Do you know for certain you are saved and will spend eternity with God

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Are you certain you have come to salvation in Christ and will spend eternity with God


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Lotus57

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"I believe that they were never saved and never believed to begin with." I am prone to anxiety anyways so bare with me lol When people say this it always frightens me because even as a christian who believes and loves God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, there are definately times when I go through something and have a hard time having self control over my anxiety or doubts, I feel lost and have a hard time praying and feeling connected to God, I have gotten upset and desperate and yea... not proud of it but I have gone through some very hard times and there are times when I say Lord are you even there? We all get tempted and at times struggle with our faith. So when I go through those hard times and I feel like I am lost and searching with all my heart for truth and when I am weary and whispers of evil are in my ears that God doesn't care and maybe he doesn't even exist... well then this line comes into my head and I feel very afraid. Like I'm only saved if I 100% of the time have control over my emotions and I have rock strong faith and trust even through the worst of times. So if I waiver and struggle and cry out then maybe I never believed in the first place? That makes me freak out like well I guess I'm missing something and I never was saved to begin with NOW WHAT?! Maybe I just don't understand that phrase.
 
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BTW, just want to thank everyone. For a moment there, I was thinking I might be the only person on earth who actually does know.

Whew! Not!
 
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"I believe that they were never saved and never believed to begin with." I am prone to anxiety anyways so bare with me lol When people say this it always frightens me because even as a christian who believes and loves God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, there are definately times when I go through something and have a hard time having self control over my anxiety or doubts, I feel lost and have a hard time praying and feeling connected to God, I have gotten upset and desperate and yea... not proud of it but I have gone through some very hard times and there are times when I say Lord are you even there? We all get tempted and at times struggle with our faith. So when I go through those hard times and I feel like I am lost and searching with all my heart for truth and when I am weary and whispers of evil are in my ears that God doesn't care and maybe he doesn't even exist... well then this line comes into my head and I feel very afraid. Like I'm only saved if I 100% of the time have control over my emotions and I have rock strong faith and trust even through the worst of times. So if I waiver and struggle and cry out then maybe I never believed in the first place? That makes me freak out like well I guess I'm missing something and I never was saved to begin with NOW WHAT?! Maybe I just don't understand that phrase.
IMO this teaching introduces doubt because a person always has to wonder if they've believed in the right way. The bible speaks of no such thing. It simply says to believe that Jesus is lord and son of GOD and has been raised from the dead. Pretty simple. As we persevere in this faith, GOD will be faithful to grow us into what he desires of us. We just have to yield to his working.

I know the doubts and feelings that you speak of. Persevere, and he will bring you through. He is faithful.
 
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"I believe that they were never saved and never believed to begin with." I am prone to anxiety anyways so bare with me lol When people say this it always frightens me because even as a christian who believes and loves God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, there are definately times when I go through something and have a hard time having self control over my anxiety or doubts, I feel lost and have a hard time praying and feeling connected to God, I have gotten upset and desperate and yea... not proud of it but I have gone through some very hard times and there are times when I say Lord are you even there? We all get tempted and at times struggle with our faith. So when I go through those hard times and I feel like I am lost and searching with all my heart for truth and when I am weary and whispers of evil are in my ears that God doesn't care and maybe he doesn't even exist... well then this line comes into my head and I feel very afraid. Like I'm only saved if I 100% of the time have control over my emotions and I have rock strong faith and trust even through the worst of times. So if I waiver and struggle and cry out then maybe I never believed in the first place? That makes me freak out like well I guess I'm missing something and I never was saved to begin with NOW WHAT?! Maybe I just don't understand that phrase.
Let's try it this way.

You save a dog at the pound. Does the dog then need to constantly know you're the one who saved him, has to be sure of that all the time, including when he puddles on the rug, and always always has to keep in mind his self-control? Are you expecting the dog to be absolutely perfect because you went through all that effort to save him?

Maybe as humans we might well think of giving up the dog if it keeps puddling on the rug, but God went off and put in a lot more effort to save us knowing darn well we ARE rug-puddlers! He knows us intimately -- inside out and backwards. Our past, our present, our future. He sees that as the same thing because he's outside time and space and creator of both time and space. He knew exactly which person he chose to save out of his good pleasure, not out of our great skill at fetching for him -- particularly when we aren't very good at fetching and never will become world-class fetchers in this lifetime. He picked out the rug-puddlers, in part, to confound the world of world-class fetchers.

You are no accident. God fully understood you excel at anxious! He saw your great capacity to doubt (and it really doesn't surprise him, because it's not like he saved anyone who just cannot doubt along the way.) He saw you doing that one huge sin you'd rather no one ever ever EVER find out. (You know the one. If we are honest. We all know which sin that one is in us, but no one but God will ever know it.) He knew exactly who he was saving when he saved you and why. And the why isn't even on your merit. It's on his. His plan is to change us into a people who will love and worship him eternally. And here's the big kicker! He WILL get us there by HIS skill and our knowledge that, yeah, we're just rug-puddlers who he is working on to win dog shows some day, not to be impressed with ourselves, but to show the skills and IMMENSE love of our owner, our Lord, our Savior.

A dog never does have to believe he is saved. A dog will do what dogs are designed to do, and dogs are designed one way similar to how people are designed. Love us and we love right back. God LOVES us, so what else can we do but love back, (and get truly embarrassed that we puddled the rug yet again.)

This is not self-control. We never were able to control self. God is able to turn us in controllable, but he is our controller, not us!

Easier? I have always royally stunk at self-control. Nowadays I'm beginning to see where control comes from. When from self, I'm out of control. When from God? Well, it's like getting patted on the back and a tasty treat every time I do what he wants to do. Better yet, when I puddle, he is there to remind me, he doesn't like that behavior, but he still very much loves me. He'll get that puddling under control. My job is to give him the time to fix that, because I can't. Never could!
 
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IMO this teaching introduces doubt because a person always has to wonder if they've believed in the right way. The bible speaks of no such thing. It simply says to believe that Jesus is lord and son of GOD and has been raised from the dead. Pretty simple. As we persevere in this faith, GOD will be faithful to grow us into what he desires of us. We just have to yield to his working.

I know the doubts and feelings that you speak of. Persevere, and he will bring you through. He is faithful.
Actually the Bible speaks of nothing else but the right Way! Sure, it didn't name him for the first half of the book, but Way has a name in the second half. His name is Jesus. He is THE Way! It's all about him. It might help to stop taking the focus of the Bible to us. It's not about our beliefs. It's about The Way -- God!
 
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#47
faith in a god through jesus. dose not depend on us.
it depends on a saviour.

by asking the question , only gives doubt to your belief.

for example.

14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes Ephesians 4 etc
On the contrary, asking questions strengthens one's faith rather than being blindly robotic.
 
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Salvation is based on one thing only and that is belief that Jesus is God.

How can you stop believing Jesus is God? If you have doubts that Jesus is God then you really have not received Salvation yet.
When hearing of Jesus at an early, innocent, inexperienced age, one can rejoice greatly in their newfound faith, but decades of horrific suffering can destroy one's faith. You mean to say such a person never had salvation? Then again, the other side of the equation is, if one can lose their salvation, its better to die the moment we first believe.
 

notuptome

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When hearing of Jesus at an early, innocent, inexperienced age, one can rejoice greatly in their newfound faith, but decades of horrific suffering can destroy one's faith. You mean to say such a person never had salvation? Then again, the other side of the equation is, if one can lose their salvation, its better to die the moment we first believe.
This highlights the need for discipleship in Christ. We are newborn babes when we are first saved. We need to grow in the word of God and understand Gods grace. Then we will be ready to serve the Lord as soldiers fitted to carry the battle to enemy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Grandpa

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Do you know for certain you are saved and will spend eternity with God?

notuptome

lol. indeed.
 
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Do you know for certain you are saved and will spend eternity with God?

notuptome

lol. indeed.

I had to read that a few times before I got it...Salvation is "not-up-to-me" ...got it! ..:rolleyes:

Christ supplies everything. The gospel does not demand faith - the hearing of Jesus' completed work supplies it. The hearing of Jesus brings faith from Him to do what He has purposed for us, from walking on water to growing in the grace and knowledge of Christ our Lord!

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
 
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I spoke with a woman this morning who's husband died yesterday. Her exact words were:

"I used to have faith, but a lifetime of excruciating hardships, one after another, has caused me to doubt to the point that I no longer have faith. I look forward to talking with you again so you will understand my views and perhaps you can help me once again believe."

Make of it what you will; I believe God will be merciful to a person who wants to believe.
 
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When hearing of Jesus at an early, innocent, inexperienced age, one can rejoice greatly in their newfound faith, but decades of horrific suffering can destroy one's faith. You mean to say such a person never had salvation? Then again, the other side of the equation is, if one can lose their salvation, its better to die the moment we first believe.
Good point, How can God claim to be an all loving all merciful God, Then adopt a child into his family, because that child had faith, And allow that child who is saved to live long enough and in a way that that salvation would cease to exist, and the child would stop being his child, but revert back to his enemy.

Not much of a loving God is it?
 
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Gr8grace

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I spoke with a woman this morning who's husband died yesterday. Her exact words were:

"I used to have faith, but a lifetime of excruciating hardships, one after another, has caused me to doubt to the point that I no longer have faith. I look forward to talking with you again so you will understand my views and perhaps you can help me once again believe."

Make of it what you will; I believe God will be merciful to a person who wants to believe.
Sounds more like a fellowship issue, not a salvation issue?
 
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I spoke with a woman this morning who's husband died yesterday. Her exact words were:

"I used to have faith, but a lifetime of excruciating hardships, one after another, has caused me to doubt to the point that I no longer have faith. I look forward to talking with you again so you will understand my views and perhaps you can help me once again believe."

Make of it what you will; I believe God will be merciful to a person who wants to believe.
Her mind has been infected by life and she is beat up because of it. If she was in Christ then she was and will remain saved as far as going to be with the Lord in heaven. God didn't send His Son to come and take away the sin of the world so that He could find ways of keeping people from being with Him. He loves them dearly.

She just needs to have her mind renewed to the grace , truth and love of her Father and of the Lord Jesus Christ for her.

She is in good hands with you and the Holy Spirit my friend!
 
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Sounds more like a fellowship issue, not a salvation issue?
I didn't look at it that way. You may be right, but she say several times that she's lost faith. She's opened to discussion and eager to listen once again to other's who have faith. Hey bro, please pray for her that God will open her heart once again. I have a feeling she will regain her faith.
 
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Her mind has been infected by life and she is beat up because of it. If she was in Christ then she was and will remain saved as far as going to be with the Lord in heaven. God didn't send His Son to come and take away the sin of the world so that He could find ways of keeping people from being with Him. He loves them dearly.

She just needs to have her mind renewed to the grace , truth and love of her Father and of the Lord Jesus Christ for her.

She is in good hands with you and the Holy Spirit my friend!
Amen to this, my brother. And thank you for your kind words of encouragement.
 
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My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

The renewing of the mind to the realities of Christ and all that He has done for us is paramount for the Christian to experience in this life the quality of life that is in our new man created in Christ.
 
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Amen to this, my brother. And thank you for your kind words of encouragement.
Well deserved brother! You have the warrior heart of the Lord.

( you are still a false prophet though and worthy of being stoned for your false prophesying of the outcome of the Superbowl...lol ....and I have scripture to back up that a false prophet should be stoned too.....and don't come back to me about this greasy free grace stuff either.....I'm on to you.....:rolleyes:.)
 
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Being saved by faith provides ways for a believer to know without a doubt, not having to guess or revert beck to hoping only.

Peter set that issue beyond question.
2 Peter 1:1-11 (KJV)
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Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
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And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure:
for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


That list is how the Way was set up for us, who enter into the path by hearing the gospel of Christ, believe it by faith, then follow that Way. It would make no sense for anyone to merely once believe by faith, but abandon faith in the Savior, walking away like Judas Iscariot, then be certain they are still saved. Can anyone show Judas never believed on Jesus? He took part in every facet of that ministry. Judas walked with Christ those years, fell due to failure of proper diligence, and remained fallen. If fallen, get up, resume following in repentance, giving all diligence to the right things. That way we are not among the number Jesus says he "lost" (Jn 17:12). Many others followed, but were not given to Jesus by the Father. Many fell away besides Judas.

If failing in that plan of salvation from the corruption/wickedness of the world, there is no question that the backslider will fall, his election certainly unsure.

Considering that everything God created was "good", Satan was part of that creation of angels, could not have been created already doubting or resisting God, but in fact had to have been approved of God in the beginning of that relationship. He couldn't have rebelled apart from being first on God's side. Satan yielded his righteousness and glory, chose sin after having known God face to face.

As to the OP question, I'm sure of the promises of God because above my ability to change, God rebirthed me. Others in my life noticed the miracle of a changed life before I put it together. I heard the gospel preached powerfully one day, believed it, and immediately was changed. For me that was bewildering for months, but for those witnesses it was all profoundly amazing, seeing a sudden change from unholiness to the righteousness of Christ. Since I was then convinced I was a new creature in Christ, I had confidence all the other promises had to be literally true. But so are the conditions of salvation, adding many virtues to faith. The more added, the more sure I a that the faith is true.