Baptismal Regeneration - Excerpts by Charles Spurgeon

[zone]

Oh yes, but I am sure you will not believe the miracle that happened to me at age 12? But if you want to hear it then tell me so and I will post it.
It is what it is, and intensely amazing, as there are many others afterwards as well, as a matter of fact the things that happened I have posted in the Blog that I have been writing for awhile now led, yet there are over 400 posts there now, but not hard to find anyone of them, it is set up in a magazine style, just scroll down and pick whatever might interest you, or not
www.godjustloveyou.blogspot.com
Thanks Sister for your care

okay...i will look at it (i hope to).
a miracle saved you - God saved you, called you through a miracle.

WHY?

didn't you already believe?

weren't you also a believer who stumbled and departed from what you knew was right (you mentioned drinking etc) - years after being saved at 12?

you said your parents had you baptized as a baby and intended to bring you up in the faith - i assume they did the best they could.

my question would be, and of course, i doubt any of us can know for sure - or at all - is:

WAS GOD MERCIFUL TO YOU A PRODIGAL SON WHO HE KNEW as one of His Own because you were born into; baptized into and raised in the christian faith?

i don't know the answer. it's a rhetorical question.

after my confirmation as a Lutheran, not long before my dear mom passed away, she brought out a baptismal certificate - i didn't know that. that we had been taken to church by "godparents".

my own testimony (life history) would be very interesting in light of that - and made total sense. but my testimony is not up for discussion here.
not by me anyway. never again.

 

[chatter23]

Thanks stilly, absolute truth at least for me, I did go way wayward for many years a drunk, a druggie and many of those others things that are not beneficial, where God is the one that did the deliverance not any man. Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am deeply thankful

You are one sweet guy.

 

[homwardbound]

that's okay.
we all decide what to believe.

my real question - and one that resolves the other (for me) quite well is - is God working through water baptism or not?

i leave it there.

God works through all, everything to bring you home to him, yet never forces anything on anyone, by free choice we are to believe God at God's word or we are not, and we all will consciously make the choice fully aware of each of our choices so that when that day comes there will be no valid excuse from man at all
To believe or not to believe, is the only chioi9ce left after the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ at the cross, 10 days later came the promised Holy Ghost to teach each individual truth from Father,
Hebrews 8 claims God as our personal teacher, and that is why all will know God, and my prayer is all will receive God in believing God, and then those that do not, know what they have refused consciously. There will be no excuse for man at all.

 

[SarahM777]

2. Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.”

3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”

4. Revelation 1:5 “… Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.”

Hebrews 9:14 “How muchmore shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience …

8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience …”

9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

10. Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

11. Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

UMM Does anyone else get that not only that blood came out of Jesus but WATER also?

John 19

33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.

1 John 5

This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Just as Jesus shed blood can wash us so can the water He shed. It points to the very same event. [HR][/HR]

 

[zone]

.........and you didn't read my first comment on the thread I suppose......

why were they being water baptized?

1) to receive forgiveness of their sins?

2) because they had already received forgiveness upon repentance?

REPENT AND JUMP FOR JOY

Why do we jump?

1) to receive joy?
2) because we received joy when we repented?

Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of your sins.............your sins were forgiven when you repented, being water baptized celebrates that event.........and serves as a witness to the world that you have been born again/anew, and have been baptized in the blood of Jesus Christ.......

hey. are you Eugene Peterson? j.k.

IT SAYS:

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1) Repent and be baptized
2) in the name of Jesus Christ
3) for the forgiveness of your sins
4) And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

it does NOT say:

The Message 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ because you are so joyful your sins are forgiven. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[chatter23]

okay...i will look at it (i hope to).
a miracle saved you - God saved you, called you through a miracle.

WHY?

didn't you already believe?

weren't you also a believer who stumbled and departed from what you knew was right (you mentioned drinking etc) - years after being saved at 12?

you said your parents had you baptized as a baby and intended to bring you up in the faith - i assume they did the best they could.

my question would be, and of course, i doubt any of us can know for sure - or at all - is:

WAS GOD MERCIFUL TO YOU A PRODIGAL SON WHO HE KNEW as one of His Own because you were born into; baptized into and raised in the christian faith?

i don't know the answer. it's a rhetorical question.

after my confirmation as a Lutheran, not long before my dear mom passed away, she brought out a baptismal certificate - i didn't know that. that we had been taken to church by "godparents".

my own testimony (life history) would be very interesting in light of that - and made total sense. but my testimony is not up for discussion here.
not by me anyway. never again.

You don't have to put out your testimony, It is all over your expressions that you had a painful past.
You are still troubled and cover it up with your, I don't know if I should call it humor or what, but, it is covering up
pain.

 

[zone]

God works through all, everything to bring you home to him, yet never forces anything on anyone, by free choice we are to believe God at God's word or we are not, and we all will consciously make the choice fully aware of each of our choices so that when that day comes there will be no valid excuse from man at all
To believe or not to believe, is the only chioi9ce left after the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ at the cross, 10 days later came the promised Holy Ghost to teach each individual truth from Father,
Hebrews 8 claims God as our personal teacher, and that is why all will know God, and my prayer is all will receive God in believing God, and then those that do not, know what they have refused consciously. There will be no excuse for man at all.

what about those who say they believe but don't even bother with the simple commandment?

Mark 16
15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Acts 1:2
until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.

 

[zone]

You don't have to put out your testimony, It is all over your expressions that you had a painful past.
You are still troubled and cover it up with your, I don't know if I should call it humor or what, but, it is covering up
pain.

oh purleeze.
you know nothing about me.

 

[chatter23]

oh purleeze.
you know nothing about me.

\

\You are an open book.

 

[zone]

You are an open book.

is that so, dear?
well, you do claim to know the scriptures by Osmosis



let's see if you can do better than this gadget:

go for it.
tell me all about myself
if you get it right, i'll let you know.

 

[chatter23]

UMM Does anyone else get that not only that blood came out of Jesus but WATER also?

John 19

33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.

1 John 5

This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Just as Jesus shed blood can wash us so can the water He shed. It points to the very same event. [HR][/HR]

Can you speak from your own understanding please?

 

[BradC]

that's okay.
we all decide what to believe.

my real question - and one that resolves the other (for me) quite well is - is God working through water baptism or not?

i leave it there.

Water baptism is God is doing a work of faith in the child of God through obedience to a mandate to be baptized by immersion, but it is not a work of regeneration whereby those who are baptized are regenerated by the Spirit. The work of regeneration is the work of the Spirit through the gospel and the cross of Christ when a man believes in his heart unto the righteousness of God and that God raised Christ from the dead. The implication in Acts 16 concerning households involves those who believed in those household, for they all heard the gospel and if they all believed then they all were baptized.

 

[zone]

LOLOL Sarah

coconut smoothies comin' up.

 

[homwardbound]

okay...i will look at it (i hope to).
a miracle saved you - God saved you, called you through a miracle.

WHY?

didn't you already believe?

weren't you also a believer who stumbled and departed from what you knew was right (you mentioned drinking etc) - years after being saved at 12?

you said your parents had you baptized as a baby and intended to bring you up in the faith - i assume they did the best they could.

my question would be, and of course, i doubt any of us can know for sure - or at all - is:

WAS GOD MERCIFUL TO YOU A PRODIGAL SON WHO HE KNEW as one of His Own because you were born into; baptized into and raised in the christian faith?

i don't know the answer. it's a rhetorical question.

after my confirmation as a Lutheran, not long before my dear mom passed away, she brought out a baptismal certificate - i didn't know that. that we had been taken to church by "godparents".

my own testimony (life history) would be very interesting in light of that - and made total sense. but my testimony is not up for discussion here.
not by me anyway. never again.

Zone Thank You and my condolences to you, I have lost a Sister, a Brother, Dad and Mom it all started at age 14, it is devastating to lose those close to you at a young age, ergo my drinking, not accepting and God who continued to pour Mercy on me, and one day after many years of drinking, carousing, doing drugs, and the sort, I asked God why are you being so kind to me, I should be dead along with my Sister who died on an overdose at age she was 18, I was 14 and we were close, it killed me and I self-medicated for years, 14 as a matter of fact, busted for drunk driving three times, fortunately no accidents that harmed any others only one and that is when I saw how drinking and drugs were not beneficial and God delivered me when I was shown that the reason for my travail in drinking and carrying on was because I could not accept my Sister's death. I accepted it and have been free from that bondage ever since so far to this day, I say it this way because I see not to get proud and or boastful over the fact that God showed me how to say no to this bondage that was in God's way of salvation for me to tell others of God's amazing love.
Much more before and after, Sue at age 18, I was 14, then at 17 Dad, then at 21 Oldest Brother, and then in 2002 my Mom.
I learned this since:
There was a guy that was having a grand opening for his business, and he went to this place before the grand opening started to make sure all was in order.
As he went in he saw the flowers and read the note that came with the flowers, it said " REST IN PEACE"
So he immediately called the Florist, and the Florist said that yes what a mix up, that he had just got the call from the funeral in session and asked what is this "WELCOME TO YUOR NEW LOCATION"
I got it and welcomed Mom, Dad, Sue and John to their new Location, not concerned about my loss any longer and understood out of body, present with the Lord, and in the body the Lord is present with me and all that believe even those that do not believe, wooing them by the power of the Holy Ghost to come to belief and be free God being forever Faithful.
Again my condolences to you Sister

 

[homwardbound]

You are one sweet guy.

no sister God is, and it is by God's awesome power that has effected me, to the point of not ever wanting my old flesh ever in the way

 

[homwardbound]

UMM Does anyone else get that not only that blood came out of Jesus but WATER also?

John 19

33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.

1 John 5

This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Just as Jesus shed blood can wash us so can the water He shed. It points to the very same event. [HR][/HR]

Yep I think you got it first born of the water then the Spirit

 

[zone]

Zone Thank You and my condolences to you, I have lost a Sister, a Brother, Dad and Mom it all started at age 14, it is devastating to lose those close to you at a young age, ergo my drinking, not accepting and God who continued to pour Mercy on me, and one day after many years of drinking, carousing, doing drugs, and the sort, I asked God why are you being so kind to me, I should be dead along with my Sister who died on an overdose at age she was 18, I was 14 and we were close, it killed me and I self-medicated for years, 14 as a matter of fact, busted for drunk driving three times, fortunately no accidents that harmed any others only one and that is when I saw how drinking and drugs were not beneficial and God delivered me when I was shown that the reason for my travail in drinking and carrying on was because I could not accept my Sister's death. I accepted it and have been free from that bondage ever since so far to this day, I say it this way because I see not to get proud and or boastful over the fact that God showed me how to say no to this bondage that was in God's way of salvation for me to tell others of God's amazing love.
Much more before and after, Sue at age 18, I was 14, then at 17 Dad, then at 21 Oldest Brother, and then in 2002 my Mom.
I learned this since:
There was a guy that was having a grand opening for his business, and he went to this place before the grand opening started to make sure all was in order.
As he went in he saw the flowers and read the note that came with the flowers, it said " REST IN PEACE"
So he immediately called the Florist, and the Florist said that yes what a mix up, that he had just got the call from the funeral in session and asked what is this "WELCOME TO YUOR NEW LOCATION"
I got it and welcomed Mom, Dad, Sue and John to their new Location, not concerned about my loss any longer and understood out of body, present with the Lord, and in the body the Lord is present with me and all that believe even those that do not believe, wooing them by the power of the Holy Ghost to come to belief and be free God being forever Faithful.
Again my condolences to you Sister

that's amazing home!
what a cool testimony.
i like the Welcome to your new location

so you were raised in the faith from a child.
very good.
okay....lunchtime

ttyl

 

[chatter23]

no sister God is, and it is by God's awesome power that has effected me, to the point of not ever wanting my old flesh ever in the way

God is not a guy, He is spirit . He is not flesh and blood. You are still a sweet saved guy.

 

[SarahM777]

LOLOL Sarah

coconut smoothies comin' up.

I think you got the point.

And thank you

 

[peacefulbeliever]

then the Apostles should have stopped it - instead of continuing it.
which means the Power they received from On High At Pentecost to be infallibly inspired messengers of the New Covenant message failed them.

they were in serious error by not stopping water baptism, and in fact performing it themselves - AFTER PENTECOST.

Jesus Himself should have made it clearer in the Great Commission.

There are a few changes that came about with Jesus death and resurrection. Jesus wasn't clear on a lot of the changes that came about with his death and resurrection which caused disagreements throughout the early church. i.e. - Levitical laws of washings and sacrifices - God no longer requires sacrifices and washings to be considered clean(Hebrews 9:1, 9, 10) - circumcision was an OT practice but changed when Paul received revelation of the church epistles - circumcision of the flesh vs circumcision of the heart (Rom. 2:29) - it would have been a lot easier if Jesus had just told them this while on earth. Also - no more separation between Jew and Gentile - Peter wouldn't have argued with the Lord about going to Cornelius (Acts 10) and the Jews would not have questioned his actions (Acts 11). I see the New Covenant beginning after the death and resurrection of our Lord so I see nothing as "failing". I don't see them as being in serious error either - maybe slow in their TOTAL understanding of all things new. Think about how surprised they were with those that received holy Spirit before they were water baptized when they thought water cleansed . . . .

and the Church has been repeating the serious error ever since....until the ______ Movement introduced Holy Ghost Baptism.

but the diverse washings were not the New Covenant baptism.

so they continued water baptism when they should not have, in spite of being The Lord's supernaturally empowered witnesses and messengers of the New Covenant Gospel?

ON...THE....DAY...OF...Pentecost, Peter told them ALL to be baptized.

and they were. in water.

3000 that day were saved.

Being water baptized is not serious error - it just does not save you nor make you clean - the new creation is in Christ - to be one with the Father and the Son is through the new birth - the new creation, the new man is being born of the Spirit and it happens when a person confesses Jesus as Lord and believes God raised him from the dead - not when one is water baptized. On the day of Pentecost - Peter did tell them to be baptized - and they received the gift of holy Spirit - (I could say - it doesn't specify the word water but I won't because I would be in error!) the apostles did baptize in water - Jesus baptized with holy Spirit - I see no serious error at all.

circumcision of the flesh - Jesus ushered in the better - circumcision of the heart
things forbidden to be eaten - Jesus ushered in the better - every thing is clean
Jews - only chosen people, Gentiles - dogs - Jesus ushered in the better - No distinction between Jew nor Gentile in the body of Christ
water baptism - Jesus ushered in the better - John truly baptized in water; but he (Jesus) shall baptize you with the holy Spirit (being born again of the Spirit = being baptized in the Spirit = receiving the holy Spirit = And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image (Spirit) of him that created him)

love ya zone. . . .