Anyone Else Been Kicked out of Church?

[ji]

I've learned that when you don't understand what someone is saying, the best thing to do is ask them what they mean. The reason why is because no language alone can capture the language of the soul (or all the ways we communicate). Seeing that most communication is non-verbal, it should be reasonable that not only will we not understand all a person is saying when we hear them but that we can understand much less when we have to read and don't even hear the person. When I pray, I often have to go from English to Spanish to Igbo as English alone can't express all I'm trying to say (and that's the reason for the prayer language). People say things differently. I've seen two people argue who are actually saying the same thing but in different ways. I believe that besides the tower of Babel, one reason God created many languages is to show in the natural the supernatural truth that one language is not sufficient for communication.

That is wrong,the reason why God confused the language of people and many began to speak in different tongues(babel tower incident,the tower to reach to the firmament called 'heaven',i must say that God's perfect lighting and climate control system.) because God wanted to confuse mankind so that they don't unite to build it again.

Now also because of that we are divided,and in God we are united not through languages.But we have a language now that can bring people together to build it again Spiritually and satanically...the one language we are using...

So if God confused,God will rectify things even if we speak in different tongues and languages.But if man tries to rectify,the babel tower will fall down again,and this time will be the last time they ever tried...

 

[cjordan38]

Be happy you got put out. Jesus said if the city not recieve you, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. For it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah, in the day of judgement, than for that city. Im glad Paul said what he said about women in the church. He explained it so well....im glad women can teach in the church and speak in the church. If m1n reads the Word and Rightfully divide it they will see that women can teach. And what Paul was saying. Also this prophet God is going to get him. You have to tell satan that you see him and know his works then send him away and bind him up.

 

[Vaudeville]

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While we're on this issue, I'd like to address another one: men and responsibility. If God told you to give a controversial word at your church and you knew it would cause a commotion, would you do i.

this is your problem Allin. God isn`t telling you to do anything like that.

 

[Allin]

Om

can you distinguish between churches please? what churches have people in the bondage of fear. i know many do. i just want to know if you know which KIND. your sweeping generalizations are not good. stop encouraging people to leave church.

we have people moaning about lack of church membership and equating this with lack of faith. i suspect it's this "churches are bad, stay at home" that's causing it.

and your small group fellowships most often become cults, btw. because somebody will always become the "leader". better hope your leaders are qaulified according to nt doctrine, and that they aren't on power trips. like the pastors everyone seems to despise.

Stereotypes aren't good, but I don't know where generalizing actually became bad. It tends to make people uncomfortable, but that doesn't make it bad. It's like when people have told me that I'm 'too analytical'. I then want to ask them what the still mysterious definition for 'too' is. They're really saying to me, our analyzing makes me uncomfortable'. Being analytical has gotten and will get me a lot of things. God and people in the Bible made a lot of generalizations; it makes people uncomfortable, but it's not bad nor a sin. But if it makes someone stumble, then it's time to distinguish what I'm saying rather than lumping everything together


I want you to recall how Paul told his Damascus road experience several times and each story was differently told. You have to be willing to come out of your comfort zone and meet people halfway too rather than expecting that if something feels bad to you, then it's bad for all. I'm talking here about your statement that I'm encouraging people to leave churches. If you want to see things from both sides so that your viewpoint isn't just yours, then you must be willing to compare what is church today with the biblical pattern. If you don't, then you're only seeing from one side and so your viewpoint is not valid. Professional debaters don't only learn their side of things but also the side of those they debate with; if they only studied their side, they'd have little chance of winning a debate against an equal or greater opponent. Christianity lacks power (and that's a generalization) often because Christians only learn our side of things ('the Bible') and so don't know how to relate to others where they are or how to take on the enemy. House churches do tend to degenerate into cults, but common churches tend to already be acceptable cults. A cult is basically a group that follows the teaching of one or few; most churches do fit this definition though they don't dress weird or move off into farm communities. It isn't however the look of a thing but the definition tat defines it.

Finally, yes there does tend to be a resident fear in churches. The Bible says that when the Spirit is allowed to rule in a place, there is liberty (people are allowed to be themselves). My dad took me and my siblings to many different church denominations growing up, and I've been to many other churches, mostly non-denominational, since then. I haven't been to one church where people felt comfortable actually being themselves. The Bible says unequivocally that this means the Lord isn't Lord in that church. Why is this hard to believe. John reiterates that "there is no fear in Love". The fear I speak about comes about because people generally don't feel they can share certain things, be totally honest, etc., without being condemned or looked down on.

 

[Vaudeville]

I've learned that when you don't understand what someone is saying, the best thing to do is ask them what they mean. The reason why is because no language alone can capture the language of the soul (or all the ways we communicate). Seeing that most communication is non-verbal, it should be reasonable that not only will we not understand all a person is saying when we hear them but that we can understand much less when we have to read and don't even hear the person. When I pray, I often have to go from English to Spanish to Igbo as English alone can't express all I'm trying to say (and that's the reason for the prayer language). People say things differently. I've seen two people argue who are actually saying the same thing but in different ways. I believe that besides the tower of Babel, one reason God created many languages is to show in the natural the supernatural truth that one language is not sufficient for communication.

thats very interesting.
the post was clear:

My leaving was mutal.

Then I was able to talk to the Father and Jesus,
do as I learnt until they BOTH appeared to me.
I am gifted.
I care about all people and share with all people BUT I do not go to Church.

The "Christian Law of Liberty" does not include indoctrination.

God and Jesus are outside of Church

claiming Father and Son appeared to her (i dont believe it - do you), and claiming they are outside the very church Christ died for.
total nonsense and typical of people who will not just rest in Christ and fellowship quietly in peace.
they usually have a pet heterodox or heretical doctrine to grind.

 

[Allin]

this is your problem Allin. God isn`t telling you to do anything like that.

i

I'm not going to argue. I didn't say God told me to do what I did. The question was whether you would do something that others wouldn't like if God told you to. It's not my problem at all; if you want to call it a problem, then it's every Christian's problem to obey God, beginning first with us men. God does sooner or later tell or call us to make a controversial stand to see if our loyalty really is to Him or own safety. Before He exposed seven satanist posers in a church to me, He'd done so to the resident pastors... but they wanted to avoid controversy and a church split and so didn't obey God. Your times have come and will come when God will test you by prodding you to do something that will make you feel uncomfortable and uncovered. It will be up to you what you will do at that time.

 

[Vaudeville]

Om

Stereotypes aren't good, but I don't know where generalizing actually became bad. It tends to make people uncomfortable, but that doesn't make it bad. It's like when people have told me that I'm 'too analytical'. I then want to ask them what the still mysterious definition for 'too' is. They're really saying to me, our analyzing makes me uncomfortable'. Being analytical has gotten and will get me a lot of things. God and people in the Bible made a lot of generalizations; it makes people uncomfortable, but it's not bad nor a sin. But if it makes someone stumble, then it's time to distinguish what I'm saying rather than lumping everything together


I want you to recall how Paul told his Damascus road experience several times and each story was differently told. You have to be willing to come out of your comfort zone and meet people halfway too rather than expecting that if something feels bad to you, then it's bad for all. I'm talking here about your statement that I'm encouraging people to leave churches. If you want to see things from both sides so that your viewpoint isn't just yours, then you must be willing to compare what is church today with the biblical pattern. If you don't, then you're only seeing from one side and so your viewpoint is not valid. Professional debaters don't only learn their side of things but also the side of those they debate with; if they only studied their side, they'd have little chance of winning a debate against an equal or greater opponent. Christianity lacks power (and that's a generalization) often because Christians only learn our side of things ('the Bible') and so don't know how to relate to others where they are or how to take on the enemy. House churches do tend to degenerate into cults, but common churches tend to already be acceptable cults. A cult is basically a group that follows the teaching of one or few; most churches do fit this definition though they don't dress weird or move off into farm communities. It isn't however the look of a thing but the definition tat defines it.

Finally, yes there does tend to be a resident fear in churches. The Bible says that when the Spirit is allowed to rule in a place, there is liberty (people are allowed to be themselves). My dad took me and my siblings to many different church denominations growing up, and I've been to many other churches, mostly non-denominational, since then. I haven't been to one church where people felt comfortable actually being themselves. The Bible says unequivocally that this means the Lord isn't Lord in that church. Why is this hard to believe. John reiterates that "there is no fear in Love". The fear I speak about comes about because people generally don't feel they can share certain things, be totally honest, etc., without being condemned or looked down on.

well, i doubt youll get different results by doing the same thing over and over.
research the kinds of churches youre going to.
if there is fear, its because theyre preaching too much law, or because they have some super-prophet no one can challenge.

anyway, best wishes to you. the home church thing isnt working out. youll find in fact people are returning to the ìnstitutionalized churches again. theyve had it with homespun theology and unqualified teachers. and no order. but to each their own.

 

[Allin]

thats very interesting.
the post was clear:



claiming Father and Son appeared to her (i dont believe it - do you), and claiming they are outside the very church Christ died for.
total nonsense and typical of people who will not just rest in Christ and fellowship quietly in peace.
they usually have a pet heterodox or heretical doctrine to grind.

Okay, you're going to have to stop with disdaining others' beliefs. You started peacefully and just today began going into a tirade. Don't belittle or disdain what people say here even if you don't agree. You show what the Bible calls pride and folly (folly means you may think much of yourself but you're to be pitied). You have no idea where you measure in God's eyes and the grand scheme. God resists (and disdains) the proud but gives Grace to the humble. Settle down or I'll be reporting you to the admin. too.

 

[danalee]

That is wrong,the reason why God confused the language of people and many began to speak in different tongues(babel tower incident,the tower to reach to the firmament called 'heaven',i must say that God's perfect lighting and climate control system.) because God wanted to confuse mankind so that they don't unite to build it again.

Now also because of that we are divided,and in God we are united not through languages.But we have a language now that can bring people together to build it again Spiritually and satanically...the one language we are using...

So if God confused,God will rectify things even if we speak in different tongues and languages.But if man tries to rectify,the babel tower will fall down again,and this time will be the last time they ever tried...

Hi ji. Nice post. hugs hugs

 

[danalee]

Okay, you're going to have to stop with disdaining others' beliefs. You started peacefully and just today began going into a tirade. Don't belittle or disdain what people say here even if you don't agree. You show what the Bible calls pride and folly (folly means you may think much of yourself but you're to be pitied). You have no idea where you measure in God's eyes and the grand scheme. God resists (and disdains) the proud but gives Grace to the humble. Settle down or I'll be reporting you to the admin. too.

allin sweetie, this is the internet. I'm trying to help you here. Just ignore the people you don't want to debate. it's not going to get better it's going to get worse.

I used to play on the stock boards. If you grow up there you can handle anything! Haha

 

[Vaudeville]

I didn't say God told me to do what I did.

i thought you did say that. maybe you werent clear.

In summer '12, I was standing outside a church that did a lot of prophetic stuff, waiting to go in for the service when the Lord (Jesus) began to speak to me. He told me clearly to leave that church and that He would lead me to a fellowship of likeminded believers whom He affectionately called, "The Lord's people" several times.

When I returned to institutionai church looking for this fellowship, He reminded me of what the angel said to those who went to Jesus' tomb to find Him: "Why do you seek the living (Jesus) among the dead (institutional churches that keep Jesus at a distance when their programs)." I didn't get it and kept looking. A few days ago, He made it clear that I'd be leaving the church I got put out of today. I got put out, and now I get it. The truth is that something is either real or it's not; churches today give God a very little space to actually do anything (worship, sermon, and ending prayer) because they want to keep full control of all aspects of their lives. Even practically it doesn't make sense to pay loads for a building and even more to maintain it weekly but only use it once or two days or just several hours a week. When you start asking questions or state that you want something more realistic, you end up rocking the boat.

....most times I was in church and had to talk to God about anything important, I literally had to step outside the church where He was basically waiting.

 

[Vaudeville]

Okay, you're going to have to stop with disdaining others' beliefs. You started peacefully and just today began going into a tirade. Don't belittle or disdain what people say here even if you don't agree. You show what the Bible calls pride and folly (folly means you may think much of yourself but you're to be pitied). You have no idea where you measure in God's eyes and the grand scheme. God resists (and disdains) the proud but gives Grace to the humble. Settle down or I'll be reporting you to the admin. too.

well do as you see fit.
people who claim the Father has appeared to them are lying.
and claiming Christ has abandoned his church is obscene.

 

[Allin]

well do as you see fit.
people who claim the Father has appeared to them are lying.
and claiming Christ has abandoned his church is obscene.

It always takes humility to ask a person what they mean BEFORE you disagree with them. Animals disagree and fight all the time. It doesn't take some genius to say, "I'm better than you; I know better than you." Even chickens do this; all through the animal kingdom, you have rank and hierarchy. Humans who do this are lower than they are aware. Jesus told His disciples, "You know that the rulers of the gentiles... lord it over [those under them]... But it is not to be so with you." It's pride in us that makes us disagree with or reject someone or thing without first finding out what is going on or who they are. Pride, at its foundation, says, "I AM RIGHT." satan took the bait as did Adam and everyone else since: "I am right, I am right." God is right and we're all wrong otherwise Jesus would never have needed to die.

Without humility, people will always fight. If you don't agree with someone, before you say it, ASK them what they are saying. If after that you disagree, then just talk rather than trying to get your views across as the superior or smarter one. Christians wonder why there's so little effect and revivals I'm the churches. How can there be when you're all constantly fighting. Fight, fight, fight. Will God, the highest King, presence for a second such an inferior darkness.

 

[Vaudeville]

It always takes humility to ask a person what they mean BEFORE you disagree with them.

i know the poster from another forum. i know what she meant.

 

[Allin]

That is wrong,the reason why God confused the language of people and many began to speak in different tongues(babel tower incident,the tower to reach to the firmament called 'heaven',i must say that God's perfect lighting and climate control system.) because God wanted to confuse mankind so that they don't unite to build it again.

I'll try to make this fast. I'm on my phone. God didn't need to confuse the languages at Babel to split the people up; He did it that way to accomplish several things at once. First, "God is not the author of confusion but of peace as in all the churches of the Saints" (1Cor14); second, God could've used something else if His intention in creating languages was solely to stop the building of Babel: "The earth was divided (scientists call it Pangea) in the days of Peleg." Babel incident isn't only hishistoric; it's also for spiritual teaching. Part of that teaching is that God told Adam to "he fruitful, multiply, and replenish (FILL) the earth"; when they settled in one place rather than following God's directive, He changed their languages (literally, tongues) and moved them to spread out and fill the earth just as He said. So yes, historically, God 'confused' (though He's not the author of confusion) the languages at Babel too stop the building; but spiritually, there's a lot more to it than that. One of them regarding languages is to confirm that no one language is sufficient for communication. If this wasn't true, there couldn't be so many dialects and languages in the worlu.... unless God created them all... and we know He didn't.

 

[JesusLives]

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I'm not going to argue. I didn't say God told me to do what I did. The question was whether you would do something that others wouldn't like if God told you to. It's not my problem at all; if you want to call it a problem, then it's every Christian's problem to obey God, beginning first with us men. God does sooner or later tell or call us to make a controversial stand to see if our loyalty really is to Him or own safety. Before He exposed seven satanist posers in a church to me, He'd done so to the resident pastors... but they wanted to avoid controversy and a church split and so didn't obey God. Your times have come and will come when God will test you by prodding you to do something that will make you feel uncomfortable and uncovered. It will be up to you what you will do at that time.

Doing something for God is not always controversial either. I was going to a weekend special meeting and felt that God wanted me to sing a song at the end of the meeting. I was saying really? This is not a church I usually go to I was a guest visiting and I didn't really want to do it, but I said o.k. I will ask the pastor of that church and leave it up to him.

I approached the pastor with my request to sing the song at the very end of the meeting and that I would sing for him so he would know if I could really sing or not all the time I was in hopes he would turn me down as I did not want to do it, but felt God wanted me to sing. Anyway, his music director listened to me sing one line and said o.k. you will sing. I then began to get nervous, but kept talking to God saying o.k. you want me to do this because you opened the way.

I did sing without any music to back me up - The song sang was Are You Ready For Jesus To Come. I was so glad when it was over, but I was glad I listened and obeyed God too. So the point is when God tells you to do something it is best to listen. The thing is I do like to sing, but I don't feel I have a good solo voice as I usually sing in a group and love to do harmony. But for what ever the reason God wanted me to do it with just Him that day so I did. I felt the fear but did it anyway. Thank God for His abiding presence.

 

[dcontroversal]

You have no clue about what acid tripping is. No one can help someone that is high on that. It is a matter of waiting it out until it wears off.

It almost sounds like you speak based upon experience.... HAHHAAH Down the rabbit hole we go...la la la lalalal lal lalal

 

[parablepete]

Your title got my attention. I read all of your post. The post has so many probllems with it.

I don't mean to be a know it all, because, I am not.

The bible teaches the women are to be silient in the church during the Worship, the men are to lead. You know the vs. What make you think things are easyier under Christ? Read Matt. 5, we are to give our ALL to God. Second God spoke to you? This nut also thinks God is talking to him. God speaks to us threw his Holy Word the Bible, we speake to him thru Prayer. Thats it!

Now what they did to you was wrong. They should have said lets study what the bible says about the subject.

Acts 2: 47 Christ adds us to his church, no one can kick us out. We can be disfellowshiped.

I was hoping Sea Bass, Liz, Oldhermit, one of my brothers are sister had commented.

I get tired of seeing people wollowing in their own igornance. Study the Bible! Please don't take our word for it Study your sould depent on it. You are being lied to on many fronts. Sorry to be so foward but its TRUE!

 

[phil112]

It almost sounds like you speak based upon experience.... HAHHAAH Down the rabbit hole we go...la la la lalalal lal lalal

Now, Brother Dcon, why would you think such a thing?

 

[Allin]

i know the poster from another forum. i know what she meant.

Contrary to popular belief, Christianity isn't a group or gang; we don't attack those who don't believe like we do as if we're apes. Instead, we reason with them like human beings. Even if she's preaching against Christ, it doesn't make your attacks suddenly justified. A Christian may respond to an attack by attacking, and it isn't justified; do you think attacking someone who didn't attack you can find justification in any court. "I know what she meant." Who has ever been justified for attacking someone for their different beliefs whatever those beliefs were. You don't win people with aggression. Rather, the Bible says that Love covers a multitude of sins and further says, "If a man is overtaken in any sin, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness" (Gal. 6:1). It then says, "Bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ" (v. 2). You apparently weren't trying to restore that one since you didn't use gentleness. What then is your purpose for addressing her.