Did Samson look physically strong?

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Anyways, I did find some quick searching and I found a verse in Scripture that does suggest that Samson was not a muscle type man like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

There hath not come a rasor upon mine head; for I have been a Nazarite unto God from my mother's womb: if I be shaven, then my strength will go from me, and I shall become weak, and be like any other man. (Judges 16:17).

Now, if Samson did look like a body builder and or he was super huge and stuff, then how could he be weak like any other man? The short answer is that he couldn't be weak like any other man if in fact he was all muscular and looked like a big ole hercules type guy.
That's cornball logic Jason. He could have been a PeeWee Hermann and still the same verse could apply. Are you really eager to twist Scripture so your idea holds water?
 

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Anyways, I did find some quick searching and I found a verse in Scripture that does suggest that Samson was not a muscle type man like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

There hath not come a rasor upon mine head; for I have been a Nazarite unto God from my mother's womb: if I be shaven, then my strength will go from me, and I shall become weak, and be like any other man. (Judges 16:17).

Now, if Samson did look like a body builder and or he was super huge and stuff, then how could he be weak like any other man? The short answer is that he couldn't be weak like any other man if in fact he was all muscular and looked like a big ole hercules type guy.
Does it say weak like any other "skinny man"?
No.
Does it say weak like any other "scrawny anemic man" ?
No.

WHO gets lumped into this general group of men?
ALL MEN.
The skinny ones are lumped in.
The fat ones are lumped in.
The BiG HUGE MUSCULAR ones are also lumped in.
ALL MEN are lumped into this phrase, "like any other man".

The phrase "weak, like any other man" is lumping ALL MEN TOGETHER, into one group.
God is saying ALL MEN, big and small, are the same.
It is saying, as far as God is concerned, ALL MEN ARE WEAK...
both the weak men, and the strong men... ALL ARE WEAK.

Since ALL MEN are lumped into this phrase, "like any other man",

then we have NO IDEA if SAMSON was skinny, fat, short, tall, or muscular.


We have no idea.

YOU CANNOT DRAW ANY CONCLUSION ABOUT HIS SIZE OR APPEARANCE FROM THIS VERSE.

THIS VERSE TELLS US NOTHING.


Even Arnold schwarzeneggerr, in his best days, was still "weak, like any other man"...
he had no divine super powers.
By God's standards, Arnold schwarzeneggerr was "weak, like any other man".

Samson, whether muscular, or scrawny, was still "weak, like any other man".

So, we still have NO IDEA what Samson looked like.

The phrase "weak, like any other man" applies to ALL MEN,
so it can't tell us what Samson looked like.

No matter how you slice it,
this verse TELLS US NOTHING about Samson's appearance.


We still have no idea if he was skinny, or muscular, or roly poly... we have no idea.
 

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No. I am merely saying it was wrong of them to back wrong behavior. Surely if you cannot see it, then I would ask God to help you to see it. For it is serious.
wrong behavior? Your criteria for such? Straining after a gnat while swallowing a camel?
 

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"....for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart."
(1 Samuel 16:7).
True, keep to Scripture.
So why are you trying to figure out Samsons outward appearance in the light of that passage? Aren't we to have the mind of Christ?
 
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Sigh..I tell you this thread could be about apple pie and Jason will offend.

Whats wrong with you Jason?
Are you ever just going to stop?
Stop it.
Stop being a vain jerk.
Its every thread you join.

When are you going to see Jason
That if 97 percent of members...have an issue with your posts.
Its obvious YOU have a problem NOT the members.

Heavens

I dunno what else to say.
Im sorry friends
Im gone
 
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Dear Pumicestone:

The Lord deserves all the glory, honor, and power.

"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." (Revelation 14:11).

So then...

I press towards the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:14).

Why? So...

"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." (Colossians 2:2-3).
 
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Sigh..I tell you this thread could be about apple pie and Jason will offend.

Whats wrong with you Jason?
Are you ever just going to stop?
Stop it.
Stop being a vain jerk.
Its every thread you join.

When are you going to see Jason
That if 97 percent of members...have an issue with your posts.
Its obvious YOU have a problem NOT the members.

Heavens

I dunno what else to say.
Im sorry friends
Im gone
Go back and read the thread. I asked for help and then some people started giving me attitude about it. If you cannot see it: Well, it is because you choose not to see it. For if you had a daughter and she asked such a question on this site and everyone here responded to her in such a manner, would you be happy about how folks responded?
 
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Does it say weak like any other "skinny man"?
No.
Does it say weak like any other "scrawny anemic man" ?
No.

WHO gets lumped into this general group of men?
ALL MEN.
The skinny ones are lumped in.
The fat ones are lumped in.
The BiG HUGE MUSCULAR ones are also lumped in.
ALL MEN are lumped into this phrase, "like any other man".

The phrase "weak, like any other man" is lumping ALL MEN TOGETHER, into one group.
God is saying ALL MEN, big and small, are the same.
It is saying, as far as God is concerned, ALL MEN ARE WEAK...
both the weak men, and the strong men... ALL ARE WEAK.

Since ALL MEN are lumped into this phrase, "like any other man",

then we have NO IDEA if SAMSON was skinny, fat, short, tall, or muscular.


We have no idea.

YOU CANNOT DRAW ANY CONCLUSION ABOUT HIS SIZE OR APPEARANCE FROM THIS VERSE.

THIS VERSE TELLS US NOTHING.


Even Arnold schwarzeneggerr, in his best days, was still "weak, like any other man"...
he had no divine super powers.
By God's standards, Arnold schwarzeneggerr was "weak, like any other man".

Samson, whether muscular, or scrawny, was still "weak, like any other man".

So, we still have NO IDEA what Samson looked like.

The phrase "weak, like any other man" applies to ALL MEN,
so it can't tell us what Samson looked like.

No matter how you slice it,
this verse TELLS US NOTHING about Samson's appearance.


We still have no idea if he was skinny, or muscular, or roly poly... we have no idea.
If Arnold Schwarzenegger said he would become weak as any other man, you would think he might have lost some serious muscle mass or something. For anyone with a significant amount of muscle is not as weak like your average everday ordinary guy. I mean, I am no weakling, and I remember shaking the hands of a guy who really worked out. His hands were like shaking steel vise grips. This was no surprise because I could tell he had some serious muscle to him.
 
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skylove7

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Go back and read the thread. I asked for help and then some people started giving me attitude about it. If you cannot see it: Well, it is because you choose not to see it. For if you had a daughter and she asked such a question on this site and everyone here responded to her in such a manner, would you be happy about how folks responded?
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Don't do battle with a woman Jason ..hehe
 
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Seriously? Please tell me how such a photo is Christ-like and loving and or setting an example of any of the apostles? Does this type of reaction prove that it is the fruit of Christ working in you?

Also, you didn't answer my question. Would you be happy if your future daughter or somone else you loved received the same type of treatment that I did in the beginning of this thread?
 
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Look look.... Scripture says nothing on this. But my old coloring book from reading this story in simplest terms might help out.

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Could have been taller or shorter maybe....can be tan or darker depending on the crayon colors.... still no Scripture on how to exactly draw this man.
 
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That's cornball logic Jason. He could have been a PeeWee Hermann and still the same verse could apply. Are you really eager to twist Scripture so your idea holds water?
Par for the course with him.......and on a regular basis at that!
 
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Look look.... Scripture says nothing on this. But my old coloring book from reading this story in simplest terms might help out.

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Could have been taller or shorter maybe....can be tan or darker depending on the crayon colors.... still no Scripture on how to exactly draw this man.
Did you happen to read Judges 16:17? If Samson was weak like other men, could have been an Arnold Schwarzenegger? You know such a guy would have surely not been like other men. But yet, that is how he is portrayed in many movies, comics, and children's stories (with the exception of your coloring book example here -- of course). Anyways, thank you for your input, and may God bless you.
 

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I think it is a counter productive topic, in general,
but if an answer is needed, then the answer is obvious:
It doesn't matter.

Based on the Philistines searching for the source of his strength, we can ASSUME that he was not like Arnold.
But that is merely an assumption.
Basing ANY doctrine, theology, or even philosophy upon an assumption of this type
is foolishness.

There is no edification to be found in this search, as NO Scripture gives even a clue about such things.

If you feel it is important, please share how it has any importance.

If my granddaughter asked the question, I would answer:
I am not sure, honey. When we meet the Lord in heaven, we should ask.
 
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SolidGround

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I do expect adults to ask questions above the level of a 6yr old,
especially when they claim as much authority as the OP claims in his general postings,
and I expect adults to accept rebuke when they are confronted with the frivolity of their question.

The way people deal with you is a product of your own dealings.
They would not respond the same way to another, because their experience with you grants them understanding into your motive... especially on the topic of Sampson, which you have beaten to death on several other threads.

I gave the benefit of the doubt, by stating a clear, relative response early on.
The benefit of doubt is a fickle thing.
 
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I was taught that Samson didn't physically look strong. If he was big and muscular then people would expect him to be able to do great things with his strength and God wouldn't get the glory. It is only through the power of Christ that he has the strength. So if he were very big, why would Delilah need to trick him into giving up the secret of his strength. If he were that big they would assume it was his muscles.

The bible says in Matthew 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last."
The bible also says in 1 Corinthians 26-31 "Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
 
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Go back and read the thread. I asked for help and then some people started giving me attitude about it. If you cannot see it: Well, it is because you choose not to see it. For if you had a daughter and she asked such a question on this site and everyone here responded to her in such a manner, would you be happy about how folks responded?
Jason,

A question for you,Was this question truly a real question or was this question designed as a trap question in which in the end you could play the martyr? On the surface that's what it appears to be. You didn't respond to those who appeared to be responding to you in a positive manner according to you,instead your first response back was about being mocked. Since then you have done very little on responding other then playing the martyr card. I hoping I'm wrong but something I don't think so.