Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?

[Demi777]

People here get banned if they are abusive, offensive, etc. I havent seen a case yet where people just got banned for fun.. If people were banned for bringing harsher different opinions, I would have been banned long ago.. especially on trinity and holiday threads.. lol
Trust me. You dont just get banned for different opinions. Just keep it real and classy. Calling someone dog poo isnt classy, so thats not a good option to go with (just a example)

 

[popeye]

Just so you guys on here know, I’m a relatively new Christian who just recently started going to church. I don’t know very much yet and It’s why I don’t post very much. I’m still learning about it. So for now, I mostly like to read other peoples posts to get everyone’s point of view. But when I see some people being banned and called names for posting different scriptures from the bible, it honestly makes me question the other sides integrity. I am trying to understand the bible’s trinity for myself from all Christian points of view, not just the ones who have the power to ban the others. I wish they would let everyone speak about it. If you have the truth then let me see it for myself so I can compare instead of just banning the others. It actually makes me lean towards their side more when I keep seeing this happening to them. Anyways, sorry if I ruined the atmosphere in here.

The deity of Jesus is the core of our faith. Without it,there is no Christianity at all.

God HAD TO BE ON THE CROSS.

That is the ENTIRE reason The God-man came to earth.

The eternal question is,Who Is Jesus?

Was he created?

Or is he Creator.

 

[valiant]

Jesus said, 'That all may honour the Son AS they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son (as they honour the Father), does not honour the Father Who sent Him.' John 5.23


“For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given the Son to have life in Himself” John 5.26


Jesus answered them, “MY Father is working still and I am working.” This was why the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God John 5.17-18


“Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” John 8.58


Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father and we will be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know Me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father. John 14.9


“And this is life eternal, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent – and now, Father, glorify Me with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17.5)


John said, 'In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was face to face with God, and What God was the Word was, – and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1.1, 14).


The risen Jesus said, “Baptising them in the (one) Name (YHWH) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28.19


And for us there is ONE GOD, the Father, from Whom are all things and for Whom we exist, and ONE LORD through Whom are all things and through Whom we exist 1 Corinthians 8.6 (in contrast with the many gods and lords)


He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstBORN before the whole of creation Colossians 1.15


In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form Colossians 2.9


Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2.13


When the goodness and kindness of God our Saviour appeared, – which He poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3.4, 6


In the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ – of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1.1 ,11 (phrases exactly parallel in the Greek except one has theos the other has kurios).


Who being the outshining of His glory and the exact representation of His substance Heb 1.3


He is the SON in contrast to all angels Heb 1.4 following.


Thomas called Him, “my LORD and my God”. John 20.28

John 14:28
You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Mark 13:32
No One Knows That Day or Hour 32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

If you are genuine answer my scriptures, don't just post ones which are easy to deal with and simply bring out that Jesus emptied Himself for a time.

 

[jaybird88]

Well ,sorta.

The main deal with Catholics was deifying the elements.

when i i say rome im referring to roman (sun worshiping) empire not Catholics.

Those they burned would not worship the bread and wine.

exactly, anyone with a different opinion were burned and silenced. and they did that to thousand up on thousands. Jesus and the 12 killed ZERO. Jesus said by their (False teachers) fruits you will know them. rome killed Jesus, 11 of the 12, burned down the Lords temple, crusades and so much more, that does not sound like good fruits at all to me yet we accept any doctrine they hand down to us

But don't start a website as a heretic and cultist,then teach others on this forum how to pervert the word.
The leadership here has no patience for that mess.

That is why I reported the heretic.

Go back and look how he gave the slip every time I asked him for a group that believed like him.

you reported them, silenced them the exact same reason rome killed any and all other Christians, they had a different opinion.

they were not heretics as they had scriptures backing all thier words.

 

[jaybird88]

The Sadducees.

it was pharisees. have you not studied any of this at all. council of jamnia (masoritic text) was a pharisee council. and there is still Pharisaic Judaism to this day.

 

[valiant]

it was pharisees. have you not studied any of this at all. council of jamnia (masoritic text) was a pharisee council. and there is still Pharisaic Judaism to this day.

YOU said

Originally Posted by jaybird88

pharisees
sadducee
zealots
essenes
these were your groups in the days of Jesus, which was the biggest, had the most influence, controlled the direction of the temple and jumped when king herod said jump?

That was AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem which came 40 years AFTER the death of Christ.

The people you described were the Sadducees.

There was not a council of Jamnia, just some rabbis . Read sound history.

 

[popeye]

when i i say rome im referring to roman (sun worshiping) empire not Catholics.



exactly, anyone with a different opinion were burned and silenced. and they did that to thousand up on thousands. Jesus and the 12 killed ZERO. Jesus said by their (False teachers) fruits you will know them. rome killed Jesus, 11 of the 12, burned down the Lords temple, crusades and so much more, that does not sound like good fruits at all to me yet we accept any doctrine they hand down to us




you reported them, silenced them the exact same reason rome killed any and all other Christians, they had a different opinion.

they were not heretics as they had scriptures backing all thier words.

They, are heretics,not because I say so,but because they pervert and seek to unsettle who Jesus is.

So,my friend,who is Jesus?

Is he created,or creator?

 

[popeye]

when i i say rome im referring to roman (sun worshiping) empire not Catholics.



exactly, anyone with a different opinion were burned and silenced. and they did that to thousand up on thousands. Jesus and the 12 killed ZERO. Jesus said by their (False teachers) fruits you will know them. rome killed Jesus, 11 of the 12, burned down the Lords temple, crusades and so much more, that does not sound like good fruits at all to me yet we accept any doctrine they hand down to us




you reported them, silenced them the exact same reason rome killed any and all other Christians, they had a different opinion.

they were not heretics as they had scriptures backing all thier words.

No,only quasar.

The other heretic was their call. Which was a no brainer.

 

[popeye]

when i i say rome im referring to roman (sun worshiping) empire not Catholics.



exactly, anyone with a different opinion were burned and silenced. and they did that to thousand up on thousands. Jesus and the 12 killed ZERO. Jesus said by their (False teachers) fruits you will know them. rome killed Jesus, 11 of the 12, burned down the Lords temple, crusades and so much more, that does not sound like good fruits at all to me yet we accept any doctrine they hand down to us




you reported them, silenced them the exact same reason rome killed any and all other Christians, they had a different opinion.

they were not heretics as they had scriptures backing all thier words.

Perverting and omitting verses is what all cults do. They incorporate verses.

Not the same thing as exegetical study.

In fact we made them go AGAINST the word of God.

 

[jaybird88]

Perverting and omitting verses is what all cults do. They incorporate verses.

Not the same thing as exegetical study.

In fact we made them go AGAINST the word of God.

kind of like ignoring and twisting scriptures to make a doctrine work, where have i heard that before . . .

 

[jaybird88]

No,only quasar.

The other heretic was their call. Which was a no brainer.

if he was a heretic why did you not prove he was with scripture?

 

[valiant]

if he was a heretic why did you not prove he was with scripture?

we did ....

 

[valiant]

kind of like ignoring and twisting scriptures to make a doctrine work, where have i heard that before . . .

try the mirror

 

[jaybird88]

we did ....

by falsely accusing and having them banned? not sure i would call that a win.

remember the movie gladiator where commodus has his thugs hold down maximus while he stabbs him, then challenges him to a fight. but i guess commodus had no choice as he knew there was no other way to beat him fairly and honestly.

try the mirror

have you lost it?? im not the one using man made doctrines as a tool against other believers. im trying to speak against it.

 

[popeye]

if he was a heretic why did you not prove he was with scripture?

Who do you say Jesus is?

Creator?

or Created?

 

[popeye]

by falsely accusing and having them banned? not sure i would call that a win.

remember the movie gladiator where commodus has his thugs hold down maximus while he stabbs him, then challenges him to a fight. but i guess commodus had no choice as he knew there was no other way to beat him fairly and honestly.



have you lost it?? im not the one using man made doctrines as a tool against other believers. im trying to speak against it.

Calling us heretics ?

(That would be one using man made doctrines)

 

[jaybird88]

Who do you say Jesus is?

Creator?

or Created?

what does Jesus say? i dont see Jesus putting a great deal of emphases on it and i dont see Jesus and the 12 stoning people for believing one way or the other.

Calling us heretics ?

(That would be one using man made doctrines)

i dont call others heretics for speaking their thoughts on where the Spirit leads them. i leave that to the pharisees.

 

[popeye]

what does Jesus say? i dont see Jesus putting a great deal of emphases on it and i dont see Jesus and the 12 stoning people for believing one way or the other.



i dont call others heretics for speaking their thoughts on where the Spirit leads them. i leave that to the pharisees.

Such a simple basic question.

I will ask you again.

Who is Jesus?

Who do YOU say he is?

Is he created?

Or is he creator?

Stop being slippery. Stop hiding. Answer the question.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Sometimes not an answer is also an answer

 

[garee]

Such a simple basic question.

I will ask you again.

Who is Jesus?

Who do YOU say he is?

Is he created?

Or is he creator?

Stop being slippery. Stop hiding. Answer the question.

The Son of man is used for a one time demonstration of a spiritual unseen work performed from the foundation of the world.He is a creature. He lived in a body of death by which we do not know him by ever again . The Son of God on the other hand is not subject to death. He remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof. Remaining a eternal Priest continually without a beginning

Job chapter 9 summarized by verses 32 and 33 is the key to help us understand again Christian do not need men to teach them it the Spirit of Christ alone who is authorized .

it would be impossible to to assume He was or ever would be a creature.

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.Job 9:32

Son of God speaks of God .The Son of man speaks of Christ as the Son of God ,the Holy Spirit temporally clothed with corruptible flesh that could die.