Faith is our righteousness - Christ is our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins

[PeterJens]

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.


6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

 

[PeterJens]

Praise the Lord, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
6 The Lord works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed.
7 He made known his ways to Moses,
his deeds to the people of Israel:
8 The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9 He will not always accuse,
nor will he harbor his anger forever;
10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father has compassion on his children,
so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him;
14 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.
15 The life of mortals is like grass,
they flourish like a flower of the field;
16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
and its place remembers it no more.
17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the Lord’s love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children’s children—
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.
19 The Lord has established his throne in heaven,
and his kingdom rules over all.
20 Praise the Lord, you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his bidding,
who obey his word.
21 Praise the Lord, all his heavenly hosts,
you his servants who do his will.
22 Praise the Lord, all his works
everywhere in his dominion.
Praise the Lord, my soul.

 

[PeterJens]

I will extol the Lord at all times;
his praise will always be on my lips.
2 I will glory in the Lord;
let the afflicted hear and rejoice.
3 Glorify the Lord with me;
let us exalt his name together.

4 I sought the Lord, and he answered me;
he delivered me from all my fears.
5 Those who look to him are radiant;
their faces are never covered with shame.
6 This poor man called, and the Lord heard him;
he saved him out of all his troubles.
7 The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear him,
and he delivers them.

8 Taste and see that the Lord is good;
blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.
9 Fear the Lord, you his holy people,
for those who fear him lack nothing.
10 The lions may grow weak and hungry,
but those who seek the Lord lack no good thing.
11 Come, my children, listen to me;
I will teach you the fear of the Lord.
12 Whoever of you loves life
and desires to see many good days,
13 keep your tongue from evil
and your lips from telling lies.
14 Turn from evil and do good;
seek peace and pursue it.

15 The eyes of the Lord are on the righteous,
and his ears are attentive to their cry;
16 but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil,
to blot out their name from the earth.

17 The righteous cry out, and the Lord hears them;
he delivers them from all their troubles.
18 The Lord is close to the brokenhearted
and saves those who are crushed in spirit.

19 The righteous person may have many troubles,
but the Lord delivers him from them all;
20 he protects all his bones,
not one of them will be broken.

21 Evil will slay the wicked;
the foes of the righteous will be condemned.
22 The Lord will rescue his servants;
no one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.

 

[phil36]

Just a nice quote for us to think about:


“Faith is ultimately a firm and certain knowledge of God's benevolence toward us, founded upon the truth of the freely given promise in Christ, both revealed to our minds and sealed upon our hearts by the Holy Spirit”

― John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 2 Vols

 

[PeterJens]

Just a nice quote for us to think about:


“Faith is ultimately a firm and certain knowledge of God's benevolence toward us, founded upon the truth of the freely given promise in Christ, both revealed to our minds and sealed upon our hearts by the Holy Spirit”

― John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 2 Vols

Funnily enough a lot of people do not find a problem with christians who are either calvanist or armenian, they are still christians. It does make me wonder about those wishing to cleanse the church.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - I am sorry, how can I help you?

Calm down before you have a heart attack. "My arrogance has gone too far"

My sin is to say I reject calvanism, have not sin to repent of and am not a dispensationalist. These are the things you appear to follow.

I am floored. After all we have been through today, And you still want to tell me I am Calvinist, and demand you follow Calvinism..

Dude if you have any respect for yourself. Do not talk anymore. You just took a bad bad bad (yes I repeated that on purpose) situation and made it worse.

I have never even discussed dispensationalism to you. And have said that over and over, And you still think it is one of the things I have against you (when I hold that against NO ONES SALVATION.

Please deny them and tell me where you are. I can only say what you appear to be saying to me.

First thing you can do is deny them yourself. Because I have never claimed you do any of those things you accuse me off.

I am not sure I can help you further.

You can't help me, But you can help yourself. by a little bit of humility and repentance, and confess you have lied. and made claims I have said things to you or want you to do things I HAVE NEVER SAID OR INSINUATED

If I died would that help?

No, That would be sad for I would fear another one is lost.

If I became like you, but I do not know what you believe.

I have never asked you to become like me, Many people in here are nothing like me, yet we have joy and fellowship as brothers and sisters.

You want so fervently me to accept something? That I am saved for eternity? I am, if I stay believing in Christ.

in other words you do not have full assurance, You do not have confidence in God.. Thus you do not have faith (look up the word faith.. Belief in God is not enough.

I want to give you assurance and confidence in Christ, But you have to be willing to humble yourself and fall to him, and call out to him. I can not help you .

Please, how can I assuage your anger. I will do anything, I just want to help you... Please, before ...

My Anger?? lol.. I am just trying to get someone to confess his sin of bearing false witness, Of doing what he demands others do. And here you are, after a whole day of confronting you. You still do not see the same sin you continue to commit..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wonder, I really wonder, like a person on a sunday afternoon, why pride and anger should be built so high.

It is an insult to be called calvanist.
It is an insult to be told you are calling someone to repent but not of what
It is an insult to suggest their view of christian faith is dispensational.

Where I probably made the mistake is use the word Christian.

Now strictly speaking I never called EG these things. I said I did not agree with these positions.
But maybe association is sinful, because they are so evil. I personally would have fellowship with calvanists, people who say I have sinned and dispensationalists.

Now at the end of this I am meant to be a calm student looking up to my wise teacher and do what they say.
It is a strange approach, but not to a right wing supporter who wishes to impose their ideas on others.

As I said I do not want interaction but somehow this just keeps on rolling.

You said and I repeat. EG IS DEMANDING I BELIEVE THESE THINGS..

Is admitting you are wrong that hard?? I mean lets be honest here,

How hard is it to say, Hey EG I am sorry, You keep talking about OSAS. and I have always been taught OSAS is strictly a calvanist view But I see you discussing in other areas against the calvanist viewpoint of how one is saved, and double predestination. So can you help me? What theological school do you follow (if any) and what do you realy believe, why do you believe In OSAS? and how if you are not Calvinist. I am sorry I keep saying you demand I am calvanist, I see now that does not make any sense at all.

You say I water down the law. Can you explain, Why would you think I do that.

Every dispensationalist I know has a faulty view of salvation. They think people are saved different ways and some things are just for one nation or whatever. Could you explain what you believe, since it seems evident from todays conversations you do not believe this.

But no.

He repeats.

Why do you want me to be calvanist,

Why do you want me to confess sins I have never commited

Why do you demand I be dispensational or I am not saved

SMH!!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.


6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

News flash my friend, You posting passages of scripture is useless if you refuse to repent and confess your own sin against others..

So please. stop trying to look all religious and stuff, when you continue to prove you are not.

 

[PeterJens]

EG has forced me to look at in details of his beliefs. Not suprisingly he is rather sparse on what he actually believes.
It means you can attack everyone at will Calvanist, Armenians. They all have a hard time pinning him down.

He loves the quick attack

Arminian. - A powerless God who can not save anyone, Needs men to help save themselves


Calvin - Tells everyone they have no excuse. Yet forces many people to reject him.. Then will send them to hell, even though they have no excuse..


One is evil, and all who follow him will follow him to hell


The other gives God a bad name, Although many of them will be saved, because at least they have the right gospel.

The problem with this position is it is not honest and does not go through the beliefs.

Calvanist:

Total depravity - Maybe, People have inability to walk righteously
Unconditional election - Problem - free will involved
Limited atonement - Yes, atonement is for only those who believe
Irresistible grace Yes he believes this
Perseverance of the saints Yes he believes this


Armenian:

Depravity total: Yes
Atonement for all: Yes
Jesus's death effective through faith: Yes
Grace resistible: You can turn away: Yes
Election conditional: by faith but can be lost: No
Christ righteousness imputed: Yes
Eternal security conditional: No

So EG appears to be partly Armenian and partly Calvanist

He has the salvation of an armenian but the eternal security of a calvanist.

I wonder how much you have to believe of each to be called a follower of that. I am not surprised this is confusing.

I have been more calvanistic in salvation and more armenian in eternal security

But I think this also demonstrates why I would conflict with EG and think he is calvanist.

The power of analysis is to get an idea of where people are, but it never answers the why.

At least it helps me understand.

So maybe I should call EG a ArmenCalvo and me a CalvoArmen.

Now I wish people could take this in a more light hearted way, but then discovery is always has its risks.

Beware the ArmenCalvos they have a sharp tongue.

 

[PeterJens]

Sing joyfully to the Lord, you righteous;
it is fitting for the upright to praise him.
2 Praise the Lord with the harp;
make music to him on the ten-stringed lyre.
3 Sing to him a new song;
play skillfully, and shout for joy.

4 For the word of the Lord is right and true;
he is faithful in all he does.
5 The Lord loves righteousness and justice;
the earth is full of his unfailing love.

6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
their starry host by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathers the waters of the sea into jars[a];
he puts the deep into storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the people of the world revere him.
9 For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.

10 The Lord foils the plans of the nations;
he thwarts the purposes of the peoples.
11 But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever,
the purposes of his heart through all generations.

12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,
the people he chose for his inheritance.
13 From heaven the Lord looks down
and sees all mankind;
14 from his dwelling place he watches
all who live on earth—
15 he who forms the hearts of all,
who considers everything they do.

16 No king is saved by the size of his army;
no warrior escapes by his great strength.
17 A horse is a vain hope for deliverance;
despite all its great strength it cannot save.
18 But the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him,
on those whose hope is in his unfailing love,
19 to deliver them from death
and keep them alive in famine.

20 We wait in hope for the Lord;
he is our help and our shield.
21 In him our hearts rejoice,
for we trust in his holy name.
22 May your unfailing love be with us, Lord,
even as we put our hope in you.

 

[PeterJens]

Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,
2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord,
and who meditates on his law day and night.
3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither—
whatever they do prospers.
4 Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
6 For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.

 

[PeterJens]

Dear reader EG has a crush on me. He sent 70+ notes addressed to me here. I admire his dedication.

I am not sure the purpose of this, but hey any attention is a good thing especially from someone of his stature.

I must be playing hard to get. Hehe

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG has forced me to look at in details of his beliefs. Not suprisingly he is rather sparse on what he actually believes.
It means you can attack everyone at will Calvanist, Armenians. They all have a hard time pinning him down.

He loves the quick attack

Arminian. - A powerless God who can not save anyone, Needs men to help save themselves


Calvin - Tells everyone they have no excuse. Yet forces many people to reject him.. Then will send them to hell, even though they have no excuse..


One is evil, and all who follow him will follow him to hell


The other gives God a bad name, Although many of them will be saved, because at least they have the right gospel.

The problem with this position is it is not honest and does not go through the beliefs.

Calvanist:

Total depravity - Maybe, People have inability to walk righteously
Unconditional election - Problem - free will involved
Limited atonement - Yes, atonement is for only those who believe
Irresistible grace Yes he believes this
Perseverance of the saints Yes he believes this


Armenian:

Depravity total: Yes
Atonement for all: Yes
Jesus's death effective through faith: Yes
Grace resistible: You can turn away: Yes
Election conditional: by faith but can be lost: No
Christ righteousness imputed: Yes
Eternal security conditional: No

So EG appears to be partly Armenian and partly Calvanist

See here is your problem. And why you have struggles believing things.

I believe in the trinity. So I must be partially catholic. I believe in faith alone, So I must be lutheran.

You claim you are Arminian and Baptist (first off. I have never met an Arminian Baptist. Most Catholics I know lean more toward Calvinism.. So If I tried to use the school of theology to attempt to determine what you believe, I will not get it right, I will continue to say you believe stuff you do not.. And bear false witness against you.

If we try to determine what people believe by placing them in theological schools. We will never be able to figure out what someone believes..

Your still ignoring the fact that you have sinned be bearing false witness. And like usual. YOU refuse to repent. You refuse to acknowledge you even made a mistake. All you do is keep attacking me.. Well keep it up bud.. All you do is expose who you really are.

He has the salvation of an armenian but the eternal security of a calvanist.

No, I do not have the salvation of an Arminian...that is nonsense..

I wonder how much you have to believe of each to be called a follower of that. I am not surprised this is confusing.

I have been more calvanistic in salvation and more armenian in eternal security

So we should all follow men and not God?? Wow, you have gone off the deep end..

But I think this also demonstrates why I would conflict with EG and think he is calvanist.

The power of analysis is to get an idea of where people are, but it never answers the why.

At least it helps me understand.

So maybe I should call EG a ArmenCalvo and me a CalvoArmen.

Now I wish people could take this in a more light hearted way, but then discovery is always has its risks.

Beware the ArmenCalvos they have a sharp tongue.

You refuse to repent. Call me pretty much every name in the book. and we should take it as lighthearted.

Wow you have nerve..

You going to repent. I will not stop confronting you until you do. and the more you refuse, the more you prove YOU ARE NOT ONE ANYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear reader EG has a crush on me. He sent 70+ notes addressed to me here. I admire his dedication.

I am not sure the purpose of this, but hey any attention is a good thing especially from someone of his stature.

I must be playing hard to get. Hehe

Wow. We make jokes out of sin..

And you call yourself a Christian?

You continue to prove everything I have said about you is true.

Are you going to stop excusing your sin, or are you going to go on this non Christian like rant, and prove you are the legalist you are, who is so afraid to admit any sin, they fall apart when confronted..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,
2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord,
and who meditates on his law day and night.
3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither—
whatever they do prospers.
4 Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
6 For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.

As I said,

If your not going to confess of open, unadulterated sin, but instead make lighthearted jokes, and blame shift everyone else.

Then you posting passages f scripture is meaningless.

It resembles a pharsee standing on the street corner trying to get everyone to see how religious they are..

 

[PeterJens]

EG Hello. You are saying I have sinned against you. Please tell me the harm you have suffered?

I have easily taken you at face value. But you are actually lying about your feelings. You care zero about what I am saying because you actually have zero respect for me, and regard me as an unbeliever.

I forget your complete judgementalism because I continually forgive you and forget. You may not have met many real christians before, but this is what we actually do. Repeatedly talking junk at me means literally nothing, zero. It does not effect me spiritually or in my walk with the Lord.

As you have refused for months to give me due respect in the Lord for my faith I am commanded to deal with you as I would an unbeliever. I hope you like your future, because I cannot see you ever resolving your approach or attitude.

You told me months ago your mission to root out legalism from the church. It is as insane now as it was then. It takes as its premise that the Lord desires this. Please tell me where in scripture you are shown to condemn people for being righteous faithful followers of Christ over those who claim another theology. In reality, as faith makes us righteous, walking away from faith, is loosing your salvation. I have you to thank for confirming this spiritual reality, and why the enemy wants to hide this reality and convince so many to have false hope and walk in sin and condemnation every day, which you continually admit to.

But as an enemy I expect nothing but abuse and slander from you. Welcome to your spiritual future.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG Hello. You are saying I have sinned against you. Please tell me the harm you have suffered?

I have suffered no harm. You think you harm me, you are mistaken.

I am holding a man who demands others do what he himself refuses to do accountable.

I have easily taken you at face value. But you are actually lying about your feelings. You care zero about what I am saying because you actually have zero respect for me, and regard me as an unbeliever.

See you do not know me at all. I am not like your church people who holds grudges. I could care less what you think about me. But I do care about your eternal soul. And I really care about how you effect those who are seeking God. because you give God a bad name.

I forget your complete judgementalism because I continually forgive you and forget. You may not have met many real christians before, but this is what we actually do. Repeatedly talking junk at me means literally nothing, zero. It does not effect me spiritually or in my walk with the Lord.

lol.. Real Christians do not act the way you do. They do not demand others do what they themselves refuse to do.

As you have refused for months to give me due respect in the Lord for my faith I am commanded to deal with you as I would an unbeliever. I hope you like your future, because I cannot see you ever resolving your approach or attitude.

That's ok. My future in heaven is assured. I have faith.. I trust God..

You, You do not even trust God can keep you from falling,, Let alone save you.. You give my God a bad name.. But hey, if that is what you want, that's fine,

It does not excuse you from judging others for sins, when you commit the same sins.

You told me months ago your mission to root out legalism from the church. It is as insane now as it was then. It takes as its premise that the Lord desires this. Please tell me where in scripture you are shown to condemn people for being righteous faithful followers of Christ over those who claim another theology. In reality, as faith makes us righteous, walking away from faith, is loosing your salvation. I have you to thank for confirming this spiritual reality, and why the enemy wants to hide this reality and convince so many to have false hope and walk in sin and condemnation every day, which you continually admit to.

Are you going to admit your sin or keep changing the subject?

But as an enemy I expect nothing but abuse and slander from you. Welcome to your spiritual future.

I REST MY CASE, HE SLANDERED ME EARLIER REFUSED TO REPENT OF HIS SIN, AND NOW HE AGAIN IS JUDGING ME FOR DOING THE VERY THING HE DID TO ME.


Wow dude, You are the easiest person I have ever had to deal with in exposing a false hypocritical spirit.

I am laughing quit hard now at what has just happened yet again, as if I should be surprised..

Sadly, I am also saddened. Because I fear your heart is too hard.. You are just like my father and those like him..

I told you to stop. You keep proving me right,, Maybe you will take the hint and stop now??

Or better yet, Open your eyes, Confess. Find freedom from the bondage you are in.. And call out to Jesus. Who has already forgiven you,

 

[PeterJens]

I have suffered no harm. You think you harm me, you are mistaken.

As I suspected, if I had sinned against EG he would have been hurt. So it is odd he claims I have sinned against him and yet it does not matter to him, at all.

It is all about manipulation and impact. I do find this way of communicating upsetting, because it is pointless, and only causes people distress. Going into a church and picking out people and calling them evil legalists. What effect do you think it will have on them? It could be devistating and the objective is to what? Purify the body. You can see this ministry in scripture? No. It is simply not there. This Holy Spirit brings this:-

Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3:12

If ones ministry does not aim to bring this to His people, there is something very wrong.
We are asked to confront sin, obvious, plain sin, but not to condemn and invent things against simple bible believing christians. This behaviour in and of itself is standing in judgement over the work of Christ in your fellow believers. It is dangerous and we are warned not to do this, at all.

You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
Rom 14:10

Now interestingly by saying judging like this is wrong those doing the judging will accuse me of doing the same thing.
But the judging is sin, it is extreme and liable to cause people to be disowned by Christ. We have to be very careful doing this and why. You know people have gone over the edge when then literally go not care about the impact and display hearts of stone, not interested in the impact they have.