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oldhermit

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To begin with, planets form via accretion around an already existing sun. This is basic cosmology. Thus, there is no physical way that our earth could have existed before our sun.

Secondly, the Hebrew text of Gen 1 never says that our sun was 'created' on 'day' four....if that was the intent, then the creation verb 'bara' would have been employed....but, instead, a new creation verb is used 'haya' (i.e. be or exist).
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JackH said:
LOL.

How long has your head been buried in the sand?

6,000 years?

You are ignoring the person who is making the most sense on this thread.
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I owe you no explanation for why I choose to ignore anyone. This has nothing to do with the content of the post.
 
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Light is separated from the darkness. This is an interesting phenomenon. Light and darkness do not naturally separate. It required an act of God to separate the two. What does this say about the theory of natural determinacy i.e. the influence of natural law? It did not yet exist. Heaven and earth are matter, light is energy and matter. These are the two basic elements of physics. At this point in creation, there are no natural laws in place to influence their behavior. Light is separated from the darkness by an act of God. This will begin the sequence of time measurement. Matter and energy are being organized into a more complex life sustaining system.
C. Light is assigned to function which is to measure time, 5. God gives the definition of what constitutes a day.

1. Light = day + morning.
2. Darkness = night + evening.
The combination of these two represent a 24 hour period of time. This same standard of measurement is used in every stage of creation. From the first day before the sun, moon, and stars were created until after these are placed in the heavens as the standard measurement of evening and morning representing one day. This standard of measurement does not change throughout the chapter.
3. The laws of physics are now put in place. This will be represented in at least four ways.

a. Earth's rotation now seems to have already been set in motion on day one. When Light and darkness are separated this results in the phenomenon of morning and evening due to the rotation of the earth on its axis with darkness on one hemisphere and light on the other.
b. This also means that earth's magnetic fields are now in place which is formed by the flow of the earth's liquid iron core. The magnetic field will be necessary to protect the earth against solar radiation when the sun is created on day four.
c. Because of the rotation of the earth, gravitational forces are now operational.
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Bowman said:
To begin with, planets form via accretion around an already existing sun. This is basic cosmology. Thus, there is no physical way that our earth could have existed before our sun.

God is not physical, therefore With God All Things Are Possible!

Secondly, the Hebrew text of Gen 1 never says that our sun was 'created' on 'day' four....if that was the intent, then the creation verb 'bara' would have been employed....but, instead, a new creation verb is used 'haya' (i.e. be or exist).

So are we to disregard our bibles then, throw them in the trash, because all the scholars that translated the Hebrew text to English were apparently wrong.

God created all that we see from nothing, then i am sure he was able to create whatever he wanted in whatever order he wanted.
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Bowman, no disrespect intended but you are kinda sounding like an evolutionist/pope.

God bless
 
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Bowman said:
To begin with, planets form via accretion around an already existing sun. This is basic cosmology. Thus, there is no physical way that our earth could have existed before our sun.

Secondly, the Hebrew text of Gen 1 never says that our sun was 'created' on 'day' four....if that was the intent, then the creation verb 'bara' would have been employed....but, instead, a new creation verb is used 'haya' (i.e. be or exist).
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And what you are also saying is that God did not in fact create the universe in 6 days, because that as we know would be physically impossible.

So can you tell us how long it took God to create the universe please, as per my original question on this thread,

Thank you

God bless
 
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as far as I know it seems there is no agreement or certainty as to what fuels the sun or that the earth orbits the sun or that matter exists - wincam
 
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Oldhermit - 1. Light = day + morning.
2. Darkness = night + evening.
The combination of these two represent a 24 hour period of time. This same standard of measurement is used in every stage of creation. From the first day before the sun, moon, and stars were created until after these are placed in the heavens as the standard measurement of evening and morning representing one day. This standard of measurement does not change throughout the chapter.
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That is adding to Scripture says LIGHT is called day and DARKNESS is called night. Thus a creation day is a period of light. Furthermore 'evening ' is not night. It is the close of the day. So both morning and evening are part of the period of light which is called 'day'. As Jesus said. Are there not 12 hours in the DAY?

When Elijah was gone forty days and forty nights the days were 12 hour days. Thus 'forty days' on its own probably refers to forty periods of light. Indeed it is questionable whether 'day' is ever used of a 24 hour period. I will be interested to see if you can prove me wrong FROM SCRIPTURE.
 
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That is adding to Scripture says LIGHT is called day and DARKNESS is called night. Thus a creation day is a period of light. Furthermore 'evening ' is not night. It is the close of the day. So both morning and evening are part of the period of light which is called 'day'. As Jesus said. Are there not 12 hours in the DAY?

When Elijah was gone forty days and forty nights the days were 12 hour days. Thus 'forty days' on its own probably refers to forty periods of light. Indeed it is questionable whether 'day' is ever used of a 24 hour period. I will be interested to see if you can prove me wrong FROM SCRIPTURE.
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valiant said:
LOL close your eyes and hope the truth will go away. You always ignore when you have no answer
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Valiant, why don't you leave people alone? All you do is roam around on these threads stirring up trouble. You have not been right about anything since you came on this forum.
 
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valiant said:
That is adding to Scripture says LIGHT is called day and DARKNESS is called night. Thus a creation day is a period of light. Furthermore 'evening ' is not night. It is the close of the day. So both morning and evening are part of the period of light which is called 'day'. As Jesus said. Are there not 12 hours in the DAY?

When Elijah was gone forty days and forty nights the days were 12 hour days. Thus 'forty days' on its own probably refers to forty periods of light. Indeed it is questionable whether 'day' is ever used of a 24 hour period. I will be interested to see if you can prove me wrong FROM SCRIPTURE.
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some even and also insist that a day is a thousand years without telling us long the thousands of days are in the thousands of years - daft I call it - wincam
 
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eyesonly said:
And what you are also saying is that God did not in fact create the universe in 6 days, because that as we know would be physically impossible.

So can you tell us how long it took God to create the universe please, as per my original question on this thread,

Thank you

God bless
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The Universe was created in Gen 1.1....before 'Day 1'.

The Six 'days' describes the progessive changes to the earth to make it habitable for advanced life forms.

This would be in epochs of time....NOT 24hrs each...

 
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oldhermit said:
Valiant, why don't you leave people alone? All you do is roam around on these threads stirring up trouble. You have not been right about anything since you came on this forum.
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you mean I have disagreed with YOU. I have had plenty of appreciations in notifications for what I say.

But the Devil is afraid of the truth and you listen to Him :)
 
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valiant said:
you mean I have disagreed with YOU. I have had plenty of appreciations in notifications for what I say.

But the Devil is afraid of the truth and you listen to Him :)
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OH is not much for spontaneous discussion.

If the discourse varies from his outlined cut-n-paste articles, then he is at a loss on what to say...
 
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If anyone thinks the work in man is finished, they forget, they must put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness....just saying, Christ said he came to finish the Father's work. And that work was IN man....
 
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Jeff_56 said:
watch out for the 12 hour daylight / 12 hour day that attempts to change other scripture in their error.(look up online - it's very strange and without any good purpose)
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why is science being used on this forum to explain things, so how is 2015 try to describe the writer of 6 day created. how could you describe it. using modern day understanding. not only are you contending with how 2015 understand things, your contending trying to work out the writer of the story of genesis.(on this one topic) and you wonder why there is different intellects contending for understanding, yet you can only see error. lol
 
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eyesonly said:
And what you are also saying is that God did not in fact create the universe in 6 days, because that as we know would be physically impossible.

So can you tell us how long it took God to create the universe please, as per my original question on this thread,

Thank you

God bless
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God mostly creates in an instant - Jesus as God created wine in an instant and also loaves and fishes etc - wincam
 
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