (Eve being the deceitful, greedy woman). The snake has often been portrayed as a sinister creature in many cultures, and it is reflective in judaic culture. The traditional story has it as a snake and nothing more. Christianity added the "devil" element, to illustrate the concept of original sin, according to its doctrine.

Genetically and biologically it is impossible that all 4 billion+ of us come from two individuals. Notice how there is little reference to how Seth, Enosh, Mahalel, etc. found their spouses, and where they came from and from which families. The same for Noah's children. Again, all reflective of the male-dominat, patriarchal hebraic society, with little to no regard to women.

I believe in God's creation of the human species, but Adam & Eve are a more of a hebraic parable.

Of course, some people here take the story as literal truth, and I respect that. No offense intended.
Cheers, and be well.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

well, according to the big bang we all came from a cluster of particles

I prefer the bible version, it seems to make more sense to me

 

[greatblue]

Hope this helps

Ibe,

I would impress upon you to consider both form and function when it comes to your posts. I could not honestly read through, or understand, any real coherent focus or direction. This is not to say that you don't have something powerful to reveal or explain, but if you are going to take the time to type out all that is on your heart, I implore you to consider your audience and proofread what you're typing. Otherwise...it all comes across like a rambling ball of madness.

God Bless...

 

[episcopotic]

If we assume that the genealogies of the Bible are correct, and inerrant, then there were no land bridges between continents. So how did we traverse the oceans when inter-continental travel wasn't possible for over 1,000 years later?

This seems like straining at a gnat, just to swallow a camel. A person who doesn't believe men could be helped in crossing oceans doesn't believe that Noah and his ilk were saved on the ark. This is like accepting the virgin birth while taking issue with water to wine.

I'm not saying that any conclusion is correct here, but if you presuppose divine intervention with the ark, later intervention doesn't seem unreasonable. And if you don't presuppose divine intervention with the ark, it seems much more reasonable to question the ark itself.

The question isn't wrong, per se, but it's very odd. My concern is that, in defending infallibility, you may have twisted yourself into knots. Is the Bible infallible? Good question, but not all methods of answering it are equally worthy and I'm not sure its teachings on travel are the most important concern.

Suppose you do solve the problem of pre-intercontinental intercontinental travel. Was that really the point?

The only infallible manuscript was THE ORIGINAL, 1st edition, hot off the press scroll. This is my belief, so I tend to believe that maybe during the length of the spoken word, before people started writing it down, and during the millions of copied text, someone may have left out 1 or 2 numbers a few times.

I don't believe there was any such thing, if you mean the Bible as a whole. By the time the Greek scriptures were completed, the Hebrew scriptures had already begun to demonstrate significant variations. If you don't mean the Bible as a whole, there are interesting questions there too.

 

[episcopotic]

Well Brother, the Mysteries have been revealed to me, and my understanding is this,

This seems like a fairly standard Gnostic descent into matter. Is that correct? We start as spirit, become more fleshy, more dense, etc.? Jesus inaugurates the new age by teaching the mysteries, enlightening some?

 

[Ibe]

This seems like a fairly standard Gnostic descent into matter. Is that correct? We start as spirit, become more fleshy, more dense, etc.? Jesus inaugurates the new age by teaching the mysteries, enlightening some?

Well now my Brother,

I dont know of this Gnostic decent? But yes the Word says it is as it is written:

6th-Day Creation =Man and Woman

7th-Day our Father rested

Then our Father made Adam and Eve thats the first Flesh Bodys

So I ask you my Brother, do you beleave this is what is written?

Is this standard Gnostic?

Thanks for your help

"Ibe"

 

[Ibe]

Ibe,

I would impress upon you to consider both form and function when it comes to your posts. I could not honestly read through, or understand, any real coherent focus or direction. This is not to say that you don't have something powerful to reveal or explain, but if you are going to take the time to type out all that is on your heart, I implore you to consider your audience and proofread what you're typing. Otherwise...it all comes across like a rambling ball of madness.

God Bless...

Thanks My Brother,

I'm sorry for the confusion, I do have the sight to see, and not the ablity, to explain what I see, was trying to show where I see Scripture pointing to the question, As many look over those Scripture's,

I ask you, do you beleave what is writen?

Do you see our Father created all the race's on the Sixth Day and we was in Spirit Bodys? Man and Woman? "Please answer"

Do you see our Father Rested on the 7th Day? "Please answer"

And Do you see our Father Made Adam and Eve as the first and only Flesh Body's on Earth at that time. "Please answer"

I'll be looking at your form and function as it might help me to better explain to other's the Scripture's.

God Bless you my Brother for your Answers

"Ibe"

 

[RedTent]

I don’t think it makes much difference what any individual of us believes except that it does make a difference that we understand God is supreme in our world although Satan tries to be. God operates our world by set principles that never change. God’s scripture tries to make us understand those principles so we can live in harmony with them.

God usually used the literal to help us understand His principles. It really doesn’t make much difference if there was a pagan who survived the flood, or if God saved some animals in another way. What does make a big difference is our understanding that the grace God gives us, God’s patience with deliberate sin can come to an end. It will never result in a flood again, but God’s patience with us can end.

 

[Astallia]

I'm not saying that any conclusion is correct here, but if you presuppose divine intervention with the ark, later intervention doesn't seem unreasonable. And if you don't presuppose divine intervention with the ark, it seems much more reasonable to question the ark itself.

I understand what you are saying, and would normally agree with you, but by assuming divine intervention without the mention of it in the Bible, you begin making an argument out of nothing. I hope not to offend, as I understand what you are saying.

Now bear with me please, because I know that this will sound trite, but I believe the principle is sound: Could there of been divine intervention, and God just placed people across the world: Yes. Could aliens of also come down and transported us to other continents trying to save our species from a perceived global disaster: Yes. I don't much believe in the second, but because we have no evidence, written or otherwise, that supports or disproves either claim they are equally correct.


That's the meat of my question. Is there any evidence at all, that supports any Post-Flood re population? Or are we all left with the hanging impossibility that it couldn't of happened, and thus must form our own unfounded opinions to make the two ends meet? If that's what it is, I guess I have to accept it. I just find it hard when the very history we look at to show people that Jesus existed cant be trusted to explain how we repopulated the Earth. Its like accepting Math to calculate Weight, but saying its inaccurate to calculate speed. Picking and choosing when the evidence is right and wrong. Am I all sorts of messed up here?

 

[episcopotic]

I understand what you are saying, and would normally agree with you, but by assuming divine intervention without the mention of it in the Bible, you begin making an argument out of nothing.

My argument, more than anything else, is a response to the idea that it's impossible for mankind to have done this, that a mechanism is necessary. I'm not arguing that God did it, but if you accept that he's over in the corner, drying out his sponges, it feels like there's a lot less pressure behind the objection.

Now bear with me please, because I know that this will sound trite, but I believe the principle is sound: Could there of been divine intervention, and God just placed people across the world: Yes. Could aliens of also come down and transported us to other continents trying to save our species from a perceived global disaster: Yes. I don't much believe in the second, but because we have no evidence, written or otherwise, that supports or disproves either claim they are equally correct.

Our knowledge, our evidence, does not determine whether something is correct, so I have to take issue with the idea that they're both equally correct. You didn't know whether it rained here today, but it certainly did. To claim otherwise would have been incorrect and your lack of knowledge wouldn't have made it otherwise.

I think what you're talking about is an objective or uninformative prior on all explanations; without any evidence to one side or the other, any explanation is equally probable. You're talking about decision theoretics - in the absence of knowledge, it's pragmatic to treat all possibilities as equally probable. Don't mistake this for truth, though - this sort of decision-making framework is not the only one. It just happens to be nice in certain ways.

At the very least, if we assume the Biblical account, we have observed a God who at least temporarily intervenes for the comfort of his people; this has to unbalance our a priori estimates of God vs. aliens.

That's the meat of my question. Is there any evidence at all, that supports any Post-Flood re population? Or are we all left with the hanging impossibility that it couldn't of happened, and thus must form our own unfounded opinions to make the two ends meet? If that's what it is, I guess I have to accept it. I just find it hard when the very history we look at to show people that Jesus existed cant be trusted to explain how we repopulated the Earth. Its like accepting Math to calculate Weight, but saying its inaccurate to calculate speed. Picking and choosing when the evidence is right and wrong. Am I all sorts of messed up here?

I guess, for me, assuming that Noah and his family were preserved through divine intervention is already a suspension of all the usual rules. Their sudden reapplication once he gets off the boat is jarring.

When your brother-in-law says "if The Flood wiped out all of humanity except for Noah and his family," is he assuming for the sake of argument that God had a hand in it? Or not? And if not, I'm not sure why you're interested in the argument; it's not, as far as I can tell, the one you actually believe.

 

[episcopotic]

By the way, to give you another example of a decision-theoretic framework, the frequentist would say we're both heretics for assigning probabilities to events when we've not even observed frequencies; i.e. if you've not seen an alien or a god, you have no business even mucking about with chance, so it's best to be silent.

(Not that I disagree with the principle of indifference, by the way, but it's not the only principle out there.)

 

[episcopotic]

One last thing - the Hebrew account of the Flood was only one of many in the area and it may interest you to know that, for example, the epic of Gilgamesh explicitly states that Utnapishtim was whisked away to a far-off place after the Flood.

How you take that, of course, depends entirely on how you deal with the Sumerian/Babylonian myths, which are often parallel to what we read in the Bible.

In any case, I hope the conversation with your BIL goes well.

 

[greatblue]

Thanks My Brother,
Do you see our Father created all the race's on the Sixth Day and we was in Spirit Bodys? Man and Woman?

You lose me on "spirit bodies". Gen 1:2 "Spirit of God" is glorified supreme being. Days 1-5 are acts of physical creation: waters, dry land, etc. So why/how is God creating "physical earth" and "existence", but then spirit bodied man? I take day 6 to mean humankind, created in God's image, male and female. Man was the pinnacle of God's creation, as we are "like God" in not only our human appearance (See Jesus), but also our higher-order reasoning that makes us aware of God and His creation. He placed "us" over all other created things. We have language, not just "call systems"; we have freewill, not just programmed instinct. We have the capacity to form schema, build culture, and pro-create. I don't just mean reproduce here, but literally create new things out of God's provided creation, which He gave us dominion over. Anyway, I'm tangenting and I apologize. Your supposition of racial diversity during creation is, in my opinion, extremely mislead. A few courses in Anthropology reveal much about the dispersion of humankind, including regional relative physical characteristics. Anyway…diversity only "continues" to expand racially. Do you understand that even now, in the 21st century, we are creating "new races" as we continue to mix God's human creation.

Do you see our Father Rested on the 7th Day?

God rested after He created man. I mentioned this before, but this gives us two-fold knowledge. One, that as God's final mantle of creation, He rested knowing we were good. "Man" is His crowning feat in all creation and this also demonstrates that He loves us. he didn't create anything after us, and deemed us most worthy to inherit all that He made, and Jesus' kingdom as well.

Do you see our Father Made Adam and Eve as the first and only Flesh Body's on Earth at that time.

Yes on the sixth day. Gen 2:1-6 summarizes God's creation of earlier days. Obviously, Gen 1 literally breaks down God's "daily" work with minimal description. Have you ever studied the biological framework of Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species? Well, all God's diverse brilliant animals only get a brief origin stamp in Genesis 1. Anyway, Gen 2:7 now holds the magnifying glass over God's creation of man on the 6th day. This makes sense because we are the crowning achievement in creation. He rests after we're made, so Genesis exists to explain our origin and where we go from there.

Ibe, your idea that races were created before Adam and Eve is entirely illogical and contradictory to the word of God. Genesis 1 is a prologue of creation showing God as Alpha, and man as the final achievement. Genesis 2 starts the story of God's final achievement, which continues on to showing the Omega of Christ in Revelations and our place with Him.