Baptismal Regeneration - Excerpts by Charles Spurgeon

[homwardbound]

OH WOW.
WATER BAPTISM IS AN HERETICAL WORK OF THE FLESH.

OMGolly.

No sister it is a desire to want to serve God or a way to get accepted by others and be a member of a church and be looking good, when no flesh pleases God, only flesh that ever did is Christ's and he died to the flesh for us to follow that and do the same in our carnal minds and be raised in the Spirit of God and renew our minds of old to the way God the Father views things now after Son at the cross
So how does God view the ones that believe God?
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

 

[zone]

No sister it is a desire to want to serve God or a way to get accepted by others and be a member of a church and be looking good, when no flesh pleases God, only flesh that ever did is Christ's and he died to the flesh for us to follow that and do the same in our carnal minds and be raised in the Spirit of God and renew our minds of old to the way God the Father views things now after Son at the cross
So how does God view the ones that believe God?
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

translation: water baptism is a prideful work of the flesh which does not please God.

okay....smoothie, quesadillas for myself and my neighbor...then a nap.
dis makes me tired.

ONE BAPTISM.

home, later i'll start a thread on Mid-Acts Dispensationlism and you and i can go through it together and see what it teaches and see if it matches scripture.

you might be right. but pretty sure not.
k.....zone

 

[chatter23]

is that so, dear?
well, you do claim to know the scriptures by Osmosis



let's see if you can do better than this gadget:

go for it.
tell me all about myself
if you get it right, i'll let you know.

Not by osmoses, but, by the word of God given to a quiet mind that is always available, not stale and brainwashed by the intellect.

For one thing your sarcasm comes across loud and clear, The basis of sarcasm is resentment that has not been resolved.
I will stop there.

 

[zone]

Not by osmoses, but, by the word of God given to a quiet mind that is always available, not stale and brainwashed by the intellect.

For one thing your sarcasm comes across loud and clear, The basis of sarcasm is resentment that has not been resolved.
I will stop there.

no, don't stop there

you have an open book.

what you perceive as resentment is actually a distaste for idolatrous notions of God.
the humor is to make it all palatable enough to wade through.

off for lunch.

then we can look at your idolatry. no sarcasm or resentment.
just your words.

then i know what's fun - after that you can tell me all about the me you don't know.

yet.

 

[homwardbound]

you said it was a work of the flesh.

Law. anyways....i know you're uncertain of your theology at this time home.

like many others you're currently holding to Mid-Acts Dispensationalism, though you either don't know it or won't admit it.

peaceful is straightforward about that.
which is nice, f.a.c.

Okay Zone no matter we are loved by God through Son Christ, yes or no. All else is to vain Babblings as:

And by no means am accusing anyone of judging. God is the Judge period
[h=3]Romans 14:1-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
I am so glad that god is able to hold each one of us up that do believe God
1 Corinthians 3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Absolute great discussion from me to all. so much to learn and tell from each others perspective as to were each of us are at in our growth to the full assure of Faith in God, unto Maturity as spoken of in Hebrews 5:10 -6:8

 

[jag1977]

*4.These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the*Lord*God made the earth and the heavens,

5*And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the*Lord*God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6*But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. <----read again

7*And the*Lord*God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The point of regeneration. Adam, the single purist spiritual entity product of God and and his spiritual son NT (jesus) or OT (lord god). He is bringing you to his father...or this is where I found myself. The whole point in baptism was the regeneration of my spirit, clean before God, ready to start on a deeper spiritual understanding of the teachings of the OT. I know, all opinion. It was pretty powerful for me anyway to learn about myself through God as he intended me to without departing from him so soon in eden or shortly after even though it took reading genesis 1-6 about 7 or 8 times.

 

[homwardbound]

okee dokee.

what else did he say?

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

now what?

It seems to me that they were already Baptized were they not, is not the gift new life in the Spirit of God? They received before they were Baptized in water, how is it that man again has gotten in the way of the gift of God? Why Did Paul ask those about being born again and they said they only knew John's Baptism and he laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost. Oh should we not make another Doctrine out of the laying on of hands too?
How absurd, for man to get in the way of the free gift of God through the cross of his Son. Can't do what God wants did not Peter say this in /Acts 11
[h=3]Acts 11:16-17[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

 

[chatter23]

no, don't stop there

you have an open book.

what you perceive as resentment is actually a distaste for idolatrous notions of God.
the humor is to make it all palatable enough to wade through.

off for lunch.

then we can look at your idolatry. no sarcasm or resentment.
just your words.

then i know what's fun - after that you can tell me all about the me you don't know.

yet.

Nope
It would be against my better judgment.

 

[homwardbound]

what about those who say they believe but don't even bother with the simple commandment?

Mark 16
15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Acts 1:2
until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.

It is not my Job to say who believes or not, it is my Job to trust God as Jesus told his disciples to trust as in Matthew
[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. [SUP]19[/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

As well as this is every believers Job to spread the news, no editing needed for when it is God doing the work through you there is no need is there? Only Flesh doubts and edits everything as the Pharisees and the Jewish religious leaders did, while Christ was known here in the Flesh.
Today we know him no more in the flesh, no in the Spirit.

 

[homwardbound]

that's amazing home!
what a cool testimony.
i like the Welcome to your new location

so you were raised in the faith from a child.
very good.
okay....lunchtime

ttyl

Isn't the Spiritual meat much more satisfying than physical? Thanks Zone glad this helped you someway somehow and is this not what the body of Christ is for?

 

[homwardbound]

God is not a guy, He is spirit . He is not flesh and blood. You are still a sweet saved guy.

Thank you for that truth, you are so right, there is an amazing book That I read about that, trying to remember the name?
Called "THE SHACK"
About a man that lost his Daughter to a pervert, and she was found dead in a Shack. One day he got a letter in the mail, that said meet him at "THE SHACK". no post stamp on the letter and mail had not even run yet that day.
Anyway, the book takes off after that and it was helpful to me in getting over my agony of those that have died befoere me, that I was close to/
Check it out, you might like and you might not. Yet in this book it portrayed God as a Woman cooking and serving, Amazing
No male, no female, no Jew, no Gentile, we are all one in and from the sight of God Thanks to Christ, the way, the truth and the new Life found in Christ and only through Christ's finished at the cross for all that believe
Hope you enjoy/

 

[homwardbound]

translation: water baptism is a prideful work of the flesh which does not please God.

okay....smoothie, quesadillas for myself and my neighbor...then a nap.
dis makes me tired.

ONE BAPTISM.

home, later i'll start a thread on Mid-Acts Dispensationlism and you and i can go through it together and see what it teaches and see if it matches scripture.

you might be right. but pretty sure not.
k.....zone

So Zone either you believe in God's Baptism of the Holy Spirit or you don't. It seems you are promoting water as the one Baptism, since you agree there is only one is this? Or are you combining the two as many do with Law and grace. when I know oil and water can't mix, nor can flesh and Spirit of God mix, since no flesh as per scripture will ever please God, only flesh that ever did was and is Christ Jesus, and we today do not know him according to flesh, known according the Spirit of God the Father of Christ
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2 Corinthians 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.

 

[homwardbound]

Again you continue to avoid explaining verses like these

Romans 6

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

How do you deal with those passages? Paul flat out says IN BAPTISM we are baptized INTO Christ's death,and BURIED with Him. Paul plainly says something HAPPENS in baptism. No matter how hard you try you can't get around it that it is NOT just an outward sign of an inward change.

Never mind that Paul goes through all the things about the rituals that CAN DO NOTHING only for Jesus then to command something that in and of itself that would be just another ritual. How does that make sense to remove all the other rituals only to replace with something that is nothing more then a NEW RITUAL?

Paul says somethings happens in baptism so that we CAN LIVE A NEW LIFE,if that is NOT REGENERATION THEN WHAT IS IT? Please explain.

Maybe read verse 3 of romans 6 again Sister
3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death

It says Baptized into Christ not John's water Baptism, CHRIST'S BAPTISM
Just clarifying truth that has been mistranslated. Christ's Baptism is not John's is it?