Gap creationism (also known as ruin-restoration creationism, restoration creationism,

[LaurenTM]

Right-on Op.

I was hoping this topic would show up.

The fact that Jesus taught that there are gaps in the middle of verses just goes to show that maybe we overlooked something.

We are living in a two thousand year Gap right now.

Pretty compelling evidence if you ask me.

many times

many many times

shown up, that is

 

[LaurenTM]

Interesting post. I have some questions.



This is confusing, how can Adam's sin retroactively cause death before Adam's existence/fall?

Also,



Where is this idea from exactly, I want to look it up.[/COLOR]

I actually believe in an 'old earth'

(don't stone me)

but the quotes from the op are off the wall...or right off the edge of the world for all flat earth theorists....

Originally Posted by wanderer6059

Adam’s sin brought death into our world (Rom. 5:12). Therefore, it is no contradiction with the Bible that Earth’s geology shows an ancient track record of death on this planet long before Adam. As we have seen, throughout the geologic record there is evidence of mass extinction and geologic catastrophes.

Originally Posted by wanderer6059

Because Lucifer was the steward of the whole creation under heaven when he fell, all things under his rule were also subjected to corruption.

just............no

 

[Base12]

many times

many many times

shown up, that is

Excellent, so then what was the main conclusion as to why Jesus taught that thousands of years (Gap) can exist in the middle of a verse?

Not only that... but to go on to say that after the Gap comes this...

Jeremiah 4:23
"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light"

 

[Base12]

In the beginning (at the point God created time) He created the heavens and the earth (space and matter).

Except...

Matter cannot exist without first creating Light (Photon).

Electromagnetism 101.

 

[wanderer6059]

So you don't know what they base that part of the theory on? Why post it then?

because i'm still looking into it, its interesting to me, and i can? why does it matter that i know everything about it before i post it? i'm asking for what people think of it to, thats the reason i post it...

 

[wanderer6059]

I actually believe in an 'old earth'

(don't stone me)

but the quotes from the op are off the wall...or right off the edge of the world for all flat earth theorists....






just............no

those where just articles from a few web pages to give context to the gap theory to those who didn't know of it. again i'll say i don't believe this but i think it is a cool "theory" to think about. but it is pretty batty lol and it's a straight eagle dive off the edge to believe this.

 

[Base12]

Alright OP... since you seem to be serious about this I will offer two theories I'm currently working on.

This is a 'work in progress' so bear with me.

THEORY #1 - The 'Time Loop'

This one is fairly simple.

This verse describes the beginning of the World...

Genesis 1:2
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

This verse describes the end of the World...

Jeremiah 4:23
"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light"

In other words, the Book of Revelation (Head) connects right back to Genesis (Tail) in a continual 'ouroboros' style loop...

Scripture is replete with teachings of this...

Ecclesiastes 1:7
"All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again"

A River is symbolic of Time.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun"

Another obvious one.

Also...

The Lake of Fire is a representation of the End of Time. It's the 'head' of the snake so to speak.

It's also a Recycle Bin of sorts. Christians don't get the fact that it's merely a Portal back in time tied to Reincarnation...

Job 1:21
"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD"

God is Love. God is Merciful. God gives us another chance if we miss the 'Jesus Exit'.

THEORY #2 - The 'Prototype Universes'

This one is much more complex as it requires some knowledge of Particle Physics.

Our current Universe consists of Twelve Particles of Matter... hence the Twelve Tribes...

This would be Universe Prototype 'B'.

Universe Prototype 'A' would be the previous Universe or perhaps even a Parallel Universe that was destroyed because of great wickedness.

Universe Prototype 'A' is where Lucifer came from...

You will note that in the Universe Lucifer came from, when compared to the Standard Model, is missing the row for Neutrinos.

This would explain why Lucifer already existed before the beginning of our Universe Prototype 'B'.

Now then...

There is another Universe of course that will come after ours...

Revelation 21:1
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea"

However, this time God makes it so that the Serpent can't mess it up again.

In order to do this, the Standard Model will be slightly tweaked...

I have no idea how these Particles of Matter will behave, but apparently there will be no more death, pain, etc. in this next Universe Model.

The Beast, False Prophet and Dragon get thrown into the Lake only to get spit out in Genesis again... tormented eternally.

And that's about it in a nutshell.

Oh and one more thing...

These theories will be Big News one day, so be sure and grab some screenshots in case they disappear.

 

[trofimus]

So much desinformation and irrelevant information all around the place, just to find something "deep" or "mystical".

We are Christians, not some kind of Kabbalah folk, so let us walk in the light and clear things.

 

[wanderer6059]

So much desinformation and irrelevant information all around the place, just to find something "deep" or "mystical".

We are Christians, not some kind of Kabbalah folk, so let us walk in the light and clear things.

dude... its fun to think about an they are theories... not beliefs. the bible and God is all science, so why can't we think about it. its not heresy of blasphemy to think about stuff like this, if you don't want to be part of the conversation in a positive way, of think what we are doing i silly then don't say anything and leave.

 

[wanderer6059]

Alright OP... since you seem to be serious about this I will offer two theories I'm currently working on.

This is a 'work in progress' so bear with me.

THEORY #1 - The 'Time Loop'

This one is fairly simple.

This verse describes the beginning of the World...

Genesis 1:2
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

This verse describes the end of the World...

Jeremiah 4:23
"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light"

In other words, the Book of Revelation (Head) connects right back to Genesis (Tail) in a continual 'ouroboros' style loop...

Scripture is replete with teachings of this...

Ecclesiastes 1:7
"All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again"

A River is symbolic of Time.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun"

Another obvious one.

Also...

The Lake of Fire is a representation of the End of Time. It's the 'head' of the snake so to speak.

It's also a Recycle Bin of sorts. Christians don't get the fact that it's merely a Portal back in time tied to Reincarnation...

Job 1:21
"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD"

God is Love. God is Merciful. God gives us another chance if we miss the 'Jesus Exit'.

THEORY #2 - The 'Prototype Universes'

This one is much more complex as it requires some knowledge of Particle Physics.

Our current Universe consists of Twelve Particles of Matter... hence the Twelve Tribes...

This would be Universe Prototype 'B'.

Universe Prototype 'A' would be the previous Universe or perhaps even a Parallel Universe that was destroyed because of great wickedness.

Universe Prototype 'A' is where Lucifer came from...

You will note that in the Universe Lucifer came from, when compared to the Standard Model, is missing the row for Neutrinos.

This would explain why Lucifer already existed before the beginning of our Universe Prototype 'B'.

Now then...

There is another Universe of course that will come after ours...

Revelation 21:1
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea"

However, this time God makes it so that the Serpent can't mess it up again.

In order to do this, the Standard Model will be slightly tweaked...

I have no idea how these Particles of Matter will behave, but apparently there will be no more death, pain, etc. in this next Universe Model.

The Beast, False Prophet and Dragon get thrown into the Lake only to get spit out in Genesis again... tormented eternally.

And that's about it in a nutshell.

Oh and one more thing...

These theories will be Big News one day, so be sure and grab some screenshots in case they disappear.

.... that's gonna take me a minute to read and comprehend lol

 

[trofimus]

dude... its fun to think about an they are theories... not beliefs. the bible and God is all science, so why can't we think about it. its not heresy of blasphemy to think about stuff like this, if you don't want to be part of the conversation in a positive way, of think what we are doing i silly then don't say anything and leave.

If you like fantasies, write a fantasy book and you may earn some money. There is some gap after the Lord of the rings and Hobbit.

If you like public fantasies with the Word of God, you are on a wrong path, friend.

 

[wanderer6059]

If you like fantasies, write a fantasy book and you may earn some money.

If you like fantasies with the Word of God, you are on a wrong path, friend.

i dream about how amazing God can be, the Glory that He is.

did i say it was with the Word of God, did i say it is belief, no just an idea that can change. its not a path, but a thought.

Rufus: He still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the stuff that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, televangelism. But especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it.
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier...

i know what i believe in, and i know what i have ideas about....lol

 

[Base12]

There is some gap after the Lord of the rings and Hobbit.

There is also a Gap in the middle of Isaiah 61:2.

Almost two thousand years now.

Care to discuss why?

Or are you here to derail?

 

[trofimus]

There is also a Gap in the middle of Isaiah 61:2.

Almost two thousand years now.

Care to discuss why?

Or are you here to derail?

To derail you from electromagnetism, electrons and Lucifer's stones back to some meaningful grounds ;-)

 

[LaurenTM]

Excellent, so then what was the main conclusion as to why Jesus taught that thousands of years (Gap) can exist in the middle of a verse?

Not only that... but to go on to say that after the Gap comes this...

Jeremiah 4:23
"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light"

do a search and thou shalt find

 

[Base12]

To derail you from electromagnetism, electrons and Lucifer's stones back to some meaningful grounds ;-)

Got it... Isaiah 61:2 is meaningless.

I'm glad you expressed your opinion on that.

Way to avoid the question.

OK, for anyone else who cares to discuss Scripture, why did Jesus teach that there are gaps of time in the middle of verses?

 

[trofimus]

Got it... Isaiah 61:2 is meaningless.

I'm glad you expressed your opinion on that.

Way to avoid the question.

OK, for anyone else who cares to discuss Scripture, why did Jesus teach that there are gaps of time in the middle of verses?

I hope you dont "get" other things the same way, too. For your own sake.

 

[stonesoffire]

i said it like that because i think it would be awesome if there was a time before are where angels lived on earth, other human like beings, and creature, and at one point they fought an all out war against God and His angels. describing the war in heaven and all that, in the end there is no proof... of what exactly happened. hence theory.

~Isa_24:1　 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

Here you go wanderer. When did this happen? Good name choice by the way. only spell it wonderer. I love secrets revealed too.

 

[stonesoffire]

From my Oxford study bible.

Genesis means beginning. Genesis is the book that tells about the beginnings of things. This world, man, sin, civilization, nations, agriculture, machinery, music, poetry. It tells of the first marriage, first child born, first murder, first drunkenness, first kingdom, first heathen temple, but most wonderful of all, it tells of the beginning of Gods work of saving sinful man through the death of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. The story of His death beginning in Genesis, runs like a scarlet thread through the whole Bible. The seeds of all truth are in Genesis. The rest of the Bible unfolds them.

The beginning for this earth may have been countless ages ago. This is in no way contradictory to the Bible. We know that when God first create the earth, it was perfect (Isaiah 45:18). It is thought that the angel Lucifer lived on the earth for a time, perhaps as its king (he has been identified with the king of Tyre, Ezk 28: 13-15) but Lucifer became the one whom we know as Satan, or the devil, for he became proud and wanted to be as great as God (Isa 14:14). For this sin God had to punish him, verse 16. Although his power and majesty were not taken from him, his beauty was corrupted, his wisdom was changed to cunning, his intimate relationship with God was over, and this earth was destroyed (Jer 4: 23) It is thought that the earth was tilted out of its place; the oceans overflowed. Every living thing died instantly from the terrible cold that seized the earth. The fossils (animals or plants, or traces of animals or plants buried or preserved in solid rocks or caves) are all that is left of that former creation.

There are two periods of time, each of which may have been thousands of years long. One of these took place between the time when the earth was first created perfect and when it was laid waste. Gen 1: 1 -Gen 1: 2, the first sentence of verse 2. . The other period of time took place between the moment when the earth was laid waste and the re-creation. The story of the re-creation begins with the second sentence of verse 2.

We are the age of the promise of the seed that bruised the head of the serpent.

The saber sword Word anointed from the mouth of Yeshua ha Meschiah cuts off the head of the lies the serpent that speaks to our mind...trying to keep us in bondage which we are not. We are free but we must declare it. Believe and declare is the battle.

Going to post a poem now that I was given.

 

[trofimus]

From my Oxford study bible.

It is thought that the angel Lucifer lived on the earth for a time, perhaps as its king (he has been identified with the king of Tyre, Ezk 28: 13-15)...

It is thought that the earth was tilted out of its place; the oceans overflowed. Every living thing died instantly from the terrible cold that seized the earth. The fossils (animals or plants, or traces of animals or plants buried or preserved in solid rocks or caves) are all that is left of that former creation.

It is certainly thought in their heads, but how did they got such ideas?

There are two periods of time, each of which may have been thousands of years long. One of these took place between the time when the earth was first created perfect and when it was laid waste. Gen 1: 1 -Gen 1: 2, the first sentence of verse 2. . The other period of time took place between the moment when the earth was laid waste and the re-creation. The story of the re-creation begins with the second sentence of verse 2.

I would expect more views and neutral stance from "study Bible", not stating one view as a fact.

The saber sword Word anointed from the mouth of Yeshua ha Meschiah cuts off the head

I dont understand this sentence. Jesus is the Word.

...the lies the serpent that speaks to our mind...trying to keep us in bondage which we are not. We are free but we must declare it. Believe and declare is the battle.

We are free only if we believe in Christ and are born from above. Unbelievers are not free, no matter how or what they declare.