Gap creationism (also known as ruin-restoration creationism, restoration creationism,

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wanderer6059

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[h=2]The Grammar of Genesis 1:1–2[/h]Many adherents of the gap theory claim that the grammar of Genesis 1:1–2 allows, and even requires, a time-gap between the events in verse 1 and the events in verse 2. Into this gap—believed by many to be billions of years—they want to place all the major geological phenomena that have shaped the world.
This is an unnatural interpretation, not suggested by the plain meaning of the text. The most straightforward reading of the verses sees verse 1 as a subject-and-verb clause, with verse 2 containing three circumstantial clauses (i.e., three statements that further describe the circumstances introduced by the principal clause in verse 1).
This conclusion is reinforced by the grammarian Gesenius. He says that the Hebrew conjunction waw, meaning “and” at the beginning of verse 2, is a “waw copulative,” which compares with the old English expression “to wit.” This grammatical connection between verses 1 and 2 thus rules out the gap theory. Verse 2 is in fact a description of the state of the originally created earth: “And the earth was without form and void” (Genesis 1:2a).22
[h=2]“Was” or “Became”?[/h]Gappists translate “the earth was without form and void” to be “the earth became (or, had become) without form and void.” At stake is the translation of the Hebrew word hayetah (a form of the Hebrew verb, hayah, meaning “to be”).
Custance, a supporter of the gap theory, claims that out of 1,320 occurrences of the verb hayah in the Old Testament, only 24 can certainly be said to bear the meaning “to be.” He concludes that in Genesis 1:2hayetah must mean “became” and not simply “was.”
However, we must note that the meaning of a word is controlled by its context, and that verse 2 is circumstantial to verse 1. Thus “was” is the most natural and appropriate translation for hayetah. It is rendered this way in most English versions (as well as in the LXX). Furthermore, in Genesis 1:2 hayetah is not followed by the preposition le, which would have removed any ambiguity in the Hebrew and required the translation “became.”
[h=2]Tohu and Bohu[/h]The words tohu and bohu, usually translated “formless and void,” are used in Genesis 1:2. They imply that the original universe was created unformed and unfilled and was, during six days, formed and filled by God’s creative actions.
Gappists claim that these words imply a process of judgmental destruction and that they indicate a sinful, and therefore not an original, state of the earth. However, this brings interpretations from other parts of the Old Testament with very different contexts (namely, Isaiah 34:11 and Jeremiah 4:23) and imports them into Genesis 1.
Tohu and bohu appear together only in the three above-mentioned places in the Old Testament. However, tohu appears alone in a number of other places and in all cases simply means “formless.” The word itself does not tell us about the cause of formlessness; this has to be gleaned from the context. Isaiah 45:18(often quoted by gappists) is rendered in the KJV “he created it not in vain [tohu], he formed it to be inhabited.” In the context, Isaiah is speaking about Israel, God’s people, and His grace in restoring them. He did not choose His people in order to destroy them, but to be their God and for them to be His people. Isaiah draws an analogy with God’s purpose in creation: He did not create the world for it to be empty. No, He created it to be formed and filled, a suitable abode for His creation. Gappists miss the point altogether when they argue that because Isaiah says God did not create the world tohu, it must have become tohu at some later time. Isaiah 45:18 is about God’s purpose in creating, not about the original state of the creation.
Though the expression “tohu and bohu” in Isaiah 34:11 and Jeremiah 4:23 speaks of a formlessness and emptiness resulting from divine judgment for sin, this meaning is not implicit in the expression itself but is gained from the particular contexts in which it occurs. It is not valid therefore to infer that same meaning from Genesis 1:2, where the context does not suggest any judgment. As an analogy, we might think of a word like “blank” in reference to a computer screen. It can be blank because nothing has been typed on the keyboard, or it can be blank because the screen has been erased. The word “blank” does not suggest, in itself, the reason why the screen is blank. Likewise with “formless and void”—the earth began that way simply because it was not yet formed and filled, or it was that way because of judgment.
Theologians call the form of use of tohu and/or bohu in Isaiah 34:11 and Jeremiah 4:23 a “verbal allusion.” These passages on judgment allude to the formless and empty earth at the beginning of creation to suggest the extent of God’s judgment to come. God’s judgment will be so complete that the result will be like the earth before it was formed and filled—formless and empty. This does not imply that the state of the creation in Genesis 1:2 was arrived at by some sort of judgment or destruction as imagined by gappists. As theologian Robert Chisholm, Jr. wrote, “By the way, allusion only works one way. It is unwarranted to assume that Jeremiah’s use of the phrase in a context of judgment implies some sort of judgment in the context of Genesis 1:2. Jeremiah is not interpreting the meaning of Genesis 1:2.”23
[h=2]“Replenish”[/h]Many gappists have used the word “replenish” in the KJV translation of Genesis 1:28 to justify the gap theory on the basis that this word means “refill.” Thus, they claim that God told Adam and Eve to refill the earth, implying it was once before filled with people (the pre-Adamites). However, this is wrong. The Hebrew word translated “replenish,” male,24 simply means “fill” (or “fulfill” or “be filled”).
The English word “replenish” meant “fill” from the thirteenth to the seventeenth centuries; then it changed to mean “refill.” When the KJV was published in 1611, the translators used the English word “replenish,” which at that time meant only “fill,” not “refill.”25
[h=2]The Straightforward Meaning of Genesis 1:1–2[/h]The gap (or ruin-reconstruction) theory is based on a very tenuous interpretation of Scripture.
The simple, straightforward meaning of Genesis 1:1–2 is that, when God created the earth at the beginning, it was initially formless, empty, and dark, and God’s Spirit was there above the waters. It was through His creative energy that the world was then progressively formed and filled during the six days of creation.
Consider the analogy of a potter making a vase. The first thing he does is gather a ball of clay. What he has is good, but it is unformed. Next, he shapes it into a vase, using his potter’s wheel. Now the ball of clay is no longer formless. He then dries it, applies glaze, and fires it. Now it is ready to be filled—with flowers and water. At no time could one of the stages be considered evil or bad. It was just unfinished—unformed and unfilled. When the vase was finally formed and filled, it could be described as “very good.”
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Tintin

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But, hes not the originator of the teaching. Its from Jewish thought.
Actually, no. I believe it's a belief from Europe in the latter part of the Renaissance.
 
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Jon316

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I went to a museum and saw bones they called fossils. They said they're real fossils.
What if they're manufactured? How would I know the fossils are real? How would any of you?
I'd just be having faith in what a small group of scientists claim.
 
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Miri

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The gap theory is not biblical.

Why would there need to be a gap, did God get tired, is he incapable
of creating everything without the assistance of evolution, did he need to
go on a lunch break.

The bible has hundreds of verses about creation, to believe in any kind of
evolution or gap theory or a mixture of both, means you do not believe in the
Almighty, All powerful, creator God as set out in the bible.


Hebrews 11:3 NKJV
[3] By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.



Genesis 1:1-5 KJVS
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth
was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And
the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [3] And God said, Let there
be light: and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and
God divided the light from the darkness. [5] And God called the light Day, and
the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.



Hebrews 3:4 NKJV
[4] For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God.



Jeremiah 32:17 NKJV
[17] 'Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth
by Your great power and outstretched arm. There is nothing too hard for You.


Romans 11:36 NKJV
[36] For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory
forever. Amen.




Isaiah 40:28 NKJV
[28] Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the LORD,
The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary. His understanding
is unsearchable.




Psalm 90:2 NKJV
[2] Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had formed the
earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
 
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Jon316

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#85
The gap theory is not biblical.

Why would there need to be a gap, did God get tired, is he incapable
of creating everything without the assistance of evolution, did he need to
go on a lunch break.

The bible has hundreds of verses about creation, to believe in any kind of
evolution or gap theory or a mixture of both, means you do not believe in the
Almighty, All powerful, creator God as set out in the bible.
I agree completely with you. I am open to the possibility of mysteries we do not not of because they weren't discovered and included in the bible. It is in God's Word though literally. He spoke everything into existence. I will always go by the bible even if someone says they discovered a new text buried somewhere. I don't trust anything else but God's word. The times we live in and the deception upon the earth is real. Very easy to fall for gap creation/evolution/dinosaurs. Alot of science is a flawed or purposefully deceiving.
 

trofimus

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#86
The bible has hundreds of verses about creation, to believe in any kind of
evolution or gap theory or a mixture of both, means you do not believe in the
Almighty, All powerful, creator God as set out in the bible.
I believe in the old universe and I think evolution is a probable possibility.

And still, I believe in the Almighty, All powerful, creator God as set out in the bible.

So please, stop such accusations.
 
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Miri

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I believe in the old universe and I think evolution is a probable possibility.

And still, I believe in the Almighty, All powerful, creator God as set out in the bible.

So please, stop such accusations.

I wasn't accusing anyone I just don't understand how people can think the Almighty God
needs a bit if creative help via evolution. Evolution, even a small hint of it, undermines the
entire bible. As I mention there are hundreds of verses about creation throughout the bible.
If they are all wrong then can we even trust anything else the bible says about God.

A better question to ask is, why would God take as long as 6 days to create the universe. :)
 
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Miri

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its clear though in context there is an aspect of ruin to it tho? i mean i've read this and wondered, why would God use words like this, in this matter to describe His work in construction? even something half done by Him wouldn't us terms like this. unless He was the one to bring it to ruin.

The Beginning
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earthwas formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.…

Strong's Concordance
tohu: formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness
Original Word: תֹּ֫הוּ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tohu
Phonetic Spelling: (to'-hoo)
Short Definition: waste

[SIZE=+1]1[/SIZE]formlessness, of primaeval earth Genesis 1:2 (P), of land reduced to primaeval chaos Jeremiah 4:23 (both + וָבֹהוּand voidness), Isaiah 34:11׳קַותֿֿ ("" אַבְנֵי בֹהוּ), Isaiah 45:18בְרָאָהּ׳לֹא ת("" לָשֶׁבֶת יְצָרָתּ); Isaiah 24:10׳קִרְיַתאתּcity of chaos (of ruined city); = nothingness, empty space, Job 26:7תֹּלֶה אֶרֶץ׳עַלתּֿ; of empty, trackless wasteDeuteronomy 32:10 ("" מִדְבָּר), Job 6:18; Job 12:24 = Psalm 107:40.

Strong's Concordance
bohu: emptiness
Original Word: בֹּ֫הוּ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: bohu
Phonetic Spelling: (bo'-hoo)
Short Definition: void

Brown-Driver-Briggs
בֹּ֫הוּ[SIZE=+1]noun [masculine][/SIZE][SIZE=+1]emptiness[/SIZE] (on form see Ges[SUP]§ 84a[/SUP], 1 b Sta[SUP]§ 95, 198 a, on usage[/SUP]compare Lag[SUP]Or. ii. 60 f.[/SUP]) always with תֹּהוּ q. v.; — תֹּהוּ וָבֹהוּGenesis 1:2 of primeval earth; Jeremiah 4:23 of earth under judgment of ׳י; קַותֿֿהֹוּוְאַבְנֵי בֹהוּIsaiah 34:11, the line of wasteness and the stones of emptiness, i.e. plummets, employed, not as usual for building, but for destroying walls; compare Di & see below אבן[SIZE=+1]6[/SIZE]

i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin


Cant believe a WOF person supports a gap theory.
Doesnt that contradict everything you believe. Ps I'm just genuinely wondering
as it seems strange that you think all you have to do is speak something in
faith and you are healed. But you don't believe that God spoke the entire
universe into existence without a little help from evolution.



Hebrews 11:3 NKJV
[3] By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
 

trofimus

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#89
I wasn't accusing anyone I just don't understand how people can think the Almighty God
needs a bit if creative help via evolution. Evolution, even a small hint of it, undermines the
entire bible. As I mention there are hundreds of verses about creation throughout the bible.
If they are all wrong then can we even trust anything else the bible says about God.

A better question to ask is, why would God take as long as 6 days to create the universe. :)
You said "to believe in...evolution means you dont believe in Almighty...God."

That you cant understand how science and Bible goes together does not mean others cant.
 

trofimus

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I went to a museum and saw bones they called fossils. They said they're real fossils.
What if they're manufactured? How would I know the fossils are real? How would any of you?
I'd just be having faith in what a small group of scientists claim.
Become a scientist and reveal this huge conspiracy to the world!

You will be famous and maybe will also obtain a Nobel prize.
 

wanderer6059

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Cant believe a WOF person supports a gap theory.
Doesnt that contradict everything you believe. Ps I'm just genuinely wondering
as it seems strange that you think all you have to do is speak something in
faith and you are healed. But you don't believe that God spoke the entire
universe into existence without a little help from evolution.



Hebrews 11:3 NKJV
[3] By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
i think you can speak things out, and god blesses in many ways. if i have a head ache and i pray for healing then take some asprin, and it is gone in minutes. glory to God cause he made the wisdom that made that pill. if i need money for something and i pray about it, and i get more time at work, glory to God my need was met. its not about a just speaking it out, but receiving it however it comes to you. idk how God made everything but i know He did. idk how He will heal me or meet my needs, but i know He said He would. and if He says it, it happens.
 

wanderer6059

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I wasn't accusing anyone I just don't understand how people can think the Almighty God
needs a bit if creative help via evolution. Evolution, even a small hint of it, undermines the
entire bible. As I mention there are hundreds of verses about creation throughout the bible.
If they are all wrong then can we even trust anything else the bible says about God.

A better question to ask is, why would God take as long as 6 days to create the universe. :)
macro evolution doesn't..
 

The_Bible

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[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2QjvJ5zCo[/video]
 
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Jon316

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Become a scientist and reveal this huge conspiracy to the world!

You will be famous and maybe will also obtain a Nobel prize.
I'm pretty sure I'd be called a conspiracy-theorist hahaha
 
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