A few questions for brave non Israelites;

[morninglory]

Now I want tos say
satan is not a name

satan means "The accuser of the brethren"

instead of using his name which no one in heaven speaks anymore because he is so evil

when we say
"You are from _
or You ar in error
or you are this
or you are that
then that person is a minister of satan.

let us drive satan out of here

the liklihood, the dissension is because the doctrine is one side or another a tradition of man
which is ALWAYS WRONG

satan does the sifting
Jesus doesnt want us sifted..
Jesus prays for us.

let us pray for Jesus to keep us in the TRUTH


Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Now reading the Bible
it says the majority of the world will be tricked by satan false doctrine
the truth is a narrow way

the truth is just what the Bible says
not what people tell us

so if you cant show from the Bible what you believe it is because some evangelest told it to you and you never studied it

so likely it is wrong

whatever you don't know and cant show
just treat it like error until you can find it is error.

I will say that I agree with this for the most part, but I feel that it is the influence of satan in us that is being sifted out, and that is the Lord's doing. He is doing that via his Word. Matt.24.35 wt Rev.20.11 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will not pass away". As 1 Cor.3.13-15 says, the same fire that burns also saves, that is congruent with prophecy(Jer.23.29) saying God's word is a fire.

Blessing friend

 

[posthuman]

POST. let's have the big tough paul secret stuff you found.

ZONE

i didn't find any big secret Paul stuff

(chuckles)

 

[zone]

It is so abstract, it is hard to get a handle on it.

what's abstract.
you said you discovered the pagan stuff that Christians have been imbibing in for thousands of years.
you said paul is misunderstood.
you put NEW COVENANT in quotes like it's some misunderstood thing.
and you called out Tin as one of a few who can't go the distance.

so i'm asking you - PROVE IT ALL.
POST.
PROOF.
GET BUSY.
cite all sources - especially the jewish ones.
Alexander Hislop too if you must.

 

[zone]

ZONE

i didn't find any big secret Paul stuff

(chuckles)

oh but da judaizers and gnostics found it.

i want to see it.
but i won't.
they're all TALK. no beef.

 

[morninglory]

i don't have you confused with anyone.

1) let's go the distance
2) let's hear YOUR version of the quote marks for emphasis NEW COVENANT end quote marks.

new covenant explained here by morninglory:












...

don't waste time.
just post on it; and cite your authoritative sources.
i'm busy, and you're ignorant AND arrogant.

POST. let's have the big tough paul secret stuff you found.

Zone, you and Tintin are the ones claiming that the new Covenant abolishes the old laws and commandments. I am asking you for scripture that supports that belief, and as I said already, I want to discuss this in a civil manner, you are the one that is being arrogant. And if I am right in my finding, it is not me you are calling ignorant, it is the Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible. God is the judge.

 

[zone]

We have talked before, 2the waters, there are two other people that cannot go the distance in a discussion, that is who I wanted to draw out. Thank you. I am sure there will be more to say as the discussion gets going.

Peace

arrogance ^

Zone, you and Tintin are the ones claiming that the new Covenant abolishes the old laws and commandments. I am asking you for scripture that supports that belief, and as I said already, I want to discuss this in a civil manner, you are the one that is being arrogant. And if I am right in my finding, it is not me you are calling ignorant, it is the Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible. God is the judge.

you're a liar.
neither Tin nor i said the New Covenant abolishes Law.
we read the New Testament for our Law.
all christian do.

i don't know what you are.

.....

are you going to PROVE YOUR THING ABOUT CONSTANTINE ESTABLISHING THIS FALSE RELIGION CHRISTIANITY OR NOT?

start NOW - presumably you have all the proof at hand.
arrogant.

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

so PROVE AWAY...maybe you didn't "draw" Tin "out"

i'll do.
where's your documentation?
WHERE?

cite your sources.

 

[zone]

Zone, you and Tintin are the ones claiming that the new Covenant abolishes the old laws and commandments. I am asking you for scripture that supports that belief, and as I said already, I want to discuss this in a civil manner, you are the one that is being arrogant. And if I am right in my finding, it is not me you are calling ignorant, it is the Holy Spirit that wrote the Bible. God is the judge.

STOP WASTING MY TIME.
post your assertions and cite your sources.

 

[morninglory]

When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made youalive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

(Collosians 2:13-19)

are we saved or condemned by the festivals we keep, or by the God we serve?

Postman, you quote col.2.16, and do ot realize that Paul was giving clearance to the Collosians to function in the Jews Religion. It is a matter of history that the Roman calendar was not accepted into the Christian faith until the Aposltes were all Dead. Notice Acts 16.20-21 "--these men, being Jews do exceedingly trouble our city, and teach customs which are not lawful for us to receive, neither to observe, being Romans". You can google the old Roman calendar, and see that it had 15 and 30 days segments called nons and ides, so they did not have a seven day week, so no Sabbaths. The months were based on the gods of the seasons, so no new moons. Also, the Romans did not put restrictions on what was eaten or drank, so what Paul was saying there has been misunderstood. Am I the enemy because I tell the truth others have not realized yet? I am not here against the faith or the truth, if I don't speak the truth, then there should be evidence of that.

 

[zone]

Postman, you quote col.2.16, and do ot realize that Paul was giving clearance to the Collosians to function in the Jews Religion.

garbage.
Hebrew Roots antichrist dogma

 

[morninglory]

STOP WASTING MY TIME.
post your assertions and cite your sources.

Zone, your underscore quotes, "sooner or later somebody is going to insist that the Bible be studied", well that is what I did, only I did it as a personal choice. I familiarized myself with the whole and express word of God, and that is all I rely on concerning the faith. I ask you again, what is your scriptural evidence that the new covenant abolished the laws and commandments if we do them by choice- as led by the Spirit?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I see you did not read the scriptures I gave you on the other thread. Abraham was not circumcised because it was the law, he was circumcised as an act of faith, it is the faith of Abraham that the Gentiles are called to. So knowing that the act of circumcision cannot make us righteous, as Paul clearly made known, I ask you, is it wrong to be circumcised as an act of Faith as our Father Abraham did?

Again, you demonstrate how little you know the word. Abraham circumcised himself, his family, and his servants because he was commanded to by GOD to do so. It was the law of that covenant. Those who didn't obey the law were cut off from the people of GOD.

And once again, instead of admitting that you were wrong regarding circumcision becoming uncircumcision, you are now trying deflect the conversation onto something else.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

they hate Galatians. and that Paul made CLEAR the new covenant contains all the commandments of God from the OT (NO SABBATH though which they don't understand).

they do not receive instruction from the New Covenant Testament, they look for ways to circumvent the Old Covenant Laws to pretend they are religious.

that's what paul said.
and that's what they don't like.

Without faith it is impossible to please GOD; without faith all you're left with is the old covenant and its law. It was planned this way. The scandal (trip-snare) of the cross.

 

[zone]

Zone, your underscore quotes, "sooner or later somebody is going to insist that the Bible be studied", well that is what I did, only I did it as a personal choice. I familiarized myself with the whole and express word of God, and that is all I rely on concerning the faith. I ask you again, what is your scriptural evidence that the new covenant abolished the laws and commandments if we do them by choice- as led by the Spirit?

again...stop lying about me.
FIND ME SAYING THAT ANYWHERE.

you are an enemy of the Cross, and i will post until you prove this assertion:

I ask you again, what is your scriptural evidence that the new covenant abolished the laws and commandments if we do them by choice- as led by the Spirit?

i follow NEW TESTAMENT LAW.....OVER 1000 COMMANDS.
DO YOU KNOW THEM?

Jesus Christ abolished the Old and brought in the New.

now about that ignorance.
do you want help with that?

and Constantine: proofs:
















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and, Paul's hard sayings:
















........

come on now.....i can go the distance.

 

[zone]

Without faith it is impossible to please GOD; without faith all you're left with is the old covenant and its law. It was planned this way. The scandal (trip-snare) of the cross.

and they come in here with the highest of arrogance.
they do not know they are blind and dead and naked.

but very religious

 

[zone]

Zone, your underscore quotes, "sooner or later somebody is going to insist that the Bible be studied", well that is what I did, only I did it as a personal choice. I familiarized myself with the whole and express word of God, and that is all I rely on concerning the faith. I ask you again, what is your scriptural evidence that the new covenant abolished the laws and commandments if we do them by choice- as led by the Spirit?

you are wasting my time. i have very little for today's Judaizers.
but since you lie with impunity and malign the NEW NEW NEW Covenant, i'll make an exception.

get back to your topic..about Constantine.

CITE




YOUR




SOURCES.

 

[morninglory]

garbage.
Hebrew Roots antichrist dogma

That is your defence? It doesn't get any more anemic than that! If you are not here to teach, then why are you here? If you are here to teach, then you are directed in scripture to make full proof of your ministry. 2Tim.4.2-5, 1 Tim.1.7-9

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Zone, your underscore quotes, "sooner or later somebody is going to insist that the Bible be studied", well that is what I did, only I did it as a personal choice. I familiarized myself with the whole and express word of God, and that is all I rely on concerning the faith. I ask you again, what is your scriptural evidence that the new covenant abolished the laws and commandments if we do them by choice- as led by the Spirit?

Here's an express one for you.

For [Christ] is our peace, who has made both [Jew and gentile] one, destroying the middle wall of the barrier, the enmity, in his flesh; having abolished the law (nomos) of commandments (entoles) contained in ordinances (dogmas); that of the two he should make in himself one new man, so making peace. Ephesians 2:14-15​

 

[zone]

That is your defence? It doesn't get any more anemic than that! If you are not here to teach, then why are you here? If you are here to teach, then you are directed in scripture to make full proof of your ministry. 2Tim.4.2-5, 1 Tim.1.7-9

no sweetie pie.
you started a thread....gonna teach us all about Constantine and Paul.
and your long lost knowledge - i presume that means you pretend you keep Mosaic Law.

so TEACH GIRL.

i'll make time to debunk all your JUNK. i know where you got it, but CITE THOSE SOURCES...but i think you're scared to.

GO!


don't forget to cite your sources.
although at this point it is evident you have NOTHING.
except arrogance and ignorance.
a foolish combo.

i'll check back later to see if you can go the distance.

 

[zone]

you are wasting my time. i have very little for today's Judaizers.
but since you lie with impunity and malign the NEW NEW NEW Covenant, i'll make an exception.

get back to your topic..about Constantine.

CITE




YOUR




SOURCES.

That is your defence? It doesn't get any more anemic than that! If you are not here to teach, then why are you here? If you are here to teach, then you are directed in scripture to make full proof of your ministry. 2Tim.4.2-5, 1 Tim.1.7-9

whats taking so long?

 

[zone]

Zone, your underscore quotes, "sooner or later somebody is going to insist that the Bible be studied", well that is what I did, only I did it as a personal choice. I familiarized myself with the whole and express word of God, and that is all I rely on concerning the faith.

how religious of you.
and, you're lying again.
you went to Rabbinic Sources.
we hear this - i learned not from men by by God alone - just me and my Bible - which is a lie, since He will not contradict himself, and He established a

NEW COVENANT

ever heard of it/ it's found in the

NEW TESTAMENT

I ask you again, what is your scriptural evidence that the new covenant abolished the laws and commandments if we do them by choice- as led by the Spirit?

and i will remind you to be certain you find me saying this anywhere.