Divorced does not mean "put away"...or does it?

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Yes Christ did speak against divorce however "except for immorality" means that it can be accepted under the proper circumstances and St. Paul speaks of this in his epistle to the Cornithians (I believe it is the 2nd Epistle)
 
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Yes Christ did speak against divorce however "except for immorality" means that it can be accepted under the proper circumstances and St. Paul speaks of this in his epistle to the Cornithians (I believe it is the 2nd Epistle)
The word is porneia - fornication, used in distinction from adultery.
 

starfield

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"The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Cor. 7:39)

Paul isn't wrong: the interpretation is. Paul isn't talking about divorce, but about separation/abandonment. Only married people are either husbands or wives. Divorcees are, well, divorcees.
Paul is saying that marriage commitment is binding until death, then the widow or widower is free to re-marry another believer. Clearly, this text and Romans 7:2-3 do not leave room for divorce among believers (if one is going to take scripture seriously).
 

Misty77

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A marriage is a sacred vow to love, honor, cherish, and remain faithful. Unlike salvation which is unilateral, marriage is a bilateral covenant, meaning that the responsibility to maintain the covenant lies with both parties. If one side breaks that contract, then the other one has the choice to forgive and remain married or to leave freely. Adultery, abuse, addiction, and abandonment break that covenant so the innocent (in this aspect) spouse is free to leave.

The institution of marriage is not more important than the people in it. If someone is being abused, does Jesus just say, "Sucks to be you."? Or does He command us to protect and comfort the vulnerable?
 

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Paul is saying that marriage commitment is binding until death, then the widow or widower is free to re-marry another believer. Clearly, this text and Romans 7:2-3 do not leave room for divorce among believers (if one is going to take scripture seriously).
I take marriage very seriously. When the inevitability of divorce became my reality, I attempted to end my own life twice because I believed this rubbish of divorce being the unpardonable sin. It took a lot of healing and truth-seeking to understand that the abuse was not my fault, that being abandoned by an evil man was not my fault, or that had I possessed the strength to leave him, that would not have been my fault, either.

I am not bound anymore. I am free. And whom the Lord has set free, is truly free indeed.
 
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Below are the words spoken by God to Moses that he should teach all of Israel. Divorce should not be taken lightly, going through a divorce is painful and can leave scars, and is never ever cut and dry or even easy to manage afterwards. However it does appear the commandments regarding it are cut and dry and in fact very easy to understand. So much so even a child could figure it out.

1 When a man has taken a wife, and married her, and it comes to pass that she finds no favor in his eyes, because he has found some uncleanness in her; then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she has departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife.
3 And if the latter husband hates her, and writes her a bill of divorcement, and gives it in her hand, and sends her out of his house; or if the latter husband dies, who took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord; and you shall not cause the land to sin, which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance.

The only issue regarding remarriage is if divorced woman remarries she may not, regardless of the circumstance, go back to her former husband.
 
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Below are the words spoken by God to Moses that he should teach all of Israel. Divorce should not be taken lightly, going through a divorce is painful and can leave scars, and is never ever cut and dry or even easy to manage afterwards. However it does appear the commandments regarding it are cut and dry and in fact very easy to understand. So much so even a child could figure it out.

1 When a man has taken a wife, and married her, and it comes to pass that she finds no favor in his eyes, because he has found some uncleanness in her; then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she has departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife.
3 And if the latter husband hates her, and writes her a bill of divorcement, and gives it in her hand, and sends her out of his house; or if the latter husband dies, who took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord; and you shall not cause the land to sin, which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance.

The only issue regarding remarriage is if divorced woman remarries she may not, regardless of the circumstance, go back to her former husband.
Is this in the betrothal period?
 
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A marriage is a sacred vow to love, honor, cherish, and remain faithful. Unlike salvation which is unilateral, marriage is a bilateral covenant, meaning that the responsibility to maintain the covenant lies with both parties. If one side breaks that contract, then the other one has the choice to forgive and remain married or to leave freely. Adultery, abuse, addiction, and abandonment break that covenant so the innocent (in this aspect) spouse is free to leave.

The institution of marriage is not more important than the people in it. If someone is being abused, does Jesus just say, "Sucks to be you."? Or does He command us to protect and comfort the vulnerable?
Ya know I think you make mistake in understanding...unilateral? How about trilateral....You forgot the most important ingredient ... Marriage = God + man + woman.
You also mentioned Q/ and remain faithful Q/ how does remain faithful equate to divorce?

Not picken on you just other people believe what the bible always taught which is moses gave the writting of divorce, not God, God just put up with mans new idea called divorce which Jesus Himself said from the beginning it was not so, Doesn't God justify the righteous and condemn the wicked that we should leave it in God's hands and fully trust Him that nothing in life can separate us from Him. So divorce,...it shouldn't be, it's taking the throne of God and calling it ours. It's also taking a christian dilemma and taking it up to a non christian court who should have no say in the matter in the first place, You know, there is no choice to forgive and remain married or to leave freely because... two wrongs don't make a right. Two..He breaks the vow and YOUR CHOICE to break the same one....Something don't sound right there. That's the kool thing about God, when He vows to us we are the only ones who break them but God don't turn around and break the same one we broke because He remains faithful NO MATTER WHAT. And how many times did Jesus say to forgive? More than the number of letters in the word divorce. Anyway I know you have your reasons ..it's hind sight that always kicks the hardest
 
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In my case, the first time neither of us were saved, and tho I tried to convince her to stay, she wouldn't hear of it. The second, my wife wasn't truthful about her spiritual position. She brought a lot of baggage from catholicism, jehovahs witnesses, and a couple of others. That, and she was a left coast liberal. Altho I would have been glad to see her stay also, she too wouldn't hear of it. Per Pauls teaching, I was obligated to allow them to leave. That instruction alone solidifies man being a free moral agent. We come and go as we please and live as we please. That is a right, not a privilege, and we have no business trying to make someone do something that is legal by society's standards.
Sorry to hear that mi amigo.....I thank God for my godly virtuous wife of almost 24 years....
 

Apostol2013

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I ask this how about someone who is being abused or put in danger by their spouse this is a very form of immorality
 

Misty77

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Ya know I think you make mistake in understanding...unilateral? How about trilateral....You forgot the most important ingredient ... Marriage = God + man + woman.
You also mentioned Q/ and remain faithful Q/ how does remain faithful equate to divorce?

Not picken on you just other people believe what the bible always taught which is moses gave the writting of divorce, not God, God just put up with mans new idea called divorce which Jesus Himself said from the beginning it was not so, Doesn't God justify the righteous and condemn the wicked that we should leave it in God's hands and fully trust Him that nothing in life can separate us from Him. So divorce,...it shouldn't be, it's taking the throne of God and calling it ours. It's also taking a christian dilemma and taking it up to a non christian court who should have no say in the matter in the first place, You know, there is no choice to forgive and remain married or to leave freely because... two wrongs don't make a right. Two..He breaks the vow and YOUR CHOICE to break the same one....Something don't sound right there. That's the kool thing about God, when He vows to us we are the only ones who break them but God don't turn around and break the same one we broke because He remains faithful NO MATTER WHAT. And how many times did Jesus say to forgive? More than the number of letters in the word divorce. Anyway I know you have your reasons ..it's hind sight that always kicks the hardest
So God wants abused people to stay with their monsters? He wants people to play Russian roulette with their health by staying with cheaters? He wants children to be in homes with drug users, cheaters, or abusers? What you are saying sounds all nice and pretty, but it's really drivel spray-painted with the religious-sounding nonsense.
 
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So God wants abused people to stay with their monsters? He wants people to play Russian roulette with their health by staying with cheaters? He wants children to be in homes with drug users, cheaters, or abusers? What you are saying sounds all nice and pretty, but it's really drivel spray-painted with the religious-sounding nonsense.
This is not exegesis of any Scriptures.

I'm really sorry about your own problems.
 

Misty77

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This is not exegesis of any Scriptures.

I'm really sorry about your own problems.
If we can't apply the scriptures to our lives, then the Bible is irrelevant; and we shouldn't be wasting our time with it
 
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If we can't apply the scriptures to our lives, then the Bible is irrelevant; and we shouldn't be wasting our time with it
I think you know I am not suggesting that the Scriptures should not be applied to our lives.

What is, of course, necessary, is a right exegesis of Scripture passages and a right application.

But I fear we are going round in circles.
 
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So God wants abused people to stay with their monsters? He wants people to play Russian roulette with their health by staying with cheaters? He wants children to be in homes with drug users, cheaters, or abusers? What you are saying sounds all nice and pretty, but it's really drivel spray-painted with the religious-sounding nonsense.
Why don't you ask God that your self and see if the answer differs than what is written in His Word. There's your answer.
You know when I look at the people in my life that have done me wrong it's the wrong I hate...not the people. And no I wouldn't live with an monster abusing me but if I'm married to it, I don't have to get divorced by mans tradition I can just separate physically and do alot of praying for that monsters soul.lol
 

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Why don't you ask God that your self and see if the answer differs than what is written in His Word. There's your answer.
You know when I look at the people in my life that have done me wrong it's the wrong I hate...not the people. And no I wouldn't live with an monster abusing me but if I'm married to it, I don't have to get divorced by mans tradition I can just separate physically and do alot of praying for that monsters soul.lol
The answers I find ARE from scripture and and prayer. A legal divorce is what allows me to protect my son and myself from the monster I married.
 
Feb 21, 2014
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The answers I find ARE from scripture and and prayer. A legal divorce is what allows me to protect my son and myself from the monster I married.
Do you see your former husband as ideally a future recipient of the grace of God?
 

Misty77

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Do you see your former husband as ideally a future recipient of the grace of God?
I believe that the Lord can do anything, but I do not see him ever being humbled enough to ask forgiveness. And I will never be married to him again. Some things may be forgivable yet still past the point of reconciliation.
 
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I believe that the Lord can do anything, but I do not see him ever being humbled enough to ask forgiveness. And I will never be married to him again. Some things may be forgivable yet still past the point of reconciliation.
I realize that some people's actions can cause havoc to other people's lives. But just now I almost wept when I saw that you do have it in your heart to forgive. I'm reminded of the Lord Jesus going to the extremity of the Cross (Philippians 2). Blessings.