Bride isn't going to be in the tribulation
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Read it again. It says he will make war with the saints.
Believers that refuse his mark will be put to death (by him), so yes he will overcome them in the last days. Believers will die for their faith. Why are you saying these are deceived? How are they deceived? Obviously they're not because they refuse his mark and get put to death as a result. It's those who don't know the truth that will be deceived by the enemy and they will take his mark.
As I said before, the big deception will fool those that are lost (unbelievers), they will believe the lie and many of them will perish because they didn't receive the love of the truth that they might be saved.
The rapture has nothing to do with this end time deception, so don't lean on your own understanding but look at what the scriptures say.
Believers that refuse his mark will be put to death (by him), so yes he will overcome them in the last days. Believers will die for their faith. Why are you saying these are deceived? How are they deceived? Obviously they're not because they refuse his mark and get put to death as a result. It's those who don't know the truth that will be deceived by the enemy and they will take his mark.
As I said before, the big deception will fool those that are lost (unbelievers), they will believe the lie and many of them will perish because they didn't receive the love of the truth that they might be saved.
The rapture has nothing to do with this end time deception, so don't lean on your own understanding but look at what the scriptures say.
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no, 'parently we have a different class or breed of saints in the trib.
the other saints get raptured before that.
even though there is nothing at all in the Bible that says the church (millions of christians) vanish.
not a word.
that in itself would be the signal that something was up.
not mentioned.
the other saints get raptured before that.
even though there is nothing at all in the Bible that says the church (millions of christians) vanish.
not a word.
that in itself would be the signal that something was up.
not mentioned.
B
The same way that Stephen was overcome through stoning in Acts 7. The same way that Christians have been persecuted since the inception of the church. It was given unto the beast to overcome the saints. The word 'overcome' means 'to conquer'. The beast will be given authority to make war and will no overcome (conquer) the faith of the saints but will overcome (conquer) the saints because of their faith.
L
Matt 24:22 "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."
Rev 7:9 - A multitude beyond numbering.... martyred during the Great Tribulation.... how do you get an unfathomable multitude of martyrs if the believers are all raptured.
Rev 16:15 - the thief in the night verses (Luke 12:39,40; 2 Peter 3:10; 1 Thes 5:2; Rev 3:3) all point to the moment before Armageddon, not a pre-trib rapture.
If people would let go of pre-trib rapture, they would be able to finally realize that the 70 weeks of Daniel were complete in ad 70, and then they would realize that the Great Tribulation is not only 7 years long, then they would realize that many of these things have been happening since before the Crusades, and that only a handful of prophecies in Rev and Dan and Ezek are left.
Rev 7:9 - A multitude beyond numbering.... martyred during the Great Tribulation.... how do you get an unfathomable multitude of martyrs if the believers are all raptured.
Rev 16:15 - the thief in the night verses (Luke 12:39,40; 2 Peter 3:10; 1 Thes 5:2; Rev 3:3) all point to the moment before Armageddon, not a pre-trib rapture.
If people would let go of pre-trib rapture, they would be able to finally realize that the 70 weeks of Daniel were complete in ad 70, and then they would realize that the Great Tribulation is not only 7 years long, then they would realize that many of these things have been happening since before the Crusades, and that only a handful of prophecies in Rev and Dan and Ezek are left.
This is a fruitless topic. What is really gained here, because no matter what scriptures are presented the one with an opposing view will always reject it and twist the scriptures to fit their view, so it becomes an endless discussion.
As the faithful church we go through daily trials and tribulations because we live in a sinful and fallen world, but we are being patient. Because of our perseverance He will keep us from this time to come.
The purpose of the tribulation is to test "those who dwell on the earth", those who are of the world and not of God. The great tribulation is the last call to repentance for the non believers. Some will be saved during the tribulation, but they will lose their lives for their faith.
As the faithful church we go through daily trials and tribulations because we live in a sinful and fallen world, but we are being patient. Because of our perseverance He will keep us from this time to come.
The purpose of the tribulation is to test "those who dwell on the earth", those who are of the world and not of God. The great tribulation is the last call to repentance for the non believers. Some will be saved during the tribulation, but they will lose their lives for their faith.
L
Try reading and studying the entire book of Revelation for the answer to Katy's statement.
Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Revelation 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Revelation 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Revelation 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Revelation 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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J
1.There may be a Post-Trib Rapture, but there isn't going to be a Pre-Trib Rapture. In other words, EVERYONE is going to be left behind.
2. NO ONE is "saved" until the day that we die. THEN Jesus decides whether we are worthy of going to Heaven or not.
3. The Elect will consist of 144,000 first born males, who NEVER lie and who have NEVER had sexual relations.- 12,000 of whom will be Jewish, the rest will be Christian.
2. NO ONE is "saved" until the day that we die. THEN Jesus decides whether we are worthy of going to Heaven or not.
3. The Elect will consist of 144,000 first born males, who NEVER lie and who have NEVER had sexual relations.- 12,000 of whom will be Jewish, the rest will be Christian.
J
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey Ms. Linda!!!! You took me off ignore! 
But telling me Revelations ain't telling me nothing. I would like scripture that backs up the notion that those that are "left behind" will find salvation, and that they are the elect that Jesus said he would gather from the four winds. (Matt 24:31)
But telling me Revelations ain't telling me nothing. I would like scripture that backs up the notion that those that are "left behind" will find salvation, and that they are the elect that Jesus said he would gather from the four winds. (Matt 24:31)
I respectfully but completely disagree, We know not the day he will come and he will come as a thief in night. So most likely quickly and suddenly. Why does he say for us to always have our house in order because we no not the day or hour? are we not to have our hearts prepared for his coming at any day? and also I don't think we know the number of people to be taken either.
L
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey Ms. Linda!!!! You took me off ignore!
But telling me Revelations ain't telling me nothing. I would like scripture that backs up the notion that those that are "left behind" will find salvation, and that they are the elect that Jesus said he would gather from the four winds. (Matt 24:31)
But telling me Revelations ain't telling me nothing. I would like scripture that backs up the notion that those that are "left behind" will find salvation, and that they are the elect that Jesus said he would gather from the four winds. (Matt 24:31)
The "elect" who are "gathered from the four winds" in Matthew 24:31 are the remnant of Jews (who physically survived the tribulation) from the diaspora who will be regathered to Israel to reign with Christ during the Millennium.
L
I agree with your disagreement, but disagree with your reason. The "thief in the night" image applies only to the Battle of Armageddon/Christ's 2nd Coming, never the Rapture. Rev 16:15 is the moment of the event in question.
If you believe in an imminent Rapture, go for the parable of the pairs of workers.
The 5 "thief in the night" passages are some of the main reasons for not holding to a 7-year Tribulation.
The Bible doesn't talk about an imminent Rapture, but speaks of an imminent 2nd coming.
If you believe in an imminent Rapture, go for the parable of the pairs of workers.
The 5 "thief in the night" passages are some of the main reasons for not holding to a 7-year Tribulation.
The Bible doesn't talk about an imminent Rapture, but speaks of an imminent 2nd coming.
FOR ALL PRETRIBUALTION PEOPLE COULD YOU ANSWER ME WHAT LESSON CAN WE LEARN FROM THES VERSES AS PERTAINING TO THE FUTURE RAPTURE ? THANKS
EXODUS 8
20 And the Lord said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh; lo, he cometh forth to the water; and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
21 Else, if thou wilt not let my people go, behold, I will send swarms of flies upon thee, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thy houses: and the houses of the Egyptians shall be full of swarms of flies, and also the ground whereon they are.
22 And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the Lord in the midst of the earth.
23 And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.
24 And the Lord did so; and there came a grievous swarm of flies into the house of Pharaoh, and into his servants' houses, and into all the land of Egypt: the land was corrupted by reason of the swarm of flies.
NOTE THREE OF THE PLAGUE THAT WERE IN EGYPT ARE FOUNFD IN REVELATION HMMM
ALSO WHY DID NOT GOD TAKE ISRAEL INTO HEAVEN ?
WHY WAS THERE A DIVISON BETWEEN GOD PEOPLE AND THE EGYPTIANS ?
WHY AND HOW WAS THE FLIES ONLY IN THE EGYPTIANS HOUSE AND NOT THE ISRAELITES ?
COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER ME THESE QUESTIONS
HMMM GOD DOES NOT CHANGE SO I AM WONDERING EGYPT , GOSHEN HMMM ON THE EARTH GOD DIVISION HMMM LOOKS LIKE NO ONE WENT TO HEAVEN THAT DAY HMMM I WONDERR WHY
EXODUS 8
20 And the Lord said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh; lo, he cometh forth to the water; and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
21 Else, if thou wilt not let my people go, behold, I will send swarms of flies upon thee, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thy houses: and the houses of the Egyptians shall be full of swarms of flies, and also the ground whereon they are.
22 And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the Lord in the midst of the earth.
23 And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.
24 And the Lord did so; and there came a grievous swarm of flies into the house of Pharaoh, and into his servants' houses, and into all the land of Egypt: the land was corrupted by reason of the swarm of flies.
NOTE THREE OF THE PLAGUE THAT WERE IN EGYPT ARE FOUNFD IN REVELATION HMMM
ALSO WHY DID NOT GOD TAKE ISRAEL INTO HEAVEN ?
WHY WAS THERE A DIVISON BETWEEN GOD PEOPLE AND THE EGYPTIANS ?
WHY AND HOW WAS THE FLIES ONLY IN THE EGYPTIANS HOUSE AND NOT THE ISRAELITES ?
COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER ME THESE QUESTIONS
HMMM GOD DOES NOT CHANGE SO I AM WONDERING EGYPT , GOSHEN HMMM ON THE EARTH GOD DIVISION HMMM LOOKS LIKE NO ONE WENT TO HEAVEN THAT DAY HMMM I WONDERR WHY
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