Do you know for certain you are saved and will spend eternity with God

[Word_Swordsman]

I didn't look at it that way. You may be right, but she say several times that she's lost faith. She's opened to discussion and eager to listen once again to other's who have faith. Hey bro, please pray for her that God will open her heart once again. I have a feeling she will regain her faith.

If all a believer holds onto is faith alone, it dies. Faith without works is dead. That's why 2 Peter 1 is so vital to be in agreement with God over. Without those continuous works added, faith alone becomes more of a theory, something we and others couldn't detect due to lack of evidences. Barren faith slips away into forgetfulness so that it's easier and easier to denounce.

But God is faithful, keeps the door open for us who believed to return, repented, and adding virtues to our faith so we will know beyond a doubt we are his child. If unsure we are of and in Christ, and Christ in us, we are likely to fall, and open to moving back into the shadow of the valley of death.

 

[KenAllan]

The problem is Jesus never taught one can lose their Salvation. Its those who cannot understand what the Holy Spirit says that believe they need to HOLD on or WORK for their Salvation.

We can lose our Rewards in Heaven by the things we do. Not our Salvation. And yes God will allow us to sin all we want and still keep our Salvation.

We received our Salvation by Grace from God and Faith from God. We did not receive Salvation by being Baptized like HRFTD teaches. We did not receive Salvation by holding on to Jesus like HRFTD teaches. All those who believe in Jesus receive Salvation. All those who do not believe in Jesus do not receive Salvation.

But yet there are those like HRFTD who want to deceive us into believing we need to do something physical like holding on and being Baptized to receive Salvation.

Look at the prodigal son. He turned his back on God to live the sinful life, but yet God accepted him back into the fold when he returned to Him.

Peoples, its not about working for our Salvation and its not about holding onto our Salvation! Its all about walking with God and being with God, and enjoying our time with God that matters, not our sins! NO one not even HRFTD will ever stop sinning! We have sinned and we will continue to sin. This is our fallen nature and we cannot change it.

But by the Blood of Jesus we have been forgiven for ALL our sins, past, present, and Future! The sins you will do tomorrow have already been washed clean by the Blood of Jesus. We have been cleansed of our sins we will do tomorrow!

 

[Demi777]

We are dependent on mercy and grace. Theres never a 100% knowing yes. Even David wasnt sure. how many say oh Lord I did this and this in your name and Jesus says: I do not know you.

I think that I will be with God but I will not say Im on the boat. Judgement day hasnt come yet

 

[ggs7]

Ah, but, you do not take into account "the great falling away." God will NEVER forsake US........does not mean WE will NEVER forsake Him.

Interesting point... like why does Paul talking about fighting a fight and keeping the faith if you cant choose?
(2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith)

and why does our faith get tested? (1Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith) if we can't choose to fall away?

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, because having been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

 

[willfollowsGod]

"I believe that they were never saved and never believed to begin with." I am prone to anxiety anyways so bare with me lol When people say this it always frightens me because even as a christian who believes and loves God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, there are definitely times when I go through something and have a hard time having self control over my anxiety or doubts, I feel lost and have a hard time praying and feeling connected to God, I have gotten upset and desperate and yea... not proud of it but I have gone through some very hard times and there are times when I say Lord are you even there? We all get tempted and at times struggle with our faith. So when I go through those hard times and I feel like I am lost and searching with all my heart for truth and when I am weary and whispers of evil are in my ears that God doesn't care and maybe he doesn't even exist... well then this line comes into my head and I feel very afraid. Like I'm only saved if I 100% of the time have control over my emotions and I have rock strong faith and trust even through the worst of times. So if I waiver and struggle and cry out then maybe I never believed in the first place? That makes me freak out like well I guess I'm missing something and I never was saved to begin with NOW WHAT?! Maybe I just don't understand that phrase.

When people say this, you should not be frightened, you instead should be convicted to examine yourself are you a Christian or are you just wearing the mask of a Christian and there is no inner change in you? When I say believe, another word for it is trust and I am sure that you trust Jesus even if you doubt that he is present at times in the tribulations and other bad things that are happening to you. Sadly, there are some who believe intellectually that Jesus died on the cross for their sins and rose again from the dead, but they are dead in their sins and don't know Christ. God wants your mind and your heart, not just your mind. As well as your soul and the strength that you have. Also, somewhere in the Bible it says you believe in God? Good, even the demons believe and tremble. But they do not have a personal relationship with God and cannot have their sins cleansed. You have a personal relationship with God and your sins have been cleansed. I have been asking God for guidance about joining a local body of Christ and/or just being part of the global body of Christ and have not received an answer yet, so it can be discouraging. Christians have doubts, I might have doubts too sometimes. In fact in my past Christian experience there were some doubts and I started searching for answers, questioning things, etc and found that the Christian faith is reasonable, supported by archaeology, etc (despite what naysayers like atheists and others say). After all, Thomas doubted that Jesus had appeared to the disciples in the room when Thomas was not there. Peter believed in Christ and took a step of faith by asking if he could approach Jesus on the water and he was getting there, when he started to doubt and Jesus gave his hand and picked him up from the water he was sinking. God bless you, my sister in Christ.

 

[willfollowsGod]

Hm. Interesting. Satan believes Jesus is God.

I think one of the hoops people prefer jumping through is thinking they had something to do with their own salvation... like say thinking it's believing in God.

It depends what MikeHenderson means by believe. If he means trust there is no problem with what he said. If he believe in just an intellectual sense then there is a problem. God bless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If all a believer holds onto is faith alone, it dies. Faith without works is dead. That's why 2 Peter 1 is so vital to be in agreement with God over. Without those continuous works added, faith alone becomes more of a theory, something we and others couldn't detect due to lack of evidences. Barren faith slips away into forgetfulness so that it's easier and easier to denounce.

But God is faithful, keeps the door open for us who believed to return, repented, and adding virtues to our faith so we will know beyond a doubt we are his child. If unsure we are of and in Christ, and Christ in us, we are likely to fall, and open to moving back into the shadow of the valley of death.

2 Timothy 2:13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

God promised us eternal life, to all who have faith, He gave it to us in the past. If God takes that gift of eternal life back, even if we become faithless because of life circumstances, He has to deny his own promise to do so.

Thats why paul lets us all know, Even if we become faithless, He will still keep his promise, Because God is faithful to the end.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are dependent on mercy and grace. Theres never a 100% knowing yes. Even David wasnt sure. how many say oh Lord I did this and this in your name and Jesus says: I do not know you.

I think that I will be with God but I will not say Im on the boat. Judgement day hasnt come yet

John says you may know you have eternal life. and because of it, continue to believe in him till the end because of that fact.
If we do not know it.. how can we possibly still believe?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Interesting point... like why does Paul talking about fighting a fight and keeping the faith if you cant choose?
(2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith)

and why does our faith get tested? (1Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith) if we can't choose to fall away?

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, because having been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

so are we working for a reward (meaning I have to have faith in self and my ability)

or are we asking god in faith to give us his gift of life (eternal)

the above two ways to heaven are taught by many,

Only one way to heaven, lets get on the right way, and not the wrong one..

 

[willfollowsGod]

When hearing of Jesus at an early, innocent, inexperienced age, one can rejoice greatly in their newfound faith, but decades of horrific suffering can destroy one's faith. You mean to say such a person never had salvation? Then again, the other side of the equation is, if one can lose their salvation, its better to die the moment we first believe.

A faith that is real in Jesus cannot be destroyed no matter the tribulation and persecution this person endures though they need discipleship from the body of Christ as well as from God himself in order to endure it. Besides one of the soils in the Parable of the Sower which is recorded in most if not all of the gospels that is in Matthew 13:1-23. I will quote verses 20-21, "The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. So what matters is did they have saving faith in the first place. Did they have a root? But I understand some of what you are saying. God bless.

 

[Demi777]

John says you may know you have eternal life. and because of it, continue to believe in him till the end because of that fact.
If we do not know it.. how can we possibly still believe?

Well I rather go with what Jesus says instead of John.
I dont even see why your asking this question. I know he exists and that hes with me. I want to make it and will strive for it. If i know I got it i can lean back and stop doing good stuff and all.

 

[willfollowsGod]

Well I rather go with what Jesus says instead of John.
I dont even see why your asking this question. I know he exists and that hes with me. I want to make it and will strive for it. If i know I got it i can lean back and stop doing good stuff and all.

What John said is inspired by the Holy Spirit, so why would you say what you just said? Of course all go by what Jesus directly said as well but they do not contradict each other. If you know you have it, then you cannot lean back and stop doing good works but instead keep on going forward in the race toward the eternal crown and our goal, meeting Jesus face to face not in judgment but because we belong to Him and have been purchased by his blood. God bless.

 

[ggs7]

so are we working for a reward (meaning I have to have faith in self and my ability)

or are we asking god in faith to give us his gift of life (eternal)

the above two ways to heaven are taught by many,

Only one way to heaven, lets get on the right way, and not the wrong one..

Hi, look I'm not trying to cause division, I can understand what you are saying but what concerns me...truly... is the risk of getting the attitude of ...well I'm saved I can now live my life freely and sin freely...and not care.
That's what I'm worried about.

Because I look seriously at Paul when he says in Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

I would like to hear your opinion
GOD bless

 

[Demi777]

What John said is inspired by the Holy Spirit, so why would you say what you just said? Of course all go by what Jesus directly said as well but they do not contradict each other. If you know you have it, then you cannot lean back and stop doing good works but instead keep on going forward in the race toward the eternal crown and our goal, meeting Jesus face to face not in judgment but because we belong to Him and have been purchased by his blood. God bless.

why keep on going if I have it?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I didn't look at it that way. You may be right, but she say several times that she's lost faith. She's opened to discussion and eager to listen once again to other's who have faith. Hey bro, please pray for her that God will open her heart once again. I have a feeling she will regain her faith.

Her saying that she's lost faith is not the same as her saying she's renounced Jesus. Sometimes in the bitterness and hopelessness of our hearts we can speak like that.

 

[Utah]

Well deserved brother! You have the warrior heart of the Lord.

( you are still a false prophet though and worthy of being stoned for your false prophesying of the outcome of the Superbowl...lol ....and I have scripture to back up that a false prophet should be stoned too.....and don't come back to me about this greasy free grace stuff either.....I'm on to you......)

Okay, listen up, the Steelers and Packers will meet again, this time in Super Bowl 51.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well I rather go with what Jesus says instead of John.
I dont even see why your asking this question. I know he exists and that hes with me. I want to make it and will strive for it. If i know I got it i can lean back and stop doing good stuff and all.

I am confused, Is John any less inspired that what Jesus was? Jesus said the same thing did he not? At least from what I see, They are in agreement.

Why did I question? Because I am afraid the church is not inspiring their people to live in their position in Christ, and all the god has given them, And this leads to either a person not being saved at all, or a powerless christian life (if they are saved)

Which is exactly what paul spent most of his christian life fighting..

And I am confused, If you know you got it you can back off?? Why would you back off if you have been given the greatest gift God can offer, If anything, you can be like Paul and want to work more, not less. You want want to work out your salvation, So God can use you in this life, and share the gift God gave you to others.. Not work less.

This legalistic view that if you know you have eternal life you can back off and go on and sin is not from God, it is from satan himself..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

why keep on going if I have it?

read the bottom of all my posts. You desire to keep going, because your grateful for what you were given, it is called gratitude. and knowing that God knows better.

If your forced, eventually you will want to give up. Why keep working for something you may never get..

 

[Demi777]

I am confused, Is John any less inspired that what Jesus was? Jesus said the same thing did he not? At least from what I see, They are in agreement.

Why did I question? Because I am afraid the church is not inspiring their people to live in their position in Christ, and all the god has given them, And this leads to either a person not being saved at all, or a powerless christian life (if they are saved)

Which is exactly what paul spent most of his christian life fighting..

And I am confused, If you know you got it you can back off?? Why would you back off if you have been given the greatest gift God can offer, If anything, you can be like Paul and want to work more, not less. You want want to work out your salvation, So God can use you in this life, and share the gift God gave you to others.. Not work less.

This legalistic view that if you know you have eternal life you can back off and go on and sin is not from God, it is from satan himself..

Yeah which is why I dont believe in this ''I am going to go to heaven 100%'' thing because that opens the door to satan and Jesus made clear that he will have to tell people ''I do not know you''
Besides I know very much what is from God and what is not. This legalistic view of '' Once saved always saved'' is one of those things from Satan aswell.

 

[Grace777x70]

Okay, listen up, the Steelers and Packers will meet again, this time in Super Bowl 51.

Let's all get ready fellow faithful defenders of truth!