Anyone Else Been Kicked out of Church?

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Grrr...six satanists? I believe it. I've heard those people say they do this kind of crap and they do. Good for you....you might be given a natural gift by God to make a stand. I can see that truth in you. Just remember who the enemy is, it's easy to lose perspective. :)
There were seven. satanists are assigned to basically every church... basically. They are on a mission to hinder the moves of God, and when they remain undiscerned, they will usually do just that. As for gifts, we are all too exercise (to use purposely and with purpose) our discernment. We all have it. The Holy Spirit was telling the pastors about the satanists long before I got there, but they weren't listening or exercising discernment, because they were looking for prestige and recognition in the Christian world. It's good to know that this happens everyday so that when we go to church, we can be more aware and yet not suspicious of people.
 
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Danalee, I think that you will find caring and loving people at church that will pray for you and help you. I don't know your situation, therefore I cannot advise. But, no one ever got hurt by going to church and praising Jesus that I know of.

Love ya
Thank you. I have my sad days and it's not of God. He doesn't teach me to be without faith - so when I posted that I immediately regretted it. My sister has a lovely church that I attend some times and it's not that bad. I was being way too dramatic. :) That's why I kind of left for a moment because I wasn't really proud of that comment.
 
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I had to type all these replies quickly because I have to get going for the night! Be back tomorrow, and goodnight to everyone.
 
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People can argue and debate on here but not accuse or belittle others. When someone says stop, it's time to stop. That's called couth or common courtesy. No one needs to attack anyone else; since this is a thread that I started, I'm willing to make sure it doesn't keep happening.

I'm guilty of not following the thread and I saw where he may have inferred a lack in communication skills. Well, I've seen how conversations can degrade between some really valuable posters and usually I try and stay out of it. We can always practice our skills in handling comments like that with taking a higher road. And I guess if you feel that strongly about it you do what you think is best. I'm sorry for butting in.
 
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My leaving was mutal.

Then I was able to talk to the Father and Jesus,
do as I learnt until they BOTH appeared to me.
I am gifted.
I care about all people and share with all people BUT I do not go to Church.

The "Christian Law of Liberty" does not include indoctrination.

God and Jesus are outside of Church
 
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Thank you. I have my sad days and it's not of God. He doesn't teach me to be without faith - so when I posted that I immediately regretted it. My sister has a lovely church that I attend some times and it's not that bad. I was being way too dramatic. :) That's why I kind of left for a moment because I wasn't really proud of that comment.
Love ya sister, Just keep seeking and knocking and asking. God is great big God and can do more than we ask or think. Just don't give up, never ever give up. When fall, get up and square your shoulders call that devil a liar and call on Jesus. Look when you don't know what else to pray and you can't find the words to say........... Just say His name.
 
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I'm guilty of not following the thread and I saw where he may have inferred a lack in communication skills. Well, I've seen how conversations can degrade between some really valuable posters and usually I try and stay out of it. We can always practice our skills in handling comments like that with taking a higher road. And I guess if you feel that strongly about it you do what you think is best. I'm sorry for butting in.[/UOTE]

Yes, I feel that strongly about it and am doing what is best. Jesus had the whole truth and still didn't force it on others. You don't defend the Word with aggression. It doesn't work for most people. As for feeling strongly about things, someone better start feeling and doing strongly. We've long become a society of nice, useless men who are good for nothing but to please women and make money. We need to start feeling strongly about things, start strong-arming other things, stop letting the wishes of the women in our lives dictate our emotions and actions, and stop yielding to what everyone else wans. If this continues, there will be no end to all the nonsense, and if we aren't on board with what makes for change, then we need to stop looking and praying for God's intervention and to stop going to church waiting for something to happen.
 
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My leaving was mutal.

Then I was able to talk to the Father and Jesus,
do as I learnt until they BOTH appeared to me.
I am gifted.
I care about all people and share with all people BUT I do not go to Church.

The "Christian Law of Liberty" does not include indoctrination.

God and Jesus are outside of Church
God and Jesus aren't outside of the Church, the Church is the Body of Christ!
Also, it's wise to be part of the Church so you're held accountable and don't make up your own doctrines to believe.
 

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You should not get kicked out, you should leave without causing a disturbance
They will never change
get a Bible and read it and join the church of Jesus home church
 
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You should not get kicked out, you should leave without causing a disturbance
They will never change
get a Bible and read it and join the church of Jesus home church
Nah. Causing a disturbance is sometimes needed. It shakes up the church, wakes people up to what's going on. Hopefully the result is that some leave and then find a biblically-based church. I think it's safe to say Allin has a Bible (probably more than one) and knows it well.
 
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You should not get kicked out, you should leave without causing a disturbance
They will never change
get a Bible and read it and join the church of Jesus home church
and how is the church of Jesus home church more sanctified, more obedient, more accurate in bible understanding than other assemblies? i'm not disagreeing at this point, i would like to hear about this separation from churches and where the apostolic doctrine or teachings of Jesus indicate this is a good thing.

are your teachers qualified? do they understand hebrew and greek?

lastly, is this a KJV only Jesus home church movement?:)
 
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My leaving was mutal.

Then I was able to talk to the Father and Jesus,
do as I learnt until they BOTH appeared to me.
I am gifted.
I care about all people and share with all people BUT I do not go to Church.

The "Christian Law of Liberty" does not include indoctrination.

God and Jesus are outside of Church
And Their being outside of the churches is neither something we take joy in (as people do who have an elitist mentality and go from "I'm Christian so I'm better than others" to "I don't go to church, so I'm better than other Christians") nor is it something that They want; the churches have pushed them out, and everyone has heard that the Holy Spirit is a Gentleman. The Lord doesn't go where He isn't wanted either nor does the Father push His will on anyone. Because of this free will, They have accepted Their unemployment in the churches.

The perfect Law of Liberty (or the Law of Grace, of Love, of Christ) promotes only liberty. John says "there is no fear in Love"; but people who go to church tend to have 'an abiding fear' of being singled out, condemned, rejected, not fitting in, their sins or shortcomings being discovered, etc. Either the fear in churches will be denied (that's what will happen pretty much every time) or the Bible means what it says (no fear in Love) and people in churches are ruled by various fears to walk such and such a line and act this and that way BECAUSE there is no Love. Spoiler alert: fear is the indicator that you aren't experiencing God's Love wherever it is: "The one who fears has not been made perfect in Love" (1Jn. 4:18). You said that you share with all people; do you have any small group that you fellowship with?
 
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My leaving was mutal.

Then I was able to talk to the Father and Jesus,
do as I learnt until they BOTH appeared to me.
I am gifted.
I care about all people and share with all people BUT I do not go to Church.

The "Christian Law of Liberty" does not include indoctrination.

God and Jesus are outside of Church
why do people place themselves in such a dangerous place by statements like this?

1 Timothy 3
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 
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And Their being outside of the churches is neither something we take joy in (as people do who have an elitist mentality and go from "I'm Christian so I'm better than others" to "I don't go to church, so I'm better than other Christians") nor is it something that They want; the churches have pushed them out, and everyone has heard that the Holy Spirit is a Gentleman. The Lord doesn't go where He isn't wanted either nor does the Father push His will on anyone. Because of this free will, They have accepted Their unemployment in the churches.

The perfect Law of Liberty (or the Law of Grace, of Love, of Christ) promotes only liberty. John says "there is no fear in Love"; but people who go to church tend to have 'an abiding fear' of being singled out, condemned, rejected, not fitting in, their sins or shortcomings being discovered, etc.

Either the fear in churches will be denied (that's what will happen pretty much every time) or the Bible means what it says (no fear in Love) and people in churches are ruled by various fears to walk such and such a line and act this and that way BECAUSE there is no Love.

Spoiler alert: fear is the indicator that you aren't experiencing God's Love wherever it is: "The one who fears has not been made perfect in Love" (1Jn. 4:18). You said that you share with all people; do you have any small group that you fellowship with?
can you distinguish between churches please? what churches have people in the bondage of fear. i know many do. i just want to know if you know which KIND. your sweeping generalizations are not good. stop encouraging people to leave church.

we have people moaning about lack of church membership and equating this with lack of faith. i suspect it's this "churches are bad, stay at home" that's causing it.

and your small group fellowships most often become cults, btw. because somebody will always become the "leader". better hope your leaders are qaulified according to nt doctrine, and that they aren't on power trips. like the pastors everyone seems to despise.
 
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The thing about a greater attack is often true. I guess depending on where you are and how the Lord is leading is where you decide whether or not to move on.
In my case the Spirit is willing,just tuning my flesh to be out of the way of the Lord God..100% convinced..
Its not easy,but with God its going to be made possible...
 
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I don't know what it is about suffering that does it. Paul said that the person who has suffered has ceased from sin. I don't know exactly what he meant, but I do know that after suffering, I no longer am interested in the sinful lifestyle I used to live for. Paul, in 2Cor. 10, says that he will in Corinth confront those who thought that he and his ministers walked according to the flesh. That were no longer living in the flesh because of suffering. I still sin, but man, I no longer enjoy it! You sound like you are already there.
Apostle Paul was troubled by a little devil according to Holy Scripture so he doesn't boast in Spiritual position..and walk in Godly Humility.Its applicable for us also,so we don't boast on ourselves,rest of the Deliverance are Growth to Christ,nothing less...
Its a joint effort by us and God.
Where we faint,Grace supports...

"I no longer am interested in the sinful lifestyle I used to live for"...therefore you feel the weight of the Cross,we must Carry it.If we don't then we are already Perfect or we backslided...

The prob with repeated failures God will deal,Trust in Him and Not people.
God will Heal everything,that's why we need God.
 
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You should not get kicked out, you should leave without causing a disturbance
They will never change
get a Bible and read it and join the church of Jesus home church
You're five days late on the advice. Lol. I didn't see it coming. I've sat through the most heretical and boring sermons that made me want to repent of ever becoming a Christian; I wanted to scream or sob I was so BORED or the message was so ludicrous! But I never did. Last Sunday, it wasn't the prophet's heresy that bothered me as much as it was the pastors allowing him because they wanted what so many ministers want: power with the people (i.e. prestige, fame, money, worship, etc., all the things that come from people which is why I called it 'power (influence) with the people'). Birds of a feather flock together.

While we're on this issue, I'd like to address another one: men and responsibility. If God told you to give a controversial word at your church and you knew it would cause a commotion, would you do i. You see, it's not about what people think; men have to do what is right otherwise our family and close friends, from wife to kids to neighbors to coworkers, will suffer. God through Moses gave Israel a choice between Life and death; then Moses advised them, "Choose Life, so that both you AND YOUR DESCENDANTS may live." Amen. What men do affects everyone else, especially those under us such as wife and children, whether or not we'd like to believe it. If you must be kicked out of a church (it's not the right one if they won't forgive you anyway; why be there), then be that. It's better to be free (independent-minded like God created men to be, bearing witness in the fact that Adam continued in the Garden for who knows how long without any other human being) and make many mistakes than be a slave and do everything just right. After all, is it the Lord who wants us to do everything perfectly or is it slave masters in whom is no forgiveness and mercy. The Lord isn't a hard master; society may strangle and kill strength, but Jesus allows men to be strong and independent without condemnation.
 
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I think I finally got the message loud and clear today: I don't belong in institutional churches. I was going to a church that just got a visiting pastor a month ago from overseas who came in and called himself a prophet. He proceeded to milk the people of their money-- two offerings a Sunday, to brag almost non-stop of his spiritual conquests, to teach what he calls special 'mysteries' that others don't know, and to hint to the congregation that on some level he's God. This guy was fake from day one, and he knew that I knew. But after the Lord made it clear that I don't belong in the extremely tight confines of institutional church and that I'd be leaving this church soon (didn't know it'd be like this), I finally got the left boot of fellowship today. Well... several left boots.

The prophet allows people to interact during the service. He prefers to be the only one speaking and lets people ask questions because he wants to be the savior with all the answers. (He gave my friend a fake word our first day there; that didn't help his credibility which was to be at 2% at the most.) So, when he said today that women can't be pastors, apostles, prophets, etc., I raised my hand. Most people just speak up, but I only raised my hand to show goodwill since I already knew that he hated my eyes looking through his facade. With a really pained look on his face, he raised his arm as if it was in a cast and pointed at me to speak. Again, knowing that he preferred I kept my mouth shut, I asked him if I could speak. Looking like he had sudden constipation, he said I could... but then he said I must stand to address him as everyone who addresses him must stand. I asked if I could remain seated, but he demanded that I stand. I mumbled something special about him as I stood up, then I began to explain to him that if women could be ministers in the OT, then the NT Law of Grace must be even more lenient. The women in church all agreed pretty vigorously (which was surprising since they all agreed with what he said since they felt obligated to this 'prophet'), and even some men nodded.

Gee, but everyone was quiet except me. I continued, putting Paul's statement that women not teach in perspective. When this self-important waste of space (not very godly, but honest) realized that someone had read their Bible too, he went into attack mode. It was then that he told me to sit down and shut up. The women hoped I would keep speaking; the men were nervous and urged me to sit which I did, explaining all the way down that I wasn't trying to start an argument but was addressing what he said. When this prophet saw that he was losing his hold on the people, as people were murmuring and all that, he told me that my punishment for speaking against him (well, I certainly didn't feel I'd spoken against him though I wouldn't mind throwing him out of a moving car... excuse my honesty) was that I must remain standing the rest of the service or leave.

Because I did neither, he sicked the usher on me. Still explaining my intention as I was led out, this prophet began to pretty much slander me. I'd had it and called him a false prophet who required and stole the people's worship and money, etc. I said his falsehood will surface in time. The church pastor, his loyal follower, had had it and ran at me to shove me out the church. There was a real commotion as four people laid hands on me (and not for prayer), restraining and pushing and shoving and trying to restrain the pastor from growing more hands that he could put on me. The pastor kept threatening to lay hands on me (as if he hadn't already) which I would've welcomed if I didn't respect people in authority (just being honest). We sort of tumbled out into the street (what people would've thought if they knew this was 'church' for us) as they tried to keep the pastor, who kept assuring me that he wasn't scared of me (as if a frightened person is a good opponent), from reaching me. After they restrained him and took himself inside, after his wife threatened to call the police on me, they told me I must leave and never return. I wasn't unhappy at the prospect.

Later on, two people from church and my friend said that agreed with me. At least two people (one a minister in the church) said that they didn't like what that were witnessing in the church in general and would not return. I didn't conduct myself in the godliest fashion, but I certainly wasn't feeling condemned at all.

In summer '12, I was standing outside a church that did a lot of prophetic stuff, waiting to go in for the service when the Lord (Jesus) began to speak to me. He told me clearly to leave that church and that He would lead me to a fellowship of likeminded believers whom He affectionately called, "The Lord's people" several times.
the Lord spoke right to you. that means you are a prophet.
btw - what were you doing going back into any church where any people claim to be prophets (male or female). just wondering.

When I returned to institutionai church looking for this fellowship, He reminded me of what the angel said to those who went to Jesus' tomb to find Him: "Why do you seek the living (Jesus) among the dead (institutional churches that keep Jesus at a distance when their programs)." I didn't get it and kept looking. A few days ago, He made it clear that I'd be leaving the church I got put out of today. I got put out, and now I get it. The truth is that something is either real or it's not; churches today give God a very little space to actually do anything (worship, sermon, and ending prayer) because they want to keep full control of all aspects of their lives. Even practically it doesn't make sense to pay loads for a building and even more to maintain it weekly but only use it once or two days or just several hours a week. When you start asking questions or state that you want something more realistic, you end up rocking the boat.
My friend had told me about a good book about how God has abandoned and literally left church as we know it. (I don't think it's very coincidental that most times I was in church and had to talk to God about anything important, I literally had to step outside the church where He was basically waiting.
are you really serious. it appears you are.
what did he look like. was he leaning on a lamp pole waiting for you. get serious. it sounds to me like youre in what you call the institutional church but is not. it`s a sect which believes in and encourages prophets and apsotles. so you got what they all get.

discontent, power-tripping, and so on.
church is actually a sanctuary. a place of peace and preaching from Gods word. prayer and singing. i dont know why people attend these chaotic circuses and then blame Christ or his church.

(This happened in the above experience I mentioned where the Lord told me to leave, in Rochester in '06, at a Messianic church in '12, and in another church last year.)) I was ordering this book on my phone from Amazon when the fiasco in the church started. I don't know about false prophets, but I think that was pretty prophetic! Here's the link: Amazon.com: Jesus Has Left the Building (9780971804081): Paul Vieira: Books.
Anyone else spoken up and gotten the left boot of fellowship? At least I finally know without a doubt that HD institutional church isn't for me. The worst part is that it's not for the Lord either.
dont include him in your restlessness and confusion.
 
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can you distinguish between churches please? what churches have people in the bondage of fear. i know many do. i just want to know if you know which KIND. your sweeping generalizations are not good. stop encouraging people to leave church.

we have people moaning about lack of church membership and equating this with lack of faith. i suspect it's this "churches are bad, stay at home" that's causing it.

and your small group fellowships most often become cults, btw. because somebody will always become the "leader". better hope your leaders are qaulified according to nt doctrine, and that they aren't on power trips. like the pastors everyone seems to despise.
Actually he got a point.Small groups are better as long as God is Leading.There is God in both small and big churches.The probs he might be facing might not be the same for another...The Church i go to have 1000's of members,that after the Service is over most people don't even know who was sitting next to the other,even Old Sunday School friends might be sitting somewhere else..:p
Here,he is asking how everyone else is feeling..i had my times in isolation,but i felt God compelling me to go back to Fellowship,and there are people whose life testimonies inspired me.

And nobody can take people away from Church if they have a Strong desire not to go separate...and i don't think Allin here is a black sheep..i can feel somewhat the things he is saying,i have had such views and third person witnessing experience many times.But Grace of God had a way to bring me back to God's church,the Gathering ,the Fellowship...ans still am not condemning him or accusing him...

Let him calm down and get in touch with a Good Church where he can be of better use to God.
 
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why do people place themselves in such a dangerous place by statements like this?

1 Timothy 3
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
I've learned that when you don't understand what someone is saying, the best thing to do is ask them what they mean. The reason why is because no language alone can capture the language of the soul (or all the ways we communicate). Seeing that most communication is non-verbal, it should be reasonable that not only will we not understand all a person is saying when we hear them but that we can understand much less when we have to read and don't even hear the person. When I pray, I often have to go from English to Spanish to Igbo as English alone can't express all I'm trying to say (and that's the reason for the prayer language). People say things differently. I've seen two people argue who are actually saying the same thing but in different ways. I believe that besides the tower of Babel, one reason God created many languages is to show in the natural the supernatural truth that one language is not sufficient for communication.