Are Holy Spirit baptisms claims provable?
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she was never really asking...read her response to me
another one who has everyone figured out and asks leading questions so that they can jab at you
in her case, she seems confused but still willing to have a go of some sort
I suppose I should prepare for more of whatever it is she thought I was saying but I wasn't saying
best to just ignore probably
another one who has everyone figured out and asks leading questions so that they can jab at you
in her case, she seems confused but still willing to have a go of some sort
I suppose I should prepare for more of whatever it is she thought I was saying but I wasn't saying
best to just ignore probably
it's tiresome and obnoxious
they don't know what they are talking about but seem to think they know everything about everyone and for some reason believe that asking for 'proof' of what they deny will 'prove' they are right...it's equal to the devil tempting Jesus in the wilderness...like 'didn't God say if you...fill in the blanks'
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anyway...thx for the rep
they don't know what they are talking about but seem to think they know everything about everyone and for some reason believe that asking for 'proof' of what they deny will 'prove' they are right...it's equal to the devil tempting Jesus in the wilderness...like 'didn't God say if you...fill in the blanks'
blah
anyway...thx for the rep
They don't know what they are talking about but seem to think that simply claiming an event in some way proves they are right....it's equal to Simon the Sorcerer believing he could obtain the miraculous by his own foolishly efforts. "If you want the supernatural baptism of the Holy Spirit just"....fill in the blanks.
These people are truly hypocrites, they will balk if they are challenged on thier claims but they will not accept the same claims of supernatural baptism from groups they consider cults.
The question is rather neutral. It is open-ended and does not imply the Holy Spirit baptism does not exist even if it can not be proven. The question is fair.
Your question, is very leading. Any question that starts off with "Does God lie when..." is not a serious question since God does not lie. (Numbers 23:19)
So no 7seasrekeyed, your comment - is not correct.
I can answer the OP question easily, "no, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not provable". My answer does not mean that I was not Holy Spirit baptized just that I can not prove it. Nothing more.
Your question, is very leading. Any question that starts off with "Does God lie when..." is not a serious question since God does not lie. (Numbers 23:19)
So no 7seasrekeyed, your comment - is not correct.
I can answer the OP question easily, "no, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not provable". My answer does not mean that I was not Holy Spirit baptized just that I can not prove it. Nothing more.
Your videos are by no means evidence of a supernatural Holy Spirit baptism. Giving up smoking is not a supernatural event. You are simply labeling the mundane as miraculous, much like the world does. When the miraculous does return, many will be ashamed at what they proclaimed as movements of the Holy Spirit.
I am sure you won't do this but if you are interested in hearing much, much greater claims of the miraculous go to www.mormon.org/chat. There you will find first hand accounts of the miraculous that far surpass the giving up of cigarettes.
I am sure you won't do this but if you are interested in hearing much, much greater claims of the miraculous go to www.mormon.org/chat. There you will find first hand accounts of the miraculous that far surpass the giving up of cigarettes.
Supernatural acts such as tongues, healing, prophesy have ceased in our age of faith without sight. We do not live as those of the 1st century, an age of the miraculous.
In our age will live by the Word of God alone (Matthew 4:4), we are to speak as Paul wrote, through the scriptures (Hebrews 4:12 & 2nd Tim. 3:16-17) We have no need of prophesy.....we are to be as the Bereans, noble in our pursue for truth and knowledge that truly counts in the eternal dwelling place with our Savior.
People who claim supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit do not fully understand the loving care of our Father, and this is a ture pity.
In our age will live by the Word of God alone (Matthew 4:4), we are to speak as Paul wrote, through the scriptures (Hebrews 4:12 & 2nd Tim. 3:16-17) We have no need of prophesy.....we are to be as the Bereans, noble in our pursue for truth and knowledge that truly counts in the eternal dwelling place with our Savior.
People who claim supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit do not fully understand the loving care of our Father, and this is a ture pity.
To those that hold fast in signs and wonders can prove that individual Spirit Baptism is how they say it is. They cling to their certain verses but they fail to look at Jn. 3:8 with their conclusions
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
I take it that there are some Christians here that have not experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, or they would not be trying to figure it out. I pray sincerely from my heart that those on this site that have not received the Holy Spirit will receive it. The apostles talked about it everywhere they went, they never left out the Holy Spirit.
All that stuff you are talking is pure garbage,because when he spoke of these things coming to an end, he meant at Jesus return. To say these things is to say that God is dead and he no longer speak to mankind. You may live through the scriptures, but it sounds like your heart is far from God. He did not turn his back on mankind in the old testament, and he sure have not turned his back on the new testament. If anything you said was true, God would have had them written the same way he had the entire bible written.. So you think you can speak for God? If you were ever in the faith, you sure have errored far away from it.
Speaking in tongues is no longer there- what we have today is something else, no one understands
Raising the dead is no longer happening - Harvest time
Prophesying- the law and the prophets prophesied until John (A statement by Jesus), what happened after that was interpretation of prophesy. This is what should be happening even now because the prophesy by Daniel and the rest covered the kingdom until after the end of age, if a person is going to prophesy about the kingdom of heaven today, what new thing can they possibly talk about?
Even teaching and evangelism is progressively going down as self proclaimed teachers are progressively increasing; more lies and false worship is increasing by the day- the reason darkness is associated with end times "...immediately after those days, the sun/moon/stars won't give their light....". This statement only means that the truth is cast to the ground.
Raising the dead is no longer happening - Harvest time
Prophesying- the law and the prophets prophesied until John (A statement by Jesus), what happened after that was interpretation of prophesy. This is what should be happening even now because the prophesy by Daniel and the rest covered the kingdom until after the end of age, if a person is going to prophesy about the kingdom of heaven today, what new thing can they possibly talk about?
Even teaching and evangelism is progressively going down as self proclaimed teachers are progressively increasing; more lies and false worship is increasing by the day- the reason darkness is associated with end times "...immediately after those days, the sun/moon/stars won't give their light....". This statement only means that the truth is cast to the ground.
When the Apostles received the Holy Spirit, they spoke in a special tongue for all the people theree heard them speaking in their own language regardless of where they were from and what language they spoke.
This does not occur, and is not supposed to among the believing assemblies, otherwise we would not have been taught not to speak audibly in a congregation unless there is someone with the gift of interpretation, a totally different gift.
Now, let us go to the grain. Anyone saying the gifts are dead does not yet know Jesus Christ by His Spirit, for He tells us He would not leave us helpless...........
If you worship some god who does not help you it is not the H evenly Father who loves us and cares for us every instant. Of course He does this for the non-believer also, but without recognition...thanksgiving that is.
This does not occur, and is not supposed to among the believing assemblies, otherwise we would not have been taught not to speak audibly in a congregation unless there is someone with the gift of interpretation, a totally different gift.
Now, let us go to the grain. Anyone saying the gifts are dead does not yet know Jesus Christ by His Spirit, for He tells us He would not leave us helpless...........
If you worship some god who does not help you it is not the H evenly Father who loves us and cares for us every instant. Of course He does this for the non-believer also, but without recognition...thanksgiving that is.
When the bible talks about the signs following them, it meant the disciples and the apostles because of what they were supposed to do. These are the two witnesses that stand in front of the lord of this earth who is satan and their mission was to spread the gospel of the kingdom to all nations as a witness before the end (Satan’s reign) comes.
The gifts they had, was to allow them spread the gospel to every tribe and nation because when the antichrist comes, he affects every tribe and nation.
They would speak in tongues and people from all tribes would hear and understand in their own language. It can’t be possible that someone praying in their closet could speak in tongues, for what reason?
They would evangelize in a manner that people would understand the gospel. They would interprate prophesy/ they would teach.
And they would perform signs and wonders to get people attention so that the gospel spreads. They would heal/ they would raise the dead e.t.c
Rev 11: 3And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” ….6They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
7Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
The above verse basically says they will be accompanied by signs and wonders but when they are done, they are killed. The disciples and apostles were pursued and killed, only John stayed alive to write the book of Revelation.
That time is over, we are in the end times- we overcome the antichrist by having faith in the lamb that was slain.
The antichrist also comes with signs and wonders and he also looks like a lamb- meaning that, he directly affects our churches with a false gospel and hence fake signs and wonders.
Rev 13: 5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them….11Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.
Are people getting healed today? Yes
Are people talking in tongues today? Yes
Are the dead being raised today? Yes
Are people prophesying today? Yes
But most of these are fake and the most obvious is speaking in tongues that most people do today. It has no bearing/ it doesn’t heal/ the meaning is hidden to both the speaker and the congregation/ it doesn’t spread the gospel – how could it when it is done by individuals, each in their corner in some church somewhere on the globe.
Don't underestimate the power given to the antichrist, it is the kind of power that overcomes God's holy people (Read verse 7 above & Daniel). Sitting there and saying that God will help us because He promised to send us a helper is not enough, you must understand the times and seasons for visitation.
The gifts they had, was to allow them spread the gospel to every tribe and nation because when the antichrist comes, he affects every tribe and nation.
They would speak in tongues and people from all tribes would hear and understand in their own language. It can’t be possible that someone praying in their closet could speak in tongues, for what reason?
They would evangelize in a manner that people would understand the gospel. They would interprate prophesy/ they would teach.
And they would perform signs and wonders to get people attention so that the gospel spreads. They would heal/ they would raise the dead e.t.c
Rev 11: 3And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” ….6They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
7Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
The above verse basically says they will be accompanied by signs and wonders but when they are done, they are killed. The disciples and apostles were pursued and killed, only John stayed alive to write the book of Revelation.
That time is over, we are in the end times- we overcome the antichrist by having faith in the lamb that was slain.
The antichrist also comes with signs and wonders and he also looks like a lamb- meaning that, he directly affects our churches with a false gospel and hence fake signs and wonders.
Rev 13: 5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them….11Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.
Are people getting healed today? Yes
Are people talking in tongues today? Yes
Are the dead being raised today? Yes
Are people prophesying today? Yes
But most of these are fake and the most obvious is speaking in tongues that most people do today. It has no bearing/ it doesn’t heal/ the meaning is hidden to both the speaker and the congregation/ it doesn’t spread the gospel – how could it when it is done by individuals, each in their corner in some church somewhere on the globe.
Don't underestimate the power given to the antichrist, it is the kind of power that overcomes God's holy people (Read verse 7 above & Daniel). Sitting there and saying that God will help us because He promised to send us a helper is not enough, you must understand the times and seasons for visitation.
