Gap creationism (also known as ruin-restoration creationism, restoration creationism,

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BeyondET

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Well let's go back in time before Stephen Langton the archbishop of cantabury who created the modern chapter division, 1227 AD.



In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
 

stonesoffire

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what are everyone's thoughts on this, really just thought about it a little more
this is a theory to so dont freak out ok.
I don't agree that its just a theory. There are scriptures in the OT that most people just gloss over when reading that say things that aren't of this present age. Its the only thing that makes sense that agrees with facts of science.

Look at the term ages past in the NT. Why would Peter say this?
 
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BeyondET

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I don't agree that its just a theory. There are scriptures in the OT that most people just gloss over when reading that say things that aren't of this present age. Its the only thing that makes sense that agrees with facts of science.

Look at the term ages past in the NT. Why would Peter say this?
I'd say it's folk lore the gap theory in Genesis brought on by the invention of verse numbers in early 12th century...
 

wanderer6059

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I don't agree that its just a theory. There are scriptures in the OT that most people just gloss over when reading that say things that aren't of this present age. Its the only thing that makes sense that agrees with facts of science.

Look at the term ages past in the NT. Why would Peter say this?
i said it like that because i think it would be awesome if there was a time before are where angels lived on earth, other human like beings, and creature, and at one point they fought an all out war against God and His angels. describing the war in heaven and all that, in the end there is no proof... of what exactly happened. hence theory.
 

wanderer6059

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The Gap theory originated in the 19th century with the purpose to put Bible and science together (nothing wrong with that).

But it failed. The 19th century science was not very developed and the theology behind this is very weak.

What they have created is neither biblical nor scientific.
stop killing my daydreams of angel wars and a earth before are with its own unique story...... lol
 

sharkwhales

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Interesting post. I have some questions.

Adam’s sin brought death into our world (Rom. 5:12). Therefore, it is no contradiction with the Bible that Earth’s geology shows an ancient track record of death on this planet long before Adam. As we have seen, throughout the geologic record there is evidence of mass extinction and geologic catastrophes.
This is confusing, how can Adam's sin retroactively cause death before Adam's existence/fall?

Also,

Because Lucifer was the steward of the whole creation under heaven when he fell, all things under his rule were also subjected to corruption.


Where is this idea from exactly, I want to look it up.
 
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Sounds like this theory is trying to accommodate and inject mans science into the Biblical creation account, not good. Many of mans theories have been proven wrong, as men who are of this world and who are of the spirit of this world, tend to be liars promoting their own agenda. But God's words are Truth, because God cannot lie. Stick to the written words of God, because we also know by them, a little of mans leaven can leaven the whole lump.

1 Timothy 6:20
"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:"

The world by it's own wisdom knows not God. :)
 
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BeyondET

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Sounds like this theory is trying to accommodate and inject mans science into the Biblical creation account, not good. Many of mans theories have been proven wrong, as men who are of this world and who are of the spirit of this world, tend to be liars promoting their own agenda. But God's words are Truth, because God cannot lie. Stick to the written words of God, because we also know by them, a little of mans leaven can leaven the whole lump.

1 Timothy 6:20
"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:"

The world by it's own wisdom knows not God. :)
This always tickles me when people talk about science and being mans invention yet the universe was created using science on a Grand scale. Then do such things add the word science along with other words to a verse to fit a personal view. a flawed translation to the roof top.
 
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BeyondET

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Sounds like this theory is trying to accommodate and inject mans science into the Biblical creation account, not good. Many of mans theories have been proven wrong, as men who are of this world and who are of the spirit of this world, tend to be liars promoting their own agenda. But God's words are Truth, because God cannot lie. Stick to the written words of God, because we also know by them, a little of mans leaven can leaven the whole lump.

1 Timothy 6:20
"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:"

The world by it's own wisdom knows not God. :)
What's up with bible getaway seems they are pulling some wool over on something...

New International Version
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered.

New Living Translation
All slaves should show full respect for their masters so they will not bring shame on the name of God and his teaching.

English Standard Version
Let all who are under a yoke as bondservants regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled.

Berean Study Bible
All who are under the yoke of slavery should regard their masters as fully worthy of honor, so that God's name and our teaching will not be discredited.

Berean Literal Bible
As many as are under a yoke as slaves, let them esteem the own masters worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching should not be blasphemed.

New American Standard Bible
All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against.

King James Bible
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All who are under the yoke as slaves must regard their own masters to be worthy of all respect, so that God's name and His teaching will not be blasphemed.

International Standard Version
All who are under the yoke of slavery should regard their own masters as deserving of the highest respect, so that the name of God and our teaching may not be discredited.

NET Bible
Those who are under the yoke as slaves must regard their own masters as deserving of full respect. This will prevent the name of God and Christian teaching from being discredited.

New Heart English Bible
Let as many as are bondservants under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and the doctrine not be blasphemed.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Let those who are under the yoke of bondage hold their masters in all honor that the name of God and his teaching be not blasphemed.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
All slaves who believe must give complete respect to their own masters. In this way no one will speak evil of God's name and what we teach.

New American Standard 1977
Let all who are under the yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine may not be spoken against.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Let all that are under the yoke of slavery count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine not be blasphemed.

King James 2000 Bible
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

American King James Version
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

American Standard Version
Let as many as are servants under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and the doctrine be not blasphemed.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whosoever are servants under the yoke, let them count their masters worthy of all honour; lest the name of the Lord and his doctrine be blasphemed.

Darby Bible Translation
Let as many bondmen as are under yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and the teaching be not blasphemed.

English Revised Version
Let as many as are servants under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and the doctrine be not blasphemed.

Webster's Bible Translation
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine may not be blasphemed.

Weymouth New Testament
Let all who are under the yoke of slavery hold their own masters to be deserving of honour, so that the name of God and the Christian teaching may not be spoken against.

World English Bible
Let as many as are bondservants under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and the doctrine not be blasphemed.

Young's Literal Translation
As many as are servants under a yoke, their own masters worthy of all honour let them reckon, that the name of God and the teaching may not be evil spoken of;
 
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BeyondET

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The word science wasn't in language until the 1800 go figure...
 

trofimus

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Most of Christians hold the theistic evolution view, so I do not know why the gap theory is still discussed when almost nobody holds it.
 
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What's up with bible getaway seems they are pulling some wool over on something...

New International Version
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered.

New Living Translation
All slaves should show full respect for their masters so they will not bring shame on the name of God and his teaching.

English Standard Version
Let all who are under a yoke as bondservants regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled.

Berean Study Bible
All who are under the yoke of slavery should regard their masters as fully worthy of honor, so that God's name and our teaching will not be discredited.

Berean Literal Bible
As many as are under a yoke as slaves, let them esteem the own masters worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching should not be blasphemed.

New American Standard Bible
All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against.

King James Bible
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All who are under the yoke as slaves must regard their own masters to be worthy of all respect, so that God's name and His teaching will not be blasphemed.

International Standard Version
All who are under the yoke of slavery should regard their own masters as deserving of the highest respect, so that the name of God and our teaching may not be discredited.

NET Bible
Those who are under the yoke as slaves must regard their own masters as deserving of full respect. This will prevent the name of God and Christian teaching from being discredited.

New Heart English Bible
Let as many as are bondservants under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and the doctrine not be blasphemed.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Let those who are under the yoke of bondage hold their masters in all honor that the name of God and his teaching be not blasphemed.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
All slaves who believe must give complete respect to their own masters. In this way no one will speak evil of God's name and what we teach.

New American Standard 1977
Let all who are under the yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine may not be spoken against.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Let all that are under the yoke of slavery count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine not be blasphemed.

King James 2000 Bible
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

American King James Version
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

American Standard Version
Let as many as are servants under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and the doctrine be not blasphemed.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whosoever are servants under the yoke, let them count their masters worthy of all honour; lest the name of the Lord and his doctrine be blasphemed.

Darby Bible Translation
Let as many bondmen as are under yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and the teaching be not blasphemed.

English Revised Version
Let as many as are servants under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and the doctrine be not blasphemed.

Webster's Bible Translation
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine may not be blasphemed.

Weymouth New Testament
Let all who are under the yoke of slavery hold their own masters to be deserving of honour, so that the name of God and the Christian teaching may not be spoken against.

World English Bible
Let as many as are bondservants under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and the doctrine not be blasphemed.

Young's Literal Translation
As many as are servants under a yoke, their own masters worthy of all honour let them reckon, that the name of God and the teaching may not be evil spoken of;
Try checking the verse number first---->>>>

1Ti 6:20 O [SUP]G5599[/SUP] Timothy, [SUP]G5095[/SUP] keep [SUP]G5442[/SUP] that which is committed to thy trust, [SUP]G3872[/SUP] avoiding [SUP]G1624[/SUP] profane [SUP]G952[/SUP] and vain babblings, [SUP]G2757[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] oppositions [SUP]G477[/SUP] of science [SUP]G1108[/SUP] falsely so called: [SUP]G5581[/SUP]
 

wanderer6059

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Interesting post. I have some questions.



This is confusing, how can Adam's sin retroactively cause death before Adam's existence/fall?

Also,



Where is this idea from exactly, I want to look it up.[/COLOR]
that's the meaning of the thread all it is is theory. and i have know idea to that question lol
 

sharkwhales

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Most of Christians hold the theistic evolution view, so I do not know why the gap theory is still discussed when almost nobody holds it.
Those ideas aren't mutually exclusive, though. Even the day-age theory and the gap theory aren't mutually exclusive.
 
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Tintin

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I don't agree that its just a theory. There are scriptures in the OT that most people just gloss over when reading that say things that aren't of this present age. Its the only thing that makes sense that agrees with facts of science.

Look at the term ages past in the NT. Why would Peter say this?
Evidence, please. The onus is on you to show otherwise. Also, I already mentioned that we must view everything, including science, through the lens of the Bible. We shouldn't look at the world around us and then look to the Bible and mutilate the text to make it 'agree' with science.
 

trofimus

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Those ideas aren't mutually exclusive, though. Even the day-age theory and the gap theory aren't mutually exclusive.
In American Christian media it seems that there is only young earth creationism or gap theory and nothing else.

Which creates bad image and American Christians are confused that the Christians in Europe or elsewhere have no problem with evolution, old earth etc.

Some even know only these two views, so when I say "I am not young earth proponent" they automatically say "dont start with the gap theory nonsense" like this would be the only other possibility.

Thats why I wonder why are these two only so discussed and/or propagated in the USA. Both are a minority view (seen worldwide) and both have very serious problem with science or Bible.
 
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How about we look at this logically?

Genesis 1:2-3
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light"

Light is Electromagnetism, one of the Four Fundamental Forces of Nature.

Without it, Atoms (as we know them now) would not exist.

Thus, WATER CAN NOT EXIST BEFORE LIGHT.

Therefore, either...

A) The Bible is in error
B) YOU are in error

Which is it?

:rolleyes: