Do you think there are conditions for healing?

[seed_time_harvest]

IMO it is because the faith is shakable.
I mean it's sincere until something carnal diverts your attention.

Remember the disciples were casting out the demons until the boy with epilepsy.
Have you ever seen anyone have a gran-mal seizure.
I use to date a girl that had one and it made the hair on my body strait.

So God needs to be fortified by Man's faith?

remember when JESUS told the disciples to go to the other side then later he came walking on water and Peter asked him if he could come to JESUS by walking on the water also.

That took faith.

But when Peter saw the carnal he started sinking.

JESUS asked him where did he doubt.

I would think he doubted when he got out of faith and into the carnal.

Faith pleases GOD.

 

[Mo0448]

This is tough...because this question can lead to people picking up the "self righteous sword" and cutting other Christians down with comments like "The reason (insert name here) died or wasn't healed is because you didn't pray enough, it's because you didn't have enough faith". Do you know what leads someone to be healed or not healed? God's will does. We can pray and ask for it but if it's not God's will for them to be healed then well they won't be. It definitely won't be because you prayed less or fasted less or had less faith sounds like you're having a tug of war match or an arm wrestling match with the Lord. I believe when we ask for healing (i've been there for myself and others) we are sometimes missing the bigger picture...sometimes we ask for Carnal healing (a cancer, or another debilitating disease) when God wants to provide spiritual healing which sometimes can happen at the expense of our flesh.

Let's look at Paul's case. I think no one could argue that Paul was lacking in faith in any way, and yet when he asked for healing the "thorn on his Flesh" God said no...he didn't say have enough faith Paul pray enough for it and I will Paul he said no...because it wasn't about his debilitating issue it was about God's strength being enough for him to rise above the issue. His weakness was a way for him to be reminded of God's strength...his weakness allowed him to remain "grounded" it kept him in check if you will..

So coming back into full circle are there conditions for healing? Yes in my opinion there is but one condition...if it is God's will for healing to take place.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So God needs to be fortified by Man's faith?

I regret that you are thinking that way but it's the other way around.

Man needs to be fortified by GOD.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

GOD provides Grace.
How do you get to this Grace?

 

[Graybeard]

How are things going, Graybeard? Haven't seen you for a while. It does seem to me the Lord requires a couple of things from us. He wants us to repent of our sin and forgive others, yes?

Hello Resurrection, I'v taken a break from Christian Chat for a while as it was starting to effect my faith, so many different opinions and slandering. We are supposed to be in unity through our Lord who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth but I see a lot of discord, some preaching another Jesus. Best for all of us is to just rely on Gods Word that He has given us through the help of The Holy Spirit that He sent. He has written that if we lack wisdom we have just to ask Him and He will give us Wisdom......wish a lot here would do that.

 

[shotgunner]

Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven.

Let's look at that a moment. How can anyone use that to say God wants them to stay sick? Is anyone sick in Heaven? It's ridiculous to think anyone is sick in Heaven, so Healing must be God's will in Heaven. So then, I pray God's will of healing in Heaven be done on earth as well.

 

[notuptome]

Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven.

Let's look at that a moment. How can anyone use that to say God wants them to stay sick? Is anyone sick in Heaven? It's ridiculous to think anyone is sick in Heaven, so Healing must be God's will in Heaven. So then, I pray God's will of healing in Heaven be done on earth as well.

Give me a break. You are not in heaven yet. Gods grace is sufficient in suffering and sickness. Gods strength is perfected in our suffering and sickness. We do not suffer as those who have no hope. For believers this life is of far less value than the eternal life we hope for through our redemption and glorification in Christ.

Learn to suffer for Gods glory and allow God to minister through your suffering that others might see Christ in your suffering. It maybe the only bible they see is how you are able to rejoice even in great tribulation in your life.

Paul prayed three times before God told him to endure.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[blue_ladybug]

I wish God would heal me once and for all. I'm so weary of living in this chronic, agonizing pain every dang day.. I hope Jesus returns soon so I can get my pain free body.. Until then, I just have to endure through, as do we all.

 

[tourist]

I wish God would heal me once and for all. I'm so weary of living in this chronic, agonizing pain every dang day.. I hope Jesus returns soon so I can get my pain free body.. Until then, I just have to endure through, as do we all.

I hope that Jesus returns soon too. Some days I feel so tired and drained. Hang in there, my friend.

 

[Billyd]

I wish God would heal me once and for all. I'm so weary of living in this chronic, agonizing pain every dang day.. I hope Jesus returns soon so I can get my pain free body.. Until then, I just have to endure through, as do we all.

We pray that today you are pain free.

 

[blue_ladybug]

We pray that today you are pain free.

Thank you, Billy..

 

[FreeNChrist]

Are there conditions or requirement that we have to have/do to get healed after prayer. Some can have all the faith but no healing....why would that be?

The "condition" the "requirement" for healing is a Healer.

 

[tourist]

No. If God is so inclined to provide healing, He will. I do believe that God hears and answers all prayer and eventually we all will be healed. You can have great faith but that does not mean that you will be healed in the instant that you pray. You can have zero faith and yet God may still heal you. The only condition for healing is that there must be something that needs healing.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Yes I used to think it was that simple......but explain why some don't get healing although they have all the faith necessarily?

I am replying to post #9, I do intend to read the entire thread... but haven't. Of the top of my head, YES I do think there are factors beyond "simple faith" regarding healing and there are some distinctions to be made for "salvation healing", "Healing ministry to others", "healing self"... which are ALL accomplished by the power of God. These are just my general thoughts as I am beginning to think about the topic of this thread. I will be back again.

 

[slave]

Yes, there is a condition. We say faith, but God heals faithfully even the sinner, He infact came to save them. So He is not limited to anything in way of His will in any purpose He decides in way of healing. But we also know that God says, you have not because you ask not. Prayer is a requirement in things and He states a condition or a description of faith when He says, "If you remain in Me and My Word remains in you ask whatever you wish and it will be given you." So the description or condition of faith is that we surrender to God. Then there is the will or purpose of God in way of your understanding vs. His on each matter. He says He will answer your prayers. We conclude that always means the preverbal "Yes". But of coarse there are three options to be sure: 'Yes', 'No', and 'Maybe'. We tend to look at the healing in a specific way always, yet God, altho interested in the specifics of healing also sees the bigger picture to need. That's His jurisdiction not ours for it is He that is all-knowing not us.

God also talks about another condition: "seek ye with all your strength." So we too need to not stop asking, even Fasting, faithfully believing He has not left us high and dry, For He has not. We can ask also why did the disciples go down the street and heal everyone along the way? Well, some of our facts need to be examined to the accuracy of everyone, for they did not heal everyone. But this was also God's will at the time to show of Jesus and His power. Does His healing lack any less power today? NO! But His will and purpose of healing now is in His wheel-house not ours, outside of our prayers that move God toward it. Prayer is huge, the person or thing prayed over need not comply to God for God to move in favor of it, it is the power of your prayer that moves the Holy Spirit to pray to God with you toward this person or healing or event etc.

Bottom line do we pursue God's healing as if it is so? Or do we pursue God in lew of our need based on fear of it not being so? Jesus says He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The way then to healing is thru Him!

 

[shotgunner]

Give me a break. You are not in heaven yet. Gods grace is sufficient in suffering and sickness. Gods strength is perfected in our suffering and sickness. We do not suffer as those who have no hope. For believers this life is of far less value than the eternal life we hope for through our redemption and glorification in Christ.

Learn to suffer for Gods glory and allow God to minister through your suffering that others might see Christ in your suffering. It maybe the only bible they see is how you are able to rejoice even in great tribulation in your life.

Paul prayed three times before God told him to endure.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You give me a break! That's the biggest bunch of bologna I've ever heard. Jesus never denied healing to anyone! Jesus never once told anyone to suffer for God's glory. Suffering doesn't bring glory to God, healing does.

Pauls' thorn was a messenger sent from Hell to buffet him, not sickness or infirmity. God didn't tell Paul no, nor to endure! He told Paul that his grace was sufficient. Jesus doesn't tell us to pray to him to get rid of devils. He tells us to rebuke them in his name!

It's not God's will for anyone to suffer sickness or disease. I'm sorry that you have been sold that lie from Hell.

 

[shotgunner]

I wish God would heal me once and for all. I'm so weary of living in this chronic, agonizing pain every dang day.. I hope Jesus returns soon so I can get my pain free body.. Until then, I just have to endure through, as do we all.

Don't think that you just have to endure. Get every scripture that you can find on God's promises for healing. Start agreeing with them and thanking God for them regardless of how you feel. Believe you receive when you pray, not when you feel like you received. Continue to thank God for his healing and never deny what the Word says. That's how to operate in faith.


When we pray for salvation, we don't say we weren't saved if we don't feel something. We walk by faith, not by sight. Treat healing the same way. I don't deny pain or sickness, I deny it's right to stay in my body because of the promises of God. I never let go of those promises. I've been healed of many things this way including an elbow that gave me fits for 10 years. It took about a year of faith before I noticed no more pain and I have been healed for many years.



There's no faith at all if we don't know what God will do. Suppose I asked you if your husband would cheat on you and you told me he might or he might not, depending on whatever he wanted to do. I would say you had no faith in him. That's just a silly example of how we treat God concerning healing sometimes. Just simply find what God says about healing and believe that he will do what he says.

 

[slave]

You give me a break! That's the biggest bunch of bologna I've ever heard. Jesus never denied healing to anyone! Jesus never once told anyone to suffer for God's glory. Suffering doesn't bring glory to God, healing does.

Pauls' thorn was a messenger sent from Hell to buffet him, not sickness or infirmity. God didn't tell Paul no, nor to endure! He told Paul that his grace was sufficient. Jesus doesn't tell us to pray to him to get rid of devils. He tells us to rebuke them in his name!

It's not God's will for anyone to suffer sickness or disease. I'm sorry that you have been sold that lie from Hell.

The question is not if He wants suffering but whether He sees our happiness or our best interest as the priority in our life. It is thru crisis that you came to know Him. It is thru individual experiential crisis' that you have grown in Him. The greater good and the Spiritual truth of life weighs more on God's concerns than our immediate needs and happiness. No He never wants us to be harmed of coarse. He says He has come to prosper us and give us hope and a future, but he also says it is better to pluck out our eye than to lust with it and not make it to heaven. God isn't suggesting for us to have to do this, but He is showing us the Spiritual truth of the things that have value over things we are accustomed to having value. God makes a shift in the paradigm of our premise of beliefs when we enter into His will over our right to chose for ourselves. He is the one that is all knowing, He is the wisdom that we seek, not the other way around. Love does not author God, God authors Love, for God is love.

 

[blue_ladybug]

IMO it is because the faith is shakable.
I mean it's sincere until something carnal diverts your attention.

Remember the disciples were casting out the demons until the boy with epilepsy.
Have you ever seen anyone have a gran-mal seizure.
I use to date a girl that had one and it made the hair on my body strait.

OK, first of all, people with epilepsy do NOT have demons inside them causing the grand mal seizures. I have had epileptic seizures since age 5, and I do NOT have demons in me..lol.. Epilepsy is a neurologic disease which can be caused by many things such as trauma, brain damage, lack of oxygen at birth, which in my case, the latter is what happened. To those who believe that demons cause epileptic seizures, I call baloney on you. Educate yourselves on epilepsy, DON'T just assume that it's demons plaguing a person. Just because people in the bible had demons pitching fits of rage inside them, causing them to roll around, does NOT mean that they had epilepsy.. It simply means that a demon was able to inhabit them and cause uncontrollable fits. :/ There IS a difference between a legitimate epileptic seizure, and someone who has uncontrollable fits because their demon-possessed..

 

[jsr1221]

Who on Earth comes up with these threads? Good grief... This kind of stuff is why I want to smack common sense in people.