Faith is our righteousness - Christ is our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins

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Complete_In_Him

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Thank you.

Doctrine is for what exactly, when it comes to good works in this ministry?

When it comes to a counterfeit form of godliness, doctrine is referred to as the doctrine of devils. This is what biblical fornication is all about, speaking things that are not the doctrines of God in right form.



psychomom said:
well, doctrine isn't evil, necessarily. and everyone has doctrine, though they may not like to call it doctrine ;)

'didaskalia' meaning teaching, usually translated doctrine.

holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. (Titus 1:9)

just like theology.. it simply refers to what one says (their words) about God.

welcome to the site, btw :)
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PeterJens

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FreeNChrist said:
Glad I could help you see that your "theology" is nothing new at all, but just the same old Pelgianism that has always been condemned as heresy by the Christian church.
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As I am not a Pelgianist, your dismissal means nothing. Do you do something more than put a label on and be dismissive?
It appears not. Are you and EG brothers?
 
PeterJens

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gb9 said:
in the first paragraph you reference yourself 12 times, God once. this is what we mean: get your eyes off of your self, turn them to Christ. you have a performance-based view of your relationship with God, not a grace based one.

we do not reach up to God, he reached down to us by sending his Son. focus on the Son, stop reaching up.
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I am lost about your point. It is not very meaningful or helpful. If I am describing my walk and experience, ofcourse I will be referenced a lot. It is like critizing a biography for talking about the person it was written about.

And yes making critical points can be helpful, but for me this does not qualify.
 
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FreeNChrist

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PeterJens said:
As I am not a Pelgianist, your dismissal means nothing. Do you do something more than put a label on and be dismissive?
It appears not. Are you and EG brothers?
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It is a tragic waste of a life to spend it arrogantly trying to re-invent a wheel that has already been invented. As Lewis said so well, "A great many of the ideas which are trotted out as novelties today, are simply the ones which REAL theologians tried centuries ago and rejected.”
 
PeterJens

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On the point of being dismissive. Certain schools of thought do not want to engage, but see it as a victory if the people leave. Unfortunately all that does is polarize the people.

One contributor said he knew a particular phrase would drive these people crazy. Unfortunately they could be completely wrong, it was there simple presumption of being right and condemning everyone else as sinners and lost if you did not agree.

My main reason for saying how I came to where I am, and my method, is not to be dismissive, but to talk about issues where we can agree and explore understanding in areas were we do not.

Now people on these forums have tried to ban them from saying or holding different beliefs, saying an evil spirit is present, that someone is possessed etc. So the kind of sanity involved varies a lot. I have worked with catholics, penticostals, baptists, brethren etc. some have a live faith, others I am not sure, but I would not say where they are, it is up to them.

So I find it odd how strongly over a few lines of sharing people are happy to write people off completely.

The subject here was Faith is our righteousness, and it appears to be so. So Amen to that.

No one has said it is not, so I have a changed perspective.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
As I am not a Pelgianist, your dismissal means nothing. Do you do something more than put a label on and be dismissive?
It appears not. Are you and EG brothers?
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so its ok for you to call me Calvinist? but not ok for someone to label you (not that I agree they should be doing it either.. Just trying to once again make a point)

Have I ever called you a name? or said you followed some school of theology. so based on that fact alone, your wrong?

Here you go again, judging someone for doing something you do continually yourself.

Are you going to repent about all those lies you said about me this morning or not??
 
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Complete_In_Him

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PeterJens said:
Are you and EG brothers?
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It appears to me that they are, brothers in Christ

... citizens of heaven, members of the household of God, building an inheritance for the Lord's glory. This is what eternally saved workmen, ambassadors, saints, children beloved of God do.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
I am lost about your point. It is not very meaningful or helpful. If I am describing my walk and experience, ofcourse I will be referenced a lot. It is like critizing a biography for talking about the person it was written about.

And yes making critical points can be helpful, but for me this does not qualify.
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if you did not always do this, it may be fine, But as he correctly pointed out. YOU ALWAYS DO THIS..

Thats why some will say you have a pharisee spirit, it is all about what you do. or you did, not about what God did..
 
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FreeNChrist said:
It is a tragic waste of a life to spend it arrogantly trying to re-invent a wheel that has already been invented. As Lewis said so well, "A great many of the ideas which are trotted out as novelties today, are simply the ones which REAL theologians tried centuries ago and rejected.”
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I am happy you are pleased with what you believe, I am arrogant enough to want to understand and not just accept.
Jesus calls me to know the truth and the truth sets me free. A lot of things I have been told are not true, so I need to separate out that which is true from that which is false.

You just do not like what you are hearing and believe your position is it, without question.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
On the point of being dismissive. Certain schools of thought do not want to engage, but see it as a victory if the people leave. Unfortunately all that does is polarize the people.

One contributor said he knew a particular phrase would drive these people crazy. Unfortunately they could be completely wrong, it was there simple presumption of being right and condemning everyone else as sinners and lost if you did not agree.

My main reason for saying how I came to where I am, and my method, is not to be dismissive, but to talk about issues where we can agree and explore understanding in areas were we do not.

Now people on these forums have tried to ban them from saying or holding different beliefs, saying an evil spirit is present, that someone is possessed etc. So the kind of sanity involved varies a lot. I have worked with catholics, penticostals, baptists, brethren etc. some have a live faith, others I am not sure, but I would not say where they are, it is up to them.

So I find it odd how strongly over a few lines of sharing people are happy to write people off completely.

The subject here was Faith is our righteousness, and it appears to be so. So Amen to that.

No one has said it is not, so I have a changed perspective.
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Now you are misrepresenting Christian chat except for certain beliefs, Which is stated clearly for all to see. No one gets banned for their beliefs.

They get banned because they continually lie about other people. they continually judge others for doing the very thing they themselves do (being a hypocrite)

This is not a baptist vs catholic vs armenian vs calvin discussion forum. It is a BIBLE DISCUSSION FORUM.

If you want to keep making it a Calvin vs Armenian forum, and never repent of doing the same things you continually bash others for.. Then you have no one to blame but yourself for..

By the way,, Just for proof of how forgiving i am,, I have not yet reported you. I hardly report anyone,, And I have never gotten any one banned, If you do not believe me, Ask any of the mods, or ask any of the people who are well respected and know things that happen in CC (watchers, but not actually mods)

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eternally-gratefull

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Complete_In_Him said:
It appears to me that they are, brothers in Christ

... citizens of heaven, members of the household of God, building an inheritance for the Lord's glory. This is what eternally saved workmen, ambassadors, saints, children beloved of God do.
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Thank you sis
 
PeterJens

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Complete_In_Him said:
It appears to me that they are, brothers in Christ

... citizens of heaven, members of the household of God, building an inheritance for the Lord's glory. This is what eternally saved workmen, ambassadors, saints, children beloved of God do.
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Maybe, but engaging at a simple level would be helpful.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
The subject here was Faith is our righteousness, and it appears to be so. So Amen to that.

No one has said it is not, so I have a changed perspective.
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Yes it is,,

Your point is that our righteousness comes from our faith.. but it is still how many good deeds we do in this faith. it is still our works, and not Gods work.

As many of people have tried to show you.. Our righteousness is from God, it is HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, not ours..

Now I know that offends you and gets you mad, and that is what started this whole battle. But if we are going to discuss the bible. we have to, whether you agree or not. or whether I agree or not is not the issue
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
Maybe, but engaging at a simple level would be helpful.
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been there done that, it did not work, It just made you mad.. and you continued to lie about others.. then yell nd scream when you though they lied against you.
 
PeterJens

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Me "Now people on these forums have tried to ban them from saying or holding different beliefs"

Other "Now you are misrepresenting Christian chat"

I am talking about people and what they have said on these threads, not CC.
This just makes me laugh, because it does not work at any level.

The way they tried to "ban" them was to say "You cannot say that or talk about that to others"
If you are naive and easily influenced it seems to have force but actually it is just bully tactics.

Enough already... is there not something else people can try and comment on, like the subject of the op.
 
PeterJens

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Hahahahahaha - I have never yelled and screamed about anything - hahahahahahaha

Take a chill pill, cool down, this is only a discussion forum, do you think this is really life and death?
 
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FreeNChrist

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PeterJens said:
I am happy you are pleased with what you believe, I am arrogant enough to want to understand and not just accept.
Jesus calls me to know the truth and the truth sets me free. A lot of things I have been told are not true, so I need to separate out that which is true from that which is false.

You just do not like what you are hearing and believe your position is it, without question.
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Like I said, this re-envisioning of yourself thing you have going on ain't gonna cut it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
Me "Now people on these forums have tried to ban them from saying or holding different beliefs"

Other "Now you are misrepresenting Christian chat"

I am talking about people and what they have said on these threads, not CC.
This just makes me laugh, because it does not work at any level.

The way they tried to "ban" them was to say "You cannot say that or talk about that to others"
If you are naive and easily influenced it seems to have force but actually it is just bully tactics.

Enough already... is there not something else people can try and comment on, like the subject of the op.
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Well unlike you. I will repent, I read what you said wrong..

I know, I Know. It must surprise you that someone like me is willing to humble himself and repent..

That's probably because as I have been saying, You do not know me at all. I do not have to fear God or people so much I am afraid to repent when I am wrong, I live up to my mistakes. And sadly, God had to pay the penalty for those mistakes. So I praise him and give him all the glory.. for I deserve non..

So when are you going to repent?




 
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
Hahahahahaha - I have never yelled and screamed about anything - hahahahahahaha

Take a chill pill, cool down, this is only a discussion forum, do you think this is really life and death?
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You don't admit to any wrong doing ever do you?

You do it all the time..

and oh by the way, Yes it is life and death, ETERNAL LIFE OR DEATH..

thats what we have been discussing.. If it were not that,, it would be foolish discussions..
 
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