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OK. Thanks. This is very interesting. So when you say, “a fake believer who exalts himself above all that is called God (the bible) and sits on God’s throne…” are you saying this is a person who will appear on earth in fulfillment of biblical prophecy? Is this still a future event and, if so, how does this person sit on God’s throne? What does that mean?
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The Roman army led by Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Titus's father was emperor in Rome at that time.
The prince was the emperor, Titus and the army were the people of the prince.
This is not the Anti-Christ.
Verse 26 begins "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off"
Verse 27 begins "And he shall confirm the covenant"
Could not "HE" refer back to the Messiah?
The word "confirm" seems to denote something already in existence.
The definite article "THE" again seem to denote something already in existence.
As I look at the entire passage, Dan 9:24-27, It seems to me that "HE" refers back to the Messiah.
The Messiah confirmed the covenant made by God to send a savior who would pay for all mankind's sins on the cross when he was cut off.
Is there any other verse that proves the OP?
Titus's father was emperor in Rome at that time.
The prince was the emperor, Titus and the army were the people of the prince.
This is not the Anti-Christ.
Verse 26 begins "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off"
Verse 27 begins "And he shall confirm the covenant"
Could not "HE" refer back to the Messiah?
The word "confirm" seems to denote something already in existence.
The definite article "THE" again seem to denote something already in existence.
As I look at the entire passage, Dan 9:24-27, It seems to me that "HE" refers back to the Messiah.
The Messiah confirmed the covenant made by God to send a savior who would pay for all mankind's sins on the cross when he was cut off.
Is there any other verse that proves the OP?
I don't think this is talking about a specific person nor "The Antichrist". This type of person has always been around but in my opinion NOW his kind has been revealed. Verse 8 says "that Wicked", not referrring to a single person but Wicked in general.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
A person sits on God's throne - the true throne, our hearts, by being the god of his or her own life.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
A person sits on God's throne - the true throne, our hearts, by being the god of his or her own life.
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[FONT="]24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.[/FONT]
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I did not say I did not believe in the Anti-Christ. If I implied that, forgive me.
The Man of Sin, Anti-Christ will come. He will make war on the saints for 1260 days. He will drive Israel into the wilderness where God will protect them for 1260 days. I believe he will kill the two witnesses, throw a party as their dead bodies lay in the street three and a half days. I believe he will demand to be worshiped as God.
He will come.
What I do not believe is that Dan. 9 says anything about the Anti-Christ and I do not believe he will make a peace treaty with Israel that allow Israel build the temple and institute the OT worship system again.
The Man of Sin, Anti-Christ will come. He will make war on the saints for 1260 days. He will drive Israel into the wilderness where God will protect them for 1260 days. I believe he will kill the two witnesses, throw a party as their dead bodies lay in the street three and a half days. I believe he will demand to be worshiped as God.
He will come.
What I do not believe is that Dan. 9 says anything about the Anti-Christ and I do not believe he will make a peace treaty with Israel that allow Israel build the temple and institute the OT worship system again.
The Bible says the Roman Empire shall not lose their dominion until God puts them down,which at the end time they will split the world in to ten section with a leader in each section,which John said is a kingdom to come in the future,and will continue a short space,three and one half years,which the little horn comes from the ten horns.
The prince to come shall come from the people that overthrew Jerusalem,the Roman Empire.
Daniel chapter 9:26 speaks of the antichrist,and continues speaking about him in verse 27,that he will establish a 7 years covenant with Israel that will be a peace plan in the Middle East allowing the Jews to rebuild their temple,and go back to animal sacrifices,which the man of sin will step in to their temple midway through the 7 years,and tell them to stop animal sacrifices,and that he is their God and Messiah.
Judas is not the antichrist for he is not of the Roman Empire,which when it mentions him as the son of perdition it is because he was influenced by Satan and betrayed Jesus,which the last king will be mighty but not by his own power,but gets his power from Satan,and goes against Christianity,so he is known as the antichrist,and son of perdition.
The great tribulation is for three and one half years,but the man of sin will establish a 7 years covenant giving peace in the Middle East,and then will work for the first three and one half years pushing the new age movement,which is about harnessing the power of nature,which he convinces the world he harnessed the power of nature and achieved power midway through the 7 years period.
The 7 years period is a future event.
During the first three and one half years the world will operate by the ten horn kingdom that covers the earth,that only rules for a short space,three and one half years,but they failed at maintaining peace as the world experienced the worse war ever,and they do not trust government anymore to maintain peace on earth,and governments collapse,and they turn to the antichrist.
During the first half of the 7 years period there is a unified religious system which all religions are valid for spiritual evolution with a false interpretation of Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,but when the beast claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature,and there is no personal God to help mankind,so the beast is top dog,then the unified religious system collapses.
That is the plan of the beast to cause the collapse of all governments and religions,and to make war one at a time with Islam,Christianity,and Judaism,because of their belief in a personal God.Islam during the first three and one half years which that war is why the world turns to the beast to maintain peace,and in the middle of the 7 years period,war against the Christians,and then after the tribulation is over,then war against the Jews,the battle of Armageddon.
There are 7 kings,5 are fallen.1.Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4.Medo-Persia 5.Greece.One is at the time wrote Revelation.6.The Roman Empire 7.Ten horn kingdom which will rule for a short space,the first three and one half years 8.The last king,the beast,will rule for the last three and one half years,which is of the 7 beasts,which means Satan influenced all those kingdoms.
It is a 7 years period and not a three and one half years period,for the first three and one half years did not occur in the past.
The 7th king,the ten horn kingdom,fails at maintaining peace,and they turn to the beast,which the one of his heads were wounded,but the deadly wound was healed,which means the 7th king,the ten horns that failed caused the world to lose hope for having peace on earth,but the beast restored order and gave them hope,and the deadly would was healed,and convinced the world he harnessed the power of nature and obtained power,and the world says who can make war against the beast,for they believe he has the power to establish his kingdom and no foe can stand against him.
The 7th king,the ten horns,hand their power over to the beast,so they have to be there when the beast comes to power,also the wound of the ten horns is healed so they have to be there when the beast comes to power.
7 years period,the ten horns rule for a short space,the first three and one half years,they failed,they hand their power over to the beast,and he comes to power and takes over the world,for the ten horns cover the world,and he rules for the last three one half years.
The prince to come shall come from the people that overthrew Jerusalem,the Roman Empire.
Daniel chapter 9:26 speaks of the antichrist,and continues speaking about him in verse 27,that he will establish a 7 years covenant with Israel that will be a peace plan in the Middle East allowing the Jews to rebuild their temple,and go back to animal sacrifices,which the man of sin will step in to their temple midway through the 7 years,and tell them to stop animal sacrifices,and that he is their God and Messiah.
Judas is not the antichrist for he is not of the Roman Empire,which when it mentions him as the son of perdition it is because he was influenced by Satan and betrayed Jesus,which the last king will be mighty but not by his own power,but gets his power from Satan,and goes against Christianity,so he is known as the antichrist,and son of perdition.
The great tribulation is for three and one half years,but the man of sin will establish a 7 years covenant giving peace in the Middle East,and then will work for the first three and one half years pushing the new age movement,which is about harnessing the power of nature,which he convinces the world he harnessed the power of nature and achieved power midway through the 7 years period.
The 7 years period is a future event.
During the first three and one half years the world will operate by the ten horn kingdom that covers the earth,that only rules for a short space,three and one half years,but they failed at maintaining peace as the world experienced the worse war ever,and they do not trust government anymore to maintain peace on earth,and governments collapse,and they turn to the antichrist.
During the first half of the 7 years period there is a unified religious system which all religions are valid for spiritual evolution with a false interpretation of Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,but when the beast claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature,and there is no personal God to help mankind,so the beast is top dog,then the unified religious system collapses.
That is the plan of the beast to cause the collapse of all governments and religions,and to make war one at a time with Islam,Christianity,and Judaism,because of their belief in a personal God.Islam during the first three and one half years which that war is why the world turns to the beast to maintain peace,and in the middle of the 7 years period,war against the Christians,and then after the tribulation is over,then war against the Jews,the battle of Armageddon.
There are 7 kings,5 are fallen.1.Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4.Medo-Persia 5.Greece.One is at the time wrote Revelation.6.The Roman Empire 7.Ten horn kingdom which will rule for a short space,the first three and one half years 8.The last king,the beast,will rule for the last three and one half years,which is of the 7 beasts,which means Satan influenced all those kingdoms.
It is a 7 years period and not a three and one half years period,for the first three and one half years did not occur in the past.
The 7th king,the ten horn kingdom,fails at maintaining peace,and they turn to the beast,which the one of his heads were wounded,but the deadly wound was healed,which means the 7th king,the ten horns that failed caused the world to lose hope for having peace on earth,but the beast restored order and gave them hope,and the deadly would was healed,and convinced the world he harnessed the power of nature and obtained power,and the world says who can make war against the beast,for they believe he has the power to establish his kingdom and no foe can stand against him.
The 7th king,the ten horns,hand their power over to the beast,so they have to be there when the beast comes to power,also the wound of the ten horns is healed so they have to be there when the beast comes to power.
7 years period,the ten horns rule for a short space,the first three and one half years,they failed,they hand their power over to the beast,and he comes to power and takes over the world,for the ten horns cover the world,and he rules for the last three one half years.
My own view is that the passages in Matt 24; 15 and Mark 13:14 were directed at the Disciples and their generation. He says when YOU see the abomination of desolation not when THEY see it as if its a message for 2017. It happened in their lifetime. Christs reference to Daniel refers to Antiochus Epiphanes who desecrated the temple by erecting a statue of Jupiter in it and sacrificed a sow on the alter. This happened well into the future as far as Daniel was concerned so for him and his contemporaries it was a prophecy. In the time of Jesus it was well known to have happened. The festival of dedication (Hannukah) marked the cleansing of the Temple by the Maccabees. What he may saying was that what happened then was going to happen again only worse. That's what 'the reader' was supposed to understand. The mention of an image of the beast erected in a holy place for people to worship dosn't mention a Jewish temple. One thing that has stood in the holy place for many centuries is the Dome of the Rock just a thought.