Gay and Lesbian Announcement: Once Saved Always Saved

[88]

That's the beauty of it... none of us will be practicing any of our sins in heaven!

*** we can agree on that...

 

[RickyZ]

But to live [a] lifestyle as if there are no consequences is dangerous.

For both saved and unsaved.

 

[88]

Can I ask another question. If you had a straight
person drug addict, criminal etc. who became a Christian born again, went to
bible college, evangelised others. Was highly respected for years and was a true Christian.
Then one day left his wife for an adulterous affair with another woman, left,the church and
began living a Godless life. What about them. (I know someone who this happened to).

The answer for both persons should be the same, it makes no difference whether gay or
straight.

Only God knows a man's heart and potential. One example might be the
prodigal son.

**** I agree---- hopefully whether gay or straight they will "come to themselves and repent"---- but to preach you can' t lose your salvation---- if wrong--- could cost people their eternal souls...

 

[PrynceNY]

Can I ask another question. If you had a straight person drug addict, criminal etc. who became a Christian born again, went to bible college, evangelised others. Was highly respected for years and was a true Christian. Then one day left his wife for an adulterous affair with another woman, left,the church and began living a Godless life. What about them. (I know someone who this happened to). The answer for both persons should be the same, it makes no difference whether gay or straight. Only God knows a man's heart and potential. One example might be the prodigal son.

The scriptures talk about those with knowledge of the truth & departing from the faith afterwards. 2 Peter 2:21 - It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

 

[RickyZ]

Can I ask another question. If you had a straight
person drug addict, criminal etc. who became a Christian born again, went to
bible college, evangelised others. Was highly respected for years and was a true Christian.
Then one day left his wife for an adulterous affair with another woman, left,the church and
began living a Godless life. What about them. (I know someone who this happened to).

The answer for both persons should be the same, it makes no difference whether gay or
straight.

Only God knows a man's heart and potential. One example might be the
prodigal son.

Amen

The answer for all persons should be the same... and it is.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

I think the entire purpose of this thread is to try to cause people to stumble.

It is anti-God and it is drama.

 

[88]

Arminianism versus eternal security, AGAIN?? And I am sure grace versus the law will soon follow.

Since there are already so many threads on this topic, you need go and read them all, and abandon this insincere thread.

So, does someone who baits others with an insincere heart lose their salvation or not?? Perhaps the OP ought to examine his heart, and figure out what his motives are for all these threads that glorify him, and not God. Another reason one might lose their salvation?

**** this approach is sincere--- a new look at an old teaching---- sometimes we need to look at things with fresh eyes---- their is no insincerity meant---- if I could spare one person hell--- from getting off track and confident in their sins--- it will be worth this thread...

 

[88]

I think the entire purpose of this thread is to try to cause people to stumble.

It is anti-God and it is drama.

**** the opposite---- my whole intent is a fresh look at an old teaching---- just think---some may be emboldened to sin thinking Once Saved Always Saved---- God even sends strong delusion on those in the Tribulation who did not love the Truth ( 2 Thessalonians 2: 10, 11)...

 

[88]

Ok, so this thread is not about living the gay/lesbian lifestyle as much as it is about OSAS........OK......

**** true---- but read Dr. Michael Brown's book-- " A Queer Thing Happened in America"...

 

[88]

I Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

(Bold emphasis mine)
The specific context deals with the sin of fornication, specifically with one's father's wife, but I think the principle applies in this case as well.

**** this is a good view---- a rough process hopefully avoided by backsliders--- but my concern also ----is there always an Apostle Paul type person around to pray this prayer and get those results...

 

[88]

I suppose they are asking, "How far is too far?"

**** right---- salvation is our hope--- not condemnation---we should present a solid message to lead people away from sin--- not encourage people to get close to the edges...

 

[88]

The scriptures talk about those with knowledge of the truth & departing from the faith afterwards. 2 Peter 2:21 - It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

**** that sounds pretty straight forward against Once Saved Always Saved----almost like what the Lord said about Judas---- we need to warn people with tears...

 

[sevenseas]

Can I ask another question. If you had a straight
person drug addict, criminal etc. who became a Christian born again, went to
bible college, evangelised others. Was highly respected for years and was a true Christian.
Then one day left his wife for an adulterous affair with another woman, left,the church and
began living a Godless life. What about them. (I know someone who this happened to).

The answer for both persons should be the same, it makes no difference whether gay or
straight.

Only God knows a man's heart and potential. One example might be the
prodigal son.

I like this example. Homosexuality is not the only sin in the book.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I like this example. Homosexuality is not the only sin in the book.

Hello sevenseas,

I agree also, but at the same time, no one is trying to convince the world that rape, murder, lying, stealing, adultery, etc., are ok. Also, God never destroyed several cities because of the above.

 

[oldhermit]

********A New Twist on an old topic------a gay man truly gets saved----repents of all sin----turns from sexual sin and pornography---has the witness of the abiding Spirit that he has been born again-----------after living for Christ for 5 years being accepted and recognized as a true and faithful witness for Christ---is turned by the gay agenda propaganda and turns toward open homosexuality---marries another man and starts a church welcoming gays and lesbians----What is your opinion----what does God's Word say about this**********if you're allergic to controversy avoid this thread---but I expect healthy Scriptural debate...

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. " 1Cor. 6:9-10

 

[sevenseas]

Hello sevenseas,

I agree also, but at the same time, no one is trying to convince the world that rape, murder, lying, stealing, adultery, etc., are ok. Also, God never destroyed several cities because of the above.

I agree. However, it seems Christians make such a big deal out of sexual sin while glossing over others like backstabbing, gossip and the like. I think sins like that do far more harm to the body of Christ.

We are told to run away from sexual sin, like Joseph from the wife of Potiphar, Genesis 39 I think, because that sin is in our bodies rather than outside. I think sexual sin is also taken far too lightly. It's extremely damaging

[h=1]1 Corinthians 6:18-20New Living Translation (NLT)[/h][FONT=&quot]18 Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 19 Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

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[PennEd]

Doesn't sound like a "new and different" angle of discussion to me.

 

[Adstar]

********A New Twist on an old topic------a gay man truly gets saved----repents of all sin----turns from sexual sin and pornography---has the witness of the abiding Spirit that he has been born again-----------after living for Christ for 5 years being accepted and recognized as a true and faithful witness for Christ---is turned by the gay agenda propaganda and turns toward open homosexuality---marries another man and starts a church welcoming gays and lesbians----What is your opinion----what does God's Word say about this**********if you're allergic to controversy avoid this thread---but I expect healthy Scriptural debate...

To be saved by the Word of God ( The LORD Jesus Christ ) one must believe the Word of God.. God declares the act of homosexuality a sin if a homosexual rejects Gods truth and loves sin instead they have fallen away from the love of the truth and have loved their evil...

You cannot be forgiven a sin that you do not acknowledge is sin before God.. To be forgiven a sin one must first acknowledge their sin to the one they have offended and seek their forgiveness.. Once a person will no longer accept that their transgression is a sin and engage in it with wilful rebellion against Gods Word then they have rejected The Atonement of the Messiah Jesus.. And they will not have it on the day of Judgement..

 

[FreeNChrist]

********A New Twist on an old topic------a gay man truly gets saved----repents of all sin----turns from sexual sin and pornography---has the witness of the abiding Spirit that he has been born again-----------after living for Christ for 5 years being accepted and recognized as a true and faithful witness for Christ---is turned by the gay agenda propaganda and turns toward open homosexuality---marries another man and starts a church welcoming gays and lesbians----What is your opinion----what does God's Word say about this**********if you're allergic to controversy avoid this thread---but I expect healthy Scriptural debate...

I would say he needs Jesus, as we all do.

 

[Adstar]

Can I ask another question. If you had a straight
person drug addict, criminal etc. who became a Christian born again, went to
bible college, evangelised others. Was highly respected for years and was a true Christian.
Then one day left his wife for an adulterous affair with another woman, left,the church and
began living a Godless life. What about them. (I know someone who this happened to).

It depends.. Does this man aknowledge his adutery is sin? Or does he say that his desire or love for that woman justifiys him and that his adultry is no sin? You see it is not the sinning that will condemn the man to the eternal lake of fire because all men ( and woman for that matter ) sin.. What condemns someone to the eternal lake of fire is not being forgiven for their sins....

The answer for both persons should be the same, it makes no difference whether gay or
straight.

Maybe it is.. Maybe not.. it is not about what one does.. It is about what one believes about what one does... If the homosexual has married another man he is seeking to be justified in his sin, trying to make it now alright,, if he has started a homosexual church and is preaching that homosexuality is now alright and for the men to go and get married then he is deceived and a deceiver leading them all to fall away and to be no longer covered by the Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Only God knows a man's heart and potential. One example might be the
prodigal son.

True.. Who knows one day this homosexual may renounce his marriage to the other man.. He may renounce his false church and he may come back to God with contrition and repentance for his sin.. And the LORD Jesus will forgive and embrace him with open arms.. But as he stands right now He will die in his sin and will be doomed.. Same goes for anyone who seeks to justify their sin and seems to proclaim that their sin is not sin..