I agree. It's hard enough to find male ministers who take time to teach young men; to see this among female ministers is almost unheard of. God makes all things beautiful in their season. Deborah had to seek out Barak to lead though she was the main minister. Teachers already receive a harder judgment, so for a woman to want to minister in front of men, to be leader over men, is generally from a rebellious spirit. But as you said, women who do minister will usually do so alongside their husbands. Priscilla with Aquila, Prilla named first, is a good example of women in ministry as well as Andronicus and Junia. God is a God of order, and there's nothing better than godly order to God. When men lead right, women will rebel less and people will be more keen to actually respect and follow them: "When leaders lead in Israel, when the people willingly offer themselves, bless the Lord... My heart is with the rulers of Israel who willingly offered themselves with the people. Bless the Lord" (Judges 5).
Anyone Else Been Kicked out of Church?
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If I have to act like an idiot for God to shine as righteous, then why not. In case you don't already know it, the life you live you live as a fool of yourself or as a fool for Christ's sake.
I was kicked out of another church in '06 because I exposed six satanists who had been undercover as Christians in the Church for fifteen years undetected (and the Lord revealed a seventh one to another person). The pastor and his wife had had several church splits in the past because of these people, but when the Lord showed them too that these people were in fact satanists planted in the church to stunt its growth (and they had done an excellent job) and that these people were raping and abusing little children and adults in the church and its basement when no one was around (the people were afraid to tell until the satanists were exposed), the pastors decided it was best to kick me out the church rather than the satanists as they said I would cause a church split with the info. I'd learned. Does that still sound okay to you.
So we can say a church split is always evil or we can realize that the same sword that brings peace also divides. Some people do it wrong, and some people don't do it at all. I'd rather do than not do. I'll be a fool if God will be glorified in it. But if God told you to do something foolish in church or among Christians who know you, would you refrain for God's sake or to save your reputation.
I was kicked out of another church in '06 because I exposed six satanists who had been undercover as Christians in the Church for fifteen years undetected (and the Lord revealed a seventh one to another person). The pastor and his wife had had several church splits in the past because of these people, but when the Lord showed them too that these people were in fact satanists planted in the church to stunt its growth (and they had done an excellent job) and that these people were raping and abusing little children and adults in the church and its basement when no one was around (the people were afraid to tell until the satanists were exposed), the pastors decided it was best to kick me out the church rather than the satanists as they said I would cause a church split with the info. I'd learned. Does that still sound okay to you.
So we can say a church split is always evil or we can realize that the same sword that brings peace also divides. Some people do it wrong, and some people don't do it at all. I'd rather do than not do. I'll be a fool if God will be glorified in it. But if God told you to do something foolish in church or among Christians who know you, would you refrain for God's sake or to save your reputation.
If Jesus wasn't always self-explanatory, then are Christians required to be different. Your own signature says the Word is to unfold itself, line by line, here a little and there a little. We speak, and the Holy Spirit unfolds. I would have to write a book if I was to explain everything. But no one is to cast pearls before swine; you explain only to those who ask as Jesus did in the telling of His parables. He said clearly to His disciples when they asked why He didn't speak plainly to the crowds that it was because it was given to them to understand the things of God but wasn't given to others. So, when I share things, I'll make them self-explanatory only when someone asks me to explain or when I feel it's right. As for my communication skills, they are excellent. But your ego is starting to defile this thread. You can ask me to explain things or you can try to appear smart and may end up where most people don't want to end up: making a fool of yourself. I'll protect your dignity unless you want to push it. It depends on how highly you treasure your online or CC reputation. Do you want to be peaceful, or do you want to appear less intelligent than you would like to think you are. Think about it while I think about it.
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1. The bible says to spread the gospel, not hide it in "parables". What you said is untrue. There is a physician in Gilead. There is balm in Gilead. That was not a parable.
2. If you are going to talk in riddles you have no clue what open forum discussion is about.
3. If you think I am going to ask you to explain anything to me, you have another think coming.
4. I am not here for my reputation. What you think matters not one whit to me. My ego has nothing to do with this talk or with the bible. If I make a "fool of myself" by discussing the bible, that says a lot more about you than it does me.
Your whole demeanor is one of trying to put yourself on a level with Christ. Nowhere in the bible is anyone told to talk in riddles. Paul cleared up all mystery of the word of God for our edification. You think you have the authority to tell people only what you want them to know about the gospel? That is beyond asinine.
5. "But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."
You don't even understand that passage. If that is how you understand the word, you will fall backward, be broken, and taken captive by the enemy. That is a passage meant to warn those that stumble over scripture. Line upon line is how children learn. If you aren't ready for strong meat, don't try to chew it. It will give you indigestion.
If you are going to talk bible, you better get it right.
2. If you are going to talk in riddles you have no clue what open forum discussion is about.
3. If you think I am going to ask you to explain anything to me, you have another think coming.
4. I am not here for my reputation. What you think matters not one whit to me. My ego has nothing to do with this talk or with the bible. If I make a "fool of myself" by discussing the bible, that says a lot more about you than it does me.
Your whole demeanor is one of trying to put yourself on a level with Christ. Nowhere in the bible is anyone told to talk in riddles. Paul cleared up all mystery of the word of God for our edification. You think you have the authority to tell people only what you want them to know about the gospel? That is beyond asinine.
5. "But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."
You don't even understand that passage. If that is how you understand the word, you will fall backward, be broken, and taken captive by the enemy. That is a passage meant to warn those that stumble over scripture. Line upon line is how children learn. If you aren't ready for strong meat, don't try to chew it. It will give you indigestion.
If you are going to talk bible, you better get it right.
This is the wrong thread to accuse anyone. Not on my thread. I would've liked to reason with you, but you're so far behind that your approach is one of accusation. It's too easy to argue; you'll be surprised to find that no one on this forum has it will draw me into argument or debate. Sorry, but I'm going to have to report you to the mods. I hope you can someday learn, sooner rather than later, the more important issues of the Word and godliness. And yes, all Christians are free to follow Jesus' examples to heal, to cast out demons, to raise the dead, and to use allegory and parables.
"If not, I hope God's Grace and His fellowship are sufficient for you." i only need that.small church or big it doesn't matter,when He calls me back to Him.
That's one place I used to struggle till I began to learn that His Grace is the good side of suffering, not the bad.
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Don't you think you should check with me before you give someone liberty at my expense? If you have a problem with me, spit it out. I have no problem addressing distortion of the bible, and that seems to stick in your craw. Rather than hit the ignore button you choose to encourage others to lambast me? And you are telling the room about my "unchristian-like" behaviour?
I don't recall any passage anywhere where Christ, Stephen, or any servant of God apologized for defending the word, and I will follow that example.
This is not a popularity contest. It is about learning and understanding the word of the Lord. Those that continously reject said word will receive no sympathy from me. Anyone that is earnest and sincere about learning it will be open to all scripture, not just the verses that tickle their ears. I have stated why I am here. I am not a teacher, preacher, nor prophet. The bible was written for our edification and understanding. I am "up to here" with handling people that twist the word after being shown clear scripture, with kid gloves.
If that get me booted, so be it, but I will never back down from false doctrine. All I have ever brought to the table is bible or bible enforced. If you can't handle the truth, go ahead, keep complaining to the admins. If you get me booted then hopefully someone will give you a medal...after someone else gives you a chest to pin it on.
I don't recall any passage anywhere where Christ, Stephen, or any servant of God apologized for defending the word, and I will follow that example.
This is not a popularity contest. It is about learning and understanding the word of the Lord. Those that continously reject said word will receive no sympathy from me. Anyone that is earnest and sincere about learning it will be open to all scripture, not just the verses that tickle their ears. I have stated why I am here. I am not a teacher, preacher, nor prophet. The bible was written for our edification and understanding. I am "up to here" with handling people that twist the word after being shown clear scripture, with kid gloves.
If that get me booted, so be it, but I will never back down from false doctrine. All I have ever brought to the table is bible or bible enforced. If you can't handle the truth, go ahead, keep complaining to the admins. If you get me booted then hopefully someone will give you a medal...after someone else gives you a chest to pin it on.
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I'm glad that His Grace is sufficient for you That's one place I used to struggle till I began to learn that His Grace is the good side of suffering, not the bad.
That's one place I used to struggle till I began to learn that His Grace is the good side of suffering, not the bad.
There Grace works,and Grace don't work with prosperity preachers.
It does not work with condemnation preachers too,there is a balance..and its a Growth to Perfection.
Best thing to do is to keep that balance,.....do not go to the prosperity preacher or condemnation preacher but always examine oneself with God through Prayer and Meditation first,and then listen to any.we will be able to discern and not loose Hope.
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Hey Allin, you can take your foot off the gas a little. Finding oneself in conflict is natural, finding oneself in repeated conflict is a message. I'm taking my own advice too, this is a lesson for many of us.
We should only be reporting trolls - not people with opinions on doctrine. This is the point of the bible discussion forum. And if I may, I find the whole my thread thing a bit controlling, imo. I think more tact is needed in that respect. I'm not attacking you, I honestly think you need to hear this.
We should only be reporting trolls - not people with opinions on doctrine. This is the point of the bible discussion forum. And if I may, I find the whole my thread thing a bit controlling, imo. I think more tact is needed in that respect. I'm not attacking you, I honestly think you need to hear this.
Phil, I've reported to the admin. Now you're attacking other people and not just me. Please leave this thread. Time will tell whether or not I'm twisting Scriptures. The Lord already knows. Don't attack people on my thread; attack me. But you no longer need to be on this thread nor in the future follow me around supposedly defending Scripture.
When the Battle becomes tough,we must get ready to recharge ourselves in God,because tough situation is just a camouflage.A greater attack is coming just after it,..in the form of deception.
devil always use tactics like that to pull us down..
Sometimes just moving on is the best option.
devil always use tactics like that to pull us down..
Sometimes just moving on is the best option.
yea,suffering is the sign that we don't want to be a part of the worldly life anymore...
There Grace works,and Grace don't work with prosperity preachers.
It does not work with condemnation preachers too,there is a balance..and its a Growth to Perfection.
Best thing to do is to keep that balance,.....do not go to the prosperity preacher or condemnation preacher but always examine oneself with God through Prayer and Meditation first,and then listen to any.we will be able to discern and not loose Hope.
There Grace works,and Grace don't work with prosperity preachers.
It does not work with condemnation preachers too,there is a balance..and its a Growth to Perfection.
Best thing to do is to keep that balance,.....do not go to the prosperity preacher or condemnation preacher but always examine oneself with God through Prayer and Meditation first,and then listen to any.we will be able to discern and not loose Hope.