Divorced does not mean "put away"...or does it?

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Misty77

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I realize that some people's actions can cause havoc to other people's lives. But just now I almost wept when I saw that you do have it in your heart to forgive. I'm reminded of the Lord Jesus going to the extremity of the Cross (Philippians 2). Blessings.
I think you meant to say that I don't have it in my heart to forgive. I did not say that I am unable to forgive, but that there is no chance for reconciliation. HE did that. Not me. And I don't owe you an explanation of what my son and I survived. So if you are going to cry, then mourn the scars that my son will always bear and the PTSD inflicted on both of us. Don't waste your tears on those who won't repent.
 
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Jasidy

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#82
I believe that the Lord can do anything, but I do not see him ever being humbled enough to ask forgiveness. And I will never be married to him again. Some things may be forgivable yet still past the point of reconciliation.
Praying the Lord gives you peace ...
 
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I think you meant to say that I don't have it in my heart to forgive. I did not say that I am unable to forgive, but that there is no chance for reconciliation. HE did that. Not me. And I don't owe you an explanation of what my son and I survived. So if you are going to cry, then mourn the scars that my son will always bear and the PTSD inflicted on both of us. Don't waste your tears on those who won't repent.
No, I was actually impressed that you do hold out the possibility of forgiving, according to your last post.
 

Misty77

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No, I was actually impressed that you do hold out the possibility of forgiving, according to your last post.
Then I apologize for the misunderstanding. Thank you.
 
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phil112

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Paul is saying that marriage commitment is binding until death, then the widow or widower is free to re-marry another believer. Clearly, this text and Romans 7:2-3 do not leave room for divorce among believers (if one is going to take scripture seriously).
You have that entire statement wrong. Just like so many, you don't understand what you are reading, that is IF you have read the 7th chapter of 1 Corinthians. Paul said that, only in respect to believers.
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: [SUP] [/SUP]But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
[SUP] [/SUP]But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
[SUP] [/SUP]And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
[SUP] [/SUP]For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
God spoke to believers, much like Christ. In Matthew 5:32 Christ was speaking to jews in a covenant relationship with God. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles. He spoke to everyone after the death of Christ.
"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord"...to paraphrase properly: "To all of you that aren't believers, or in a covenant relationship with God, I am talking to you, God wasn't."
Divorce is not okay with God, nor is it a good thing. But it happens, and Paul clearly laid out the scenario under which it needs to be dealt with spiritually. That just is not hard to see. Unless one is willfully blinded.
 

john832

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Your understanding of the analogy is flawed. God was married to both Israel and to Judah, and only Israel was divorced from him. The picture of Jesus being married to the church is a separate picture. If are take the position that the groom in both instances is the same, then the marriage to the church is a return to bigamy because Judah was never divorced. And I don't think that you can argue that God abandoned His covenant to Judah.
My understanding is flawed? Christ died and ended the marriage. Divorce under the circumstances did not free Christ to remarry, but death did.
 

Apostol2013

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To the abusers they are a form of an apostate or they would not have treated the woman in that fashion , in this case i believe is grounds for divorce for God does not want a believer in an abusive relationship it is immorality and it puts the believer in danger
 

starfield

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You have that entire statement wrong. Just like so many, you don't understand what you are reading, that is IF you have read the 7th chapter of 1 Corinthians. Paul said that, only in respect to believers. God spoke to believers, much like Christ. In Matthew 5:32 Christ was speaking to jews in a covenant relationship with God. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles. He spoke to everyone after the death of Christ.
"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord"...to paraphrase properly: "To all of you that aren't believers, or in a covenant relationship with God, I am talking to you, God wasn't."
That is what I said. It is addressing believers thus the verse (vs. 39) leaves no room for divorce among believing couples, death alone is to dissolve the marriage bond. The problem is that people just don't like to submit to God's word.
 

homwardbound

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...so basically I'm asking if remarriage is ok
What is in your heart from God to do? Waht are you looking for from here, to excuse what you think is wrong? if that is what you think and you do then it is wrong

[h=3]Romans 14:13-14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean

This is between God and you, as to what to do. I am on m y third Marriage and am thankful to God for it.
As I am sure about Abraham, who thought to have sex with Hagar as for the promised Child when this was not the way, and it took many years alter for the promised Child to be.
We all here are in learning stages as to what is to be and not to be. So learn from this whether you go ahead or not. God knows your purpose and needs are.
Paul talks about this in 1 Cor. that if you can't control self better to marry. read all about. and I personally can't tell you to go ahead or not. This you two in prayer need to decide and stick with the decision. God wants us to be happy and not harm others in that process in being happy
 

Misty77

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...so basically I'm asking if remarriage is ok
That's like asking if marriage is okay. The answer is: it depends. Search the scripture, get counseling, and pray. The Lord will lead you in the direction you need to go.
 
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phil112

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That is what I said. It is addressing believers thus the verse (vs. 39) leaves no room for divorce among believing couples, death alone is to dissolve the marriage bond. The problem is that people just don't like to submit to God's word.
Please excuse me for not understanding it the way you meant it.
 
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IloveyouGod

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#92
It shouldn't be a "Divorce". It is an "Annulment". The marriage has been annulled for certain reasons or cases.
 
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phil112

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It shouldn't be a "Divorce". It is an "Annulment". The marriage has been annulled for certain reasons or cases.
What statement are you referring to?
 
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IloveyouGod

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Oh, sorry Phil, I meant to comment for the opener on the topic in general that the idea of Divorce in general is not right. I mean if he wants to marry a woman who was married before, then she should get an annulment n' not a divorce.


What statement are you referring to?
 
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phil112

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Oh, sorry Phil, I meant to comment for the opener on the topic in general that the idea of Divorce in general is not right. I mean if he wants to marry a woman who was married before, then she should get an annulment n' not a divorce.
That would be if he was catholic. The OP had several serious flaws in his opening post, which I am not going to take the time to address. Annulment is a man made doctrine. The bible has no support of it, and to put away absolutely means divorce. When the bible talks about an acceptable relationship between a man and a womn, it is talking about marriage. The only thing that seperates that union in the bible is divorce. No such thing as an annulment. It is simply a word play game man invented to squirm out of a commitment. Calling a duck a pig doesn't change it. It is still a duck no matter what you pretend it to be.
 
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jkalyna

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What is in your heart from God to do? Waht are you looking for from here, to excuse what you think is wrong? if that is what you think and you do then it is wrong

Romans 14:13-14

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean

This is between God and you, as to what to do. I am on m y third Marriage and am thankful to God for it.
As I am sure about Abraham, who thought to have sex with Hagar as for the promised Child when this was not the way, and it took many years alter for the promised Child to be.
We all here are in learning stages as to what is to be and not to be. So learn from this whether you go ahead or not. God knows your purpose and needs are.
Paul talks about this in 1 Cor. that if you can't control self better to marry. read all about. and I personally can't tell you to go ahead or not. This you two in prayer need to decide and stick with the decision. God wants us to be happy and not harm others in that process in being happy
Stay sweet and you'll always stay married. lol :) really.
 

homwardbound

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I ask this how about someone who is being abused or put in danger by their spouse this is a very form of immorality
And God has called us to peace not more stress, in the midst of stress, peace in the midst of stress

Better to live in the corner of an attic than in a house of stress and pain, of no love
 

homwardbound

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Stay sweet and you'll always stay married. lol :) really.
Thank you, but I have not always been sweet and saying that I am sweet, marriage is a work, to listen to each other and not force anything on each other. It is hard work to let go what I think should be and for her to do the same, we have done this, yet emotion has a way of trying to get in the way quickly, not so much anymore, but always hanging around to cause anger, starting with frustration thoughts,
Learn to walk away when the frustrating thoughts begin, is what she and I have learned and are learning. There are many separations because of the emotional upheavals in things got to be my way or the highway attitudes of many.
But if there is abuse in physical and mental too much run Forest run. Danger will Robinson Danger
There is a time for everything under the sun
 
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thisguy

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That's like asking if marriage is okay. The answer is: it depends. Search the scripture, get counseling, and pray. The Lord will lead you in the direction you need to go.
Thanks and I do understand this point of view...but "pray about it" bugs me to no end. I've spoken to pastors and they have conflicting views and most people end up saying pray about it. I've even tried counseling and hotlines and those were a joke. I probably have deeper issues and don't understand the Bible like I thought I did but God doesn't talk to me. I'm 28, I've been going to church since I was a kid and looking back, He's never led me in any direction (that I'm aware of). I suppose that I feel his presence at church but never on a personal level. How am I supposed to interpret this? I've been relatively OK with this because I believed (until recently) that God mainly speaks to us through the Bible. I've been researching this marriage stuff for over a month and all I'm doing is turning into a confused angry person who is beginning to doubt that I'm even saved. If He's not providing an answer then maybe I'm not worth getting an answer and this whole effort is meaningless and I'm too lost to even be given an answer.

Also, the scripture isn't helping... different pastors and "experts" interpret the scriptures differently so what can I do? This is the first time I've had meaningful conversations with church leaders (from several different churches) and I'm EXTREMELY disappointed with most of them. Most church offices/leaders couldn't care less about helping! I've left some offices multiple voice mails and emails and 90% of them don't even send a response or refer me somewhere else! The other 5% refer me to a worthless hotline, and only 5% actually provide meaningful support. Because of this I've not been to church for a while and completely stopped giving money to anything church related because I'm disgusted and convinced that the modern church is group of two-faced hypocrites...my friends who aren't Christian have more Christian qualities then most Christians! The few PEOPLE who make up the church (not just the ones who "attend" but the ones who provide a helping hand) are the actual Christians.

Anyway, I'm not convinced either way if remarriage is a sin or not. There are compelling arguments for both sides. If I look at this from a risk perspective...then what happens if it turns out to be a sin and I make the wrong choice? Do I go to hell because I wasn't given (or was too dense to realize) the right answer?