Did the Ten Commandments Precede Moses?
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am i derailing? sorry. not meaning to.
Are Mushrooms Kosher?
Another Jewish Link About Mushrooms and Kosherness
honestly i'm a bit lost over all that technical dietary Talmudism. but i know this -
and perhaps that is illustrative of the difference between a law by written commandment and a law by Spirit.
((woohoo! back on topic!))
Are Mushrooms Kosher?
Another Jewish Link About Mushrooms and Kosherness
honestly i'm a bit lost over all that technical dietary Talmudism. but i know this -
everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving
(1 Timothy 4:4)
(1 Timothy 4:4)
and perhaps that is illustrative of the difference between a law by written commandment and a law by Spirit.
((woohoo! back on topic!))
well I don't want to get into a horticultural argument lol but to my mind there is a big difference between spores and seeds (as in fact you point out) Of course if we call anything that causes something to 'reproduce' seed then everything has seeds for everything reproduces 
and plants like liverworts can grow whole new plants just from fallen leaves, without any kind of seed/spore or whatnot.
i wonder about algae? i couldn't find any authoritative answer to whether or not it's kosher, LOL!
After eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil - man could distinguish between good and evil. Man lived by their conscience - what they believed was good or what was evil. God made the first animal sacrifice as a temporary solution for the sinful condition of Adam and Eve. By setting up this example of blood atonement, God was appealing to man's conscience to follow the right path . . . No written legal or moral code at this time.
Before the flood - God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually - their consciences by this time was greatly seared. The blood line of the Redeemer is in danger of being destroyed . . . Noah continues to sacrifice animals as atonement and God promises never to flood the earth again . . . man governs man. Man is accountable under this Civil Government and will be until Christ's return . . . [Rom. 13:1-7; 1 Cor. 4:3]
Israel rebels and refuses to follow Moses and because of their transgressions and lack of self government, God gave them the Law, a formal and written moral code.
Before the flood - God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually - their consciences by this time was greatly seared. The blood line of the Redeemer is in danger of being destroyed . . . Noah continues to sacrifice animals as atonement and God promises never to flood the earth again . . . man governs man. Man is accountable under this Civil Government and will be until Christ's return . . . [Rom. 13:1-7; 1 Cor. 4:3]
Israel rebels and refuses to follow Moses and because of their transgressions and lack of self government, God gave them the Law, a formal and written moral code.
Did the food "regulation" change? EVERY MOVING THING that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Gen. 9:3 So now they can eat every moving thing that liveth together with the green herb.
Then in Leviticus - the food "regulation" specified between eating animals [meat] that was clean or unclean.
Now in the Church epistles there is NO "food regulation" . . . [1 Co. 8:8; Col. 2:16]
Then in Leviticus - the food "regulation" specified between eating animals [meat] that was clean or unclean.
Now in the Church epistles there is NO "food regulation" . . . [1 Co. 8:8; Col. 2:16]
It is plain to see that the “law” God gave is to benefit man. The “blessings” are the natural result of obedience to those commands. The “curses” are the natural result of disobedience to His commands.
It is very much like when my children were growing up and as parents we gave them instruction which, if they followed, resulted in a good outcome. If they chose to ignore the instructions, they reaped the consequences.
It is very much like when my children were growing up and as parents we gave them instruction which, if they followed, resulted in a good outcome. If they chose to ignore the instructions, they reaped the consequences.
It should be because if you properly understand the 8 Bible covenants,found in scripture you will come to understand when the Law was given
You want to swipe this and keep it quiet, because if others really looked at it and went through the Bible and learned about the 8 Covenants, and the Law etc, it would unravel a doctrine that keeps people in bondage today.
My link completely destroys that doctrine and so does the Bible.
For anyone that wishes to really understand what the Bible says about the OP's original question the link is here:
http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs021m.pdf
So let me ask you since you state ALL of God's commands must be obeyed
Did you and do force in woman in your family to pitch a tent in the yard and stay in the tent for 7 days and stay out of the house when you or them has your monthly cycle?
Do you then tell them to go see your pastor and be confirmed clean before they come back to live in the house at the end of that 7 days?
Harsh of me to ask? Yes very!
Vulgar? not really, if you see the context of where I am going
Ridiculous? Very
But Not ridiculous if you state no you do not do that.
Not any more ridiculous than you all forcing people to adhere to the Law.
Did you and do force in woman in your family to pitch a tent in the yard and stay in the tent for 7 days and stay out of the house when you or them has your monthly cycle?
Do you then tell them to go see your pastor and be confirmed clean before they come back to live in the house at the end of that 7 days?
Harsh of me to ask? Yes very!
Vulgar? not really, if you see the context of where I am going
Ridiculous? Very
But Not ridiculous if you state no you do not do that.
Not any more ridiculous than you all forcing people to adhere to the Law.
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basic morality...which is summarized in the ten commandments...did exist before moses...
however the whole set of ten commandments as a revelation of God's will were not given before the time of moses...
people sometimes claim that since the bible clearly establishes that it was wrong for cain to murder abel then the ten commandments already existed because one of the ten commandments prohibits murder...however there is a difference between basic morality known by conscience and the actual direct revelation of God's directives...
however the whole set of ten commandments as a revelation of God's will were not given before the time of moses...
people sometimes claim that since the bible clearly establishes that it was wrong for cain to murder abel then the ten commandments already existed because one of the ten commandments prohibits murder...however there is a difference between basic morality known by conscience and the actual direct revelation of God's directives...
Talk to the moderators if you want this thread to end.
Oh don't be so thin skinned; I didn't mean it like that.
In reality, you're constructing a scenario that cannot be supported by Scripture. The thread should end.
But it won't, because you'll continue to copy and paste articles from the 'Restored Church of God', which is simply a splinter group that formed when the Worldwide Church of God collapsed in a heap of GRACE (after the death of Herbert Armstrong) and leadership renounced its former teachings in favor of New Covenant doctrine.
Robert C. Pack headed up the 'Restored Church of God', which carries on many of the false teachings found in the old WWCG teachings. An excerpt from the article, To All Who Are Considering Joining Restored Church of God:
What if I am becoming hooked on Restored Church of God literature? (and videos)
Be sure and educate yourself on the mind control methods that are used in exclusive groups to draw people in and to keep them from leaving. Understand that there are many others besides Restored Church of God that also believe "the Kingdom of God is coming soon" and which declare their church is the "only one" which has received "God's truths," the "restored gospel," etc., and are the "special and chosen," "the only true Christians," and who alone are "doing the Work of God." These groups also all teach that members who leave their fellowship (and who do not repent and return) have lost their chance at eternal life. With their teachings come guilt, shame, and fear to compel people to send in tithes (in most cases three tithes are commanded) and offerings, spend lots of time doing things for the group, and believing that all who don't follow their beliefs and teachings are "deceived by Satan" and are lost.
The pull to believe David Pack's teachings and to think you are finding hidden mysteries, truths, or understanding prophecies for the last days, can be very strong, almost like an addiction, but look at the fruits. Even in the early years when HWA was teaching all the things that the leadership said was from God, he was living a hypocritical, immoral life and his ministers under him were abusing thousands of people. (See our Booklist to learn more about this.) Many of us who went into WCG in those years were thrilled to find these teachings, which we called "God's truth." We did not know upfront what the organization was all about; we didn't understand thought reform and how it was being used on us, and we didn't know we were going to be used and manipulated as deceptive, abusive groups keep much of their information hidden until one becomes a member.
Most who are drawn to these exclusive groups desire to become highly dedicated Christians, with a goal and purpose in life, but they end up receiving something entirely different than what they were promised--psychological and spiritual abuse, along with financial exploitation. Read some of the true letters and stories on our site about what others have said happened to them after they went into RCG (or were involved with it).
Be sure and read: Without My Informed Consent! which is a sample contract of what happens to people who join these groups. The control that RCG (and similar authoritarian splinter groups) exert over people's lives ends up crushing them.
Right now, you are freely reading these webpages, but realize that if you join RCG, you will be forbidden by the RCG ministers to even look at any articles on the Internet that are considered critical of the group or the teachings. This is what is known as "milieu control," and high demand, deceptive religious groups all use it. Once you become a member, if you go against their teachings and instructions, you will be warned of your "government problem," and if you still don't change, you will be disfellowshipped and told you are headed towards the lake of fire. These are all things you need to consider now, instead of waiting until it is too late.
Jesus said His burden was light. (Matt. 11:28-30) He tells us that no man can take us out of His hand. (John 10:28) But Restored Church of God will end up making you believe that your salvation is contingent on your staying in their "one true church."
God will speak to you about His true gospel if you ask Him--and He speaks through His Word, not through additional literature that is considered "the Truth." You can sincerely pray and ask Him to show you the way to eternal life. The message of salvation is the same as it's been down through history: Turn to God and trust Jesus as your personal Savior. Jesus will come to live in you and you will have loving, close fellowship with Him. God will see you as in Christ. Look to Him, not to any man who makes you think he has all the answers and who will end up controlling every aspect of your life. Jesus will never forsake you and will always be there for you.
Dear readers, know what you're dealing with here. Be sure and educate yourself on the mind control methods that are used in exclusive groups to draw people in and to keep them from leaving. Understand that there are many others besides Restored Church of God that also believe "the Kingdom of God is coming soon" and which declare their church is the "only one" which has received "God's truths," the "restored gospel," etc., and are the "special and chosen," "the only true Christians," and who alone are "doing the Work of God." These groups also all teach that members who leave their fellowship (and who do not repent and return) have lost their chance at eternal life. With their teachings come guilt, shame, and fear to compel people to send in tithes (in most cases three tithes are commanded) and offerings, spend lots of time doing things for the group, and believing that all who don't follow their beliefs and teachings are "deceived by Satan" and are lost.
The pull to believe David Pack's teachings and to think you are finding hidden mysteries, truths, or understanding prophecies for the last days, can be very strong, almost like an addiction, but look at the fruits. Even in the early years when HWA was teaching all the things that the leadership said was from God, he was living a hypocritical, immoral life and his ministers under him were abusing thousands of people. (See our Booklist to learn more about this.) Many of us who went into WCG in those years were thrilled to find these teachings, which we called "God's truth." We did not know upfront what the organization was all about; we didn't understand thought reform and how it was being used on us, and we didn't know we were going to be used and manipulated as deceptive, abusive groups keep much of their information hidden until one becomes a member.
Most who are drawn to these exclusive groups desire to become highly dedicated Christians, with a goal and purpose in life, but they end up receiving something entirely different than what they were promised--psychological and spiritual abuse, along with financial exploitation. Read some of the true letters and stories on our site about what others have said happened to them after they went into RCG (or were involved with it).
Be sure and read: Without My Informed Consent! which is a sample contract of what happens to people who join these groups. The control that RCG (and similar authoritarian splinter groups) exert over people's lives ends up crushing them.
Right now, you are freely reading these webpages, but realize that if you join RCG, you will be forbidden by the RCG ministers to even look at any articles on the Internet that are considered critical of the group or the teachings. This is what is known as "milieu control," and high demand, deceptive religious groups all use it. Once you become a member, if you go against their teachings and instructions, you will be warned of your "government problem," and if you still don't change, you will be disfellowshipped and told you are headed towards the lake of fire. These are all things you need to consider now, instead of waiting until it is too late.
Jesus said His burden was light. (Matt. 11:28-30) He tells us that no man can take us out of His hand. (John 10:28) But Restored Church of God will end up making you believe that your salvation is contingent on your staying in their "one true church."
God will speak to you about His true gospel if you ask Him--and He speaks through His Word, not through additional literature that is considered "the Truth." You can sincerely pray and ask Him to show you the way to eternal life. The message of salvation is the same as it's been down through history: Turn to God and trust Jesus as your personal Savior. Jesus will come to live in you and you will have loving, close fellowship with Him. God will see you as in Christ. Look to Him, not to any man who makes you think he has all the answers and who will end up controlling every aspect of your life. Jesus will never forsake you and will always be there for you.
-JGIG
Cite your cult source, 'just-me': Did the Ten Commandments Precede Moses?
Or don't you want folks to be able to examine where the teachings you espouse come from?
-JGIG
amen to that
please disregard the last paragraph of my previous post here:
please disregard the last paragraph of my previous post here:
'just-me' is simply passing along false teaching, not engaging in genuine discussion.
Just sayin'.
Carry on as you see fit/feel led
.-JGIG
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Relating to the Reformed Church of God links and posts which is basically Armstrongism:
I was a member of Worldwide Church of God during Armstrongism and about a decade after. They not only taught that the Sabbath and Holy Days were necessary for salvation but denied the salvation of all Christians outside their fellowship. Definitely non Sabbathkeepers were considered to be unsaved and still in their sins. They denied the Trinity and held that the Holy Spirit was not a Person but a force God used to accomplish his will. They believed that Christians were God beings in embryonic form and would be fully God in the resurrection. They held a view of Gods nature that is anthropomorphic and akin to open theism. There are other adherents to this false theology on this forum. They are quite arrogant like Jehovah's Witnesses as they think they have "the truth" and all other Christians are deceived by Satan. Typical cult mentality. I believed the same stuff for at least 10 years.
I was a member of Worldwide Church of God during Armstrongism and about a decade after. They not only taught that the Sabbath and Holy Days were necessary for salvation but denied the salvation of all Christians outside their fellowship. Definitely non Sabbathkeepers were considered to be unsaved and still in their sins. They denied the Trinity and held that the Holy Spirit was not a Person but a force God used to accomplish his will. They believed that Christians were God beings in embryonic form and would be fully God in the resurrection. They held a view of Gods nature that is anthropomorphic and akin to open theism. There are other adherents to this false theology on this forum. They are quite arrogant like Jehovah's Witnesses as they think they have "the truth" and all other Christians are deceived by Satan. Typical cult mentality. I believed the same stuff for at least 10 years.
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