Gay and Lesbian Announcement: Once Saved Always Saved

[Grace777x70]

********A New Twist on an old topic------a gay man truly gets saved----repents of all sin----turns from sexual sin and pornography---has the witness of the abiding Spirit that he has been born again-----------after living for Christ for 5 years being accepted and recognized as a true and faithful witness for Christ---is turned by the gay agenda propaganda and turns toward open homosexuality---marries another man and starts a church welcoming gays and lesbians----What is your opinion----what does God's Word say about this**********if you're allergic to controversy avoid this thread---but I expect healthy Scriptural debate...

Let's look at it this way. Say a person gets saved - stops doing the "biggie sins" like immorality which would be living the gay lifestyle.

This "good Christian" goes to church every time the doors are open, reads the bible every day, prays 3x every day. But this same person loves to slander others in the body of Christ that have a different opinion then what they do on some subjects. They have malice towards that person. Both malice and slander are in the same lists as the homosexual lifestyle.

Are these "good Christians" still saved? I say that both those that live the gay lifestyle and those that slander others are in the exact same boat. Both are deceived by the deceitfulness of sin.

All the works of the flesh bring destruction of some sort to all of us while on this earth. Is salvation as in being one with the Lord dependent on what we do or what Jesus has already done?

 

[Stephen63]

That's the beauty of it... none of us will be practicing any of our sins in heaven!

Those "practicing" sin aren't going.

 

[Stephen63]

I think the entire purpose of this thread is to try to cause people to stumble.

It is anti-God and it is drama.

Ok..... so you think that.

Would be nice though if you proved it.

 

[Willie-T]

"Healthy Scriptural Debate:

Romans 1:16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 .) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 .) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 .) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 .) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 .) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 .) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 .) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 .) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 .) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 .) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 .) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 .) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 .) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 .) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 .) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 .) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So, basically, you have said nothing of your own beliefs since all the Scripture you copy/pasted can, and often is, taken by various people in various ways.

You will say "It says what it says. How can you not see that?"
And another person will say "Yes it certainly does."

While neither of you see the same thing.

 

[Stephen63]

Let's look at it this way. Say a person gets saved - stops doing the "biggie sins" like immorality which would be living the gay lifestyle.

This "good Christian" goes to church every time the doors are open, reads the bible every day, prays 3x every day. But this same person loves to slander others in the body of Christ that have a different opinion then what they do on some subjects. They have malice towards that person. Both malice and slander are in the same lists as the homosexual lifestyle.

Are these "good Christians" still saved? I say that both those that live the gay lifestyle and those that slander others are in the exact same boat. Both are deceived by the deceitfulness of sin.

All the works of the flesh bring destruction of some sort to all of us while on this earth. Is salvation as in being one with the Lord dependent on what we do or what Jesus has already done?

He always seems to miss the "teaching false doctrine" part when he mentions these sins. I dare say that sin is just as abundant on CC as malice & slander.

As a matter of fact, the sin of teaching false doctrine is the root cause of malice & slander, therefore it's worse.

 

[Stephen63]

So, basically, you have said nothing of your own beliefs since all the Scripture you copy/pasted can, and often is, taken by various people in various ways.

You will say "It says what it says. How can you not see that?"
And another person will say "Yes it certainly does."

While neither of you see the same thing.

I am blamed for "coming against" certain folks when others say they are saying the same thing, when, in fact, they're not. Those "certain folks" are only making their doctrine sound the same.

It seems only discerning hearts knows the difference.

 

[laymen]

Ben Carson Schools Katie Couric on Gender Identity - She Doesn't Know How to Respond! | TellMeNow

 

[lastofall]

Wherefore would you have any interest whatsoever in what impenitent sinners say?

 

[Miri]

The thing that bothers me most about all this gay threads, is that they
achieve absolutely nothing, zilch, zero and what's worse we get a few every month
springing up. Worse still they typically end up in a blood bath!

We are suppose to be Christians folks.

Instead how about we pray against the deception and manipulation of Satan and
for some sense to be knocked into authorities and governments who just seem
only too happy to help Satan along with his manipulation in the disguise of
political correctness.

How about we pray that these men and women caught up in all of this, will be set free.

Sigh...I suppose that is asking too much though isn't it. No doubt there will be more
pointless gay debates to come and we will all continue to go round in circles. I'm
convinced this is one of Satan's ploys as well, to get all those little Christians running
around in circles, that they became a useless piece of armour in the real war.

 

[PrynceNY]

The thing that bothers me most about all this gay threads, is that they achieve absolutely nothing, zilch, zero and what's worse we get a few every month springing up. Worse still they typically end up in a blood bath! We are suppose to be Christians folks. Instead how about we pray against the deception and manipulation of Satan and for some sense to be knocked into authorities and governments who just seem only too happy to help Satan along with his manipulation in the disguise of political correctness. How about we pray that these men and women caught up in all of this, will be set free. Sigh...I suppose that is asking too much though isn't it. No doubt there will be more pointless gay debates to come and we will all continue to go round in circles. I'm convinced this is one of Satan's ploys as well, to get all those little Christians running around in circles, that they became a useless piece of armour in the real war.

I wouldn't say they achieve absolutely nothing. For the most part these threads are made by people that sincerely have questions. We can pray for them but we also have to lay down the truth.

 

[stonesoffire]

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


keyword here is suffer. Perhaps this is the subject that should be discussed?

I haven't seen any threads about it. Not that there aren't, just haven't seen any.

 

[88]

Let's look at it this way. Say a person gets saved - stops doing the "biggie sins" like immorality which would be living the gay lifestyle.

This "good Christian" goes to church every time the doors are open, reads the bible every day, prays 3x every day. But this same person loves to slander others in the body of Christ that have a different opinion then what they do on some subjects. They have malice towards that person. Both malice and slander are in the same lists as the homosexual lifestyle.

Are these "good Christians" still saved? I say that both those that live the gay lifestyle and those that slander others are in the exact same boat. Both are deceived by the deceitfulness of sin.

All the works of the flesh bring destruction of some sort to all of us while on this earth. Is salvation as in being one with the Lord dependent on what we do or what Jesus has already done?

**** good point---- we should not take sin lightly---- if we are Born of God we do not practice sin (1 John 3:9)----my emphasis is not to condemn people...

 

[88]

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


keyword here is suffer. Perhaps this is the subject that should be discussed?

I haven't seen any threads about it. Not that there aren't, just haven't seen any.

****talking about suffering these days is as popular as salad at a bacon bar...

 

[88]

I wouldn't say they achieve absolutely nothing. For the most part these threads are made by people that sincerely have questions. We can pray for them but we also have to lay down the truth.

**** the gay debate in the Church will be one of the most important I believe in the upcoming days----- we must warn and love people with tears ( not malice)--- but resist the gay agenda---- much is at stake...

 

[88]

Wherefore would you have any interest whatsoever in what impenitent sinners say?

**** if the Church is preaching they were once saved always saved---- I totally hope so--- but Scripture warns loudly to turn people from the deceitfulness of sin...

 

[stonesoffire]

That's true 88. Years ago I had a young man on my Facebook who was homosexual but had repented. He was suffering for Jesus because his desire had not changed. His love for Jesus was greater. I've lost touch with him and don't know how he is doing now.

Perhaps another problem in the churches is deliverance is almost frowned upon.

In America that is.


Another scripture...

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

 

[Utah]

A man gave a free gift of a new car to his son, the conditions were if he abide in the traffic laws and not get any tickets...The son was wreckless, receiving many traffic tickets. The father took the car away because the conditional covenant was broken and taken advantage of, he did not abide in the covenant conditions. laid down from the beginning.....No difference with God's promise, it also comes with conditions of obedience, known as the new covenant, not a mere clothing for sin that still exits...

Conditional faith; that's a good one. Try again.

 

[88]

That's true 88. Years ago I had a young man on my Facebook who was homosexual but had repented. He was suffering for Jesus because his desire had not changed. His love for Jesus was greater. I've lost touch with him and don't know how he is doing now.

Perhaps another problem in the churches is deliverance is almost frowned upon.

In America that is.


Another scripture...

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

**** Acts 20:29-31----we should have compassion--- warning people day and night with years---- grievous wolves will promote teachings that dismiss the warnings...

 

[88]

Doesn't sound like a "new and different" angle of discussion to me.

**** we need to bring truth to the forefront---- if we stick to the issue--- we can learn something---- have you ever heard a sincere gay persons side of the story---- this is not just doctrine and arguing---- it is men and women souls in the balance...

 

[Stephen63]

Originally Posted by willybob

A man gave a free gift of a new car to his son, the conditions were if he abide in the traffic laws and not get any tickets...The son was wreckless, receiving many traffic tickets. The father took the car away because the conditional covenant was broken and taken advantage of, he did not abide in the covenant conditions. laid down from the beginning.....No difference with God's promise, it also comes with conditions of obedience, known as the new covenant, not a mere clothing for sin that still exits...

Conditional faith; that's a good one. Try again.

You can always tell when you're spot-on, willybob..... others will pounce on your post like white on rice.