God means for all His Saints to be sinless

[Grace777x70]

Looks like it is time for the scriptures on righteousness in order to show this works-based religion of self-performance which denies the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Righteousness is a gift not a reward for our D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness. Christ is our righteousness. This is where all works-based religions pervert the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.

Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.

I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".

Here is how righteousness is manifested in a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now!

This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.

The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.

Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man...you will then manifest outwardly who you already are now in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.


Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13[/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21[/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells and His life gets manifested in love towards others in this hurt and dying world.

 

[Grace777x70]

Looks like it is time for "scripture" again in the area of righteousness. Why do people fight so much against the work of Christ and instead live by their own humanistic thoughts? Why don't we believe in Christ? Why are we continually denying Him and what He has already done for us?

I can give you guys what the scriptures say about righteousness and believers that are "in Christ" now. Everyone can believe what they want too.

The understanding of the new creation in Christ and the new identity of the believer is paramount to living the true Christian life. All works-based religions of self-righteousness stumble over this rock of offense.


Here it says our spirit ( the inner person that is a new creation in Christ ) is alive because of righteousness that it is it.

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Here righteousness is a gift - you don't earn it.

Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

We have grace reigning in our lives because of righteousness in us.

Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21[/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Here righteousness comes by faith.

Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Here when we believe - we are righteousness.

Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

We are in the kingdom of God.

Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Here it says that God made us righteousness in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

This says we have become the righteousness of Christ ( this is called a dependent clause in the greek - it is determined as fulfilled because Christ became sin )

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Believers are called righteousness.

2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?


Here it is saying that "righteousness comes by Christ".

Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Here we have the breastplate of righteousness - which is the armor of God that we are to be strong in.

Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

This talks about the new man in Christ - the new creation.

Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....

 

[Grace777x70]

We that are in Christ have the Lord's righteousness now in our inner man that is in Christ. We need to be preaching the grace of God so that we can grow up in Christ. As we have received Him - by grace through faith in His work alone - that is how we live and walk in Him. Col. 2:6

Isaiah 45:24-25 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "They will say of Me, 'Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.

[SUP]25 [/SUP] "In the LORD all the offspring of Israel Will be justified and will glory."

Here is one more from the OT - Isaiah 54: 17 of the Lord telling what the believer would have because of what Christ did in Isaiah 53 when He died on the cross to take away our sin and make us righteous in Him.

Isaiah 54:17

[SUP]17 [/SUP] "No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is from Me," declares the LORD.

Folks we have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ!

Ephesians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ,

 

[DiscipleDave]

Works-based salvationists always deny the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ and base salvation on what "they do" and not on Christ Himself.

Yes those who believe Works ONLY believe that, and they are wrong. But those who believe Faith only are as equally wrong. Faith and Works go hand in hand, This is also what Scriptures plainly teach.

The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.

Can Scriptures be broken? Are Scripture incorrect? Do you believe Scriptures?

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Did Jesus Command us to Love One Another? Do you obey Him? Eternal Salvation is unto them that OBEY Jesus Christ, NOT to them that disobey Him.


Can Scriptures be broken? Are Scripture incorrect? Do you believe Scriptures?

Act_5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Who recieves the Holy Ghost according to Scriptures? Those who OBEY Jesus, and what did Jesus COMMAND us to do? Love One Another. But if you don't think works are required, why would you have a need to have good works? Why would you want to help the needy, feed the poor, clothe the naked, visit the sick, all these things are WORKS, all these thing are done by those who LOVE ONE ANOTHER, doing that which Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to do. But you continue to believe Faith ONLY is enough and that you don't need any works, and you will be weeping and gnashing your teeth wishing that you would have had more works. Because you can't LOVE ONE ANOTHER without WORKS.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

Acts 5:32 plainly teaches those who OBEY Jesus get the Helper, you seem to think the helper comes automatically. Tell me if you have the Holy Ghost, what Gift of the Holy Ghost has been given unto you? Or do you claim to have the Holy Ghost without any evidence of the Helper? Maybe, just maybe its because you don't OBEY Jesus when He commanded us to Love One Another.

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that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Joh_15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Is this True for you?

Joh_12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

What does it mean to abide in darkness, which thing we are NOT to do? Those who continue to practice works that are darkness, and do not cease from them, are they that abide in that darkness. This verse plainly teaches those who believe on Jesus SHOULD NOT abide in darkness. i also teach to not do darkness at all if you are True Believer. is this nonsense toyou as well?

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)

[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The Spirit of truth is with us forever!

Are you not assuming that seal can never be broken? When i was Saved, i was also sealed. But that is not a guarantee that i will remain that way now is it. When i was Saved my name was written in the Book of Life, yours too right? If once your name is written in the Book of Life and you are sealed. How is there verses which plainly teach a persons name can be blotted out of the Book of Life? If a persons name is blotted out, does not not plainly mean they WERE SAVED at one time? Yes it most certainly does. But those who hold on to the OSAS doctrine refuse to see this Truth, it is easier to remain blind than to have to face the TRUTH.
i will tell you the Truth. Those who have Faith and no works, will be rejected by Jesus. Those who have all works and no Faith, will also be rejected by Christ. But those who have Faith (Believe) and Works (Love One Another) will be accepted by Him.

People the time is growing short, when there will be no time left, all of you better start reading the Word of God and believing what it plainly teaches. Stop believing doctrines of men, easy christianity. If what you believe contradicts even one verse is Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG. You better start getting it right and soon.

i teach to Love One Another
i teach to stop obey satan
i teach to start obeying Jesus

Which of those things is contrary to Scriptures? i teach the TRUTH that was given to me by God, if you do not believe what i teach, then you do not believe God who told me these things. If i teach something that is contrary to Scriptures then by all means reveal the Scriptures which contradict what i teach. But i already know, what i teach does not contradict Scriptures in the slightest, but indeed contradicts what people in this generation THINKS is the TRUTH. i was born solely to teach this generation those things which God has told me. i am pleading with you, be like the Bereans, search the Scriptures to see if the things that i teach are True or not True. Don't be like those of the Last Days Generation, who will disregard what i teach, NOT because it contradicts Scriptures but because it contradicts what they think is the TRUTH. Search the Scriptures. Instead of just saying there is to much nonsense that you can't respond to things that i have said. Try using Scriptures to show anything that i have said is contrary to the Holy Word of God.

i Love you all, again. Better start studying the Word of God and learning the Truth, before it is to late.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Grace777x70]

We have to keep 2 aspects in mind when interpreting scriptures on salvation.

Salvation manifests itself here in this earth and also for going to be with the Lord because we are in Christ - sealed by the Holy Spirit when we believed as Paul said in Eph. 1:13 ; 4:30.

Start shooting heroin in your arms today and you will NOT experience salvation - that is life and wholeness on this earth for very long.

Confuse the 2 and we will come up with all kinds of works-based salvationists views - like we lose our righteousness. We don't have our "own" righteousness. Christ Himself is our righteousness.

I believe we have to differentiate between "going to heaven to be with the Lord " salvation and - "being saved from the things that can destroy us here while being on this earth."

There are different manifestations of salvation in Christ - one is going to be with the Lord - the other is concerning the things of this life on earth.

The promised land is a type of being in Christ now - it is not a type of heaven as there will be no giants to fight in heaven.

Moses did not get to rest in what God had already provided for the Israelites - but yet Moses is with God now.

The promised land is a type of living here on this earth by believing in the promises of God. Only Caleb and Joshua were the ones that got to experience the promises of God in the promised land because they believed in what God had said.

We can inherit now in this life some things that are of the kingdom of God because the kingdom of God is within us...however if we don't have our minds renewed to the truth in Christ ( which includes living by the Spirit within us ) - we can not experience the things of the kingdom that are available to us believers.

Scripture uses the same Greek word - " salvation, saved " = wholeness, preservation, keep safe, deliverance, make well - for both being saved from things in this life and for going to be with the Lord for eternity.

If we don't understand this difference we will continually be mis-applying scriptures that talk about "being saved here in this life from things" and "going to be with the Lord".

There is eternal salvation and there is manifestation of salvation from temporal things while on this earth. Confuse the two and we end up with a mixed up message of self-effort for going to heaven and only the blood of Jesus does that.

Jesus is either our Savior for going to be in heaven with Him or we are our own savior by helping Him. One is by grace through faith-righteousness - the other is works-righteousness.

Everyone is free to believe what they want and we can agree to disagree as well. Let's just rely on the Holy Spirit to reveal the things of Christ to us.

We are safe in the Lord Jesus Christ and we can trust Him to do what He has He will do and has already done for us.

We have a great salvation in Him!

 

[stonesoffire]

God means for all His Saints to be sinless

So He sent us His Saviour.

 

[JesusLives]

What a strange thing for the Word of God to teach us to do, if it is not possible to do. Scriptures teach it is possible through Jesus Christ. The world teaches it is not possible.



Harmful, How so? How is teaching stop obeying satan, start obeying ONLY God, is harmful?



So you could not get rid of the sin that so easily besets you.

Heb_12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

So since you came to the conclusion you were not going to give it up, and were tired of feeling convicted by it, you had to come up with something else to make it OK? correct? So the false teaching that tickled your ears was what you now believe correct? That you can continue to commit sin without ceasing from them and still go to Heaven? Is that the doctrine you now believe in?



Tell me, if a man beats his wife and repents of it, then again beats his wife and repents of it, and he beats his wife every night, and again he repents of it. How sorry is he for beating his wife? A person is Truly repentant, when they repent and CEASE to ever do it again, else they are not sorry for it. A person who fornicates but afterwards he repents of it, but he continues to fornicate and continues to repent, he never ceases to fornicate, but after each time he repents of it. Now Scriptures plainly teach no fornicator will enter into the Kingdom of God, is this man judged a fornicator on Judgement Day? Are you saying he is not a fornicator even though he continually fornicated?

If a person commits a sin and the TRULY repent of it, they will cease to ever do that sin again, ONLY then is forgiveness granted to that person, because as long that they continue to commit that sin, they are NOT sorry, even though they repent with their mouths, they are not sorry and it is evident they are not sorry because they continue to do the very thing they ask forgiveness for. True repentance is given for a sin, when a person repents of it and CEASES from doing it again. If a person repents of a particular sin, KNOWING full well they will continue to do it again, does not receive forgiveness, because they are not Truly sorry, they have not Truly repented of that sin.



Scriptures are CLEAR who are washed by His Blood.

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

When? When do we have fellowship with Him and He cleanseth us from all sin, When we walk in the light NOT in darkness.

All things are possible through Christ which Strengthens us. There is no sin that you do that you can't possibly cease from. If you think there is a sin that is impossible to cease from then name it here.

Narrow and difficult is the path that leads to life everlasting. If that path you think is easy and not difficult, i assure you that you are on the broad and wide path that leads to destruction.



What a strange thing for the Word of God to teach us to do, if it is not possible to do. Scriptures teach it is possible through Jesus Christ. The world teaches it is not possible. Believe Scriptures which teach it is possible. Those who are lost will remain lost. Those who try to cease from sinning through their own power and their own strength will never be able to do so, that is impossible, as you can testify to. But with the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ there is no sin so powerful that you can't overcome it, not one. There is NO sin that a person does that they can't possibly cease from if they look to Jesus for help with it.

Every single message to the 7 Churches in revelations was to the Saints that OVERCAME. this generation better start overcoming certain things in their life or their will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Thanks for pointing out that I am still lost. Very uplifting and so kind of you. Why bother...according to you even with Jesus blood and His sacrifice I am lost. Thanks think I will go slit my wrists now.

 

[JesusLives]

slip and fall, are things not done on purpose. The sins that i teach against are those that are knowingly and willingly committed. Sins that you know full well are sinful, against God, evil, wicked, darkness, and yet choose to do them anyways. They who do those things will not be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven, unless they repent and cease to do those things again. Scriptures plainly teach that all liars will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. Therefore NO liar will enter into Heaven. Therefore if you continue to lie, you will be judged a Liar, and Scriptures can't be broken. But if you repent of your lying and cease to lie any more, then you will not be judged a Liar. But as long as a person continues to lie, regardless of what they claim with their mouths, they will be judged a Liar and will not enter into Heaven, even if they are the very elect.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

It must be nice to be so perfect you don't need a Savior. My first description was Justification the second was sanctification. Yes, I slip and fall but God is with me and picks me up dusts me off and we go again. I haven't reached the perfection you seem to have reached. But I keep my eyes on Jesus and trust He will complete the work He has started in me. God be merciful to me a sinner.

 

[JesusLives]

Got a tad angry in a couple of posts so need to ask forgiveness wasn't very Christ like of me. Truly sorry - you see God isn't finished with me yet...

 

[PeterJens]

sinless that word leaves a sour taste in my mouth

Jesus talks more about love than sin, so does Paul, Peter, John etc.

My daughter is training to be a physiotherapist. One of the stories she heard of someone
out visiting a patient, was one of loss of inhibition. He went to the door and the patient
came to the door and exposed herself. The male physiotherapist withdrew and got a female
colleague to accompany him. It turned out this lady had a brain tumour which caused her
a loss of inhibition and ideas which would normally not be acted on, became displayed.

Now we are a mixture of emotions, motivations, impulses and choices.
As Jesus changes us, and builds new things into our lives much of our behaviour and outlook
comes to be conformed to His image.

So as with walking, when you learn you have stumbles, it is not the stumbling that defines you
but the walk you are on.

If you ever talk to an alcoholic, they are always an alcoholic, with a weakness to alcohol, but
the question is always how long have they been dry.

Love and sin work the same with us. Temptation is always around us, and things built into our
lives means we mainly walk as we should, but it is our choice, and we need to now our story.

Peter fell denying Jesus 3 times, yet he kept faith in Christ. Christ knew he had the heart, but
the capability was somewhat behind, but Jesus showed him love and acceptance, if he kept
the faith, and could forgive his own weakness, and walk as Jesus had called him.

 

[PeterJens]

Extreme faith only position

I believe Christ saved me, but anger is so great in my life, I murdered x and God is alright with that.

I believe Christ saved me, and have repented and sorted out who I am, and walk as Jesus walked.
I used to get angry, but now I trust in Jesus, and different things matter and I can love now those
I used to hate.

Now which of these two demonstrate a life change and action result, and which show a faith
but no effect in the persons life?

If you define sin wrongly and how Christ impacts all that we are, ie a new creation, you have
not seen the gospel.

 

[gb9]

peter, once again, we are saved by grace, through faith, for good works. the way your post describes this, then we would be saved by good works, or our ability to not sin, through faith, then you receive grace. it sounds good, it sounds religious , but your stuff is not Biblical.

 

[mailmandan]

Yes those who believe Works ONLY believe that, and they are wrong. But those who believe Faith only are as equally wrong. Faith and Works go hand in hand, This is also what Scriptures plainly teach.

Faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. That's how faith and works go together. We are saved apart from the merit of works, not apart from the presence of works, which would demonstrate an empty profession of faith/dead faith (James 2:14-18).

Can Scriptures be broken? Are Scripture incorrect? Do you believe Scriptures?

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Did Jesus Command us to Love One Another? Do you obey Him? Eternal Salvation is unto them that OBEY Jesus Christ, NOT to them that disobey Him.

Seeking salvation by works is not obeying Him. So who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I've heard many works salvationists use this verse to try and support "salvation by works." Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by practicing righteousness and not sin (1 John 3:9,10). In either sense, only believers obey Him.

Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers practice sin and not righteousness (1 John 3:8,10) and unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so-called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation based on their works. So in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.

Act_5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Who recieves the Holy Ghost according to Scriptures? Those who OBEY Jesus, and what did Jesus COMMAND us to do?

What act of obedience causes us to receive the Holy Spirit? Choosing to believe the gospel. Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation - having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Multiple acts of obedience which follow are works and we are saved through faith, not works.

Love One Another. But if you don't think works are required, why would you have a need to have good works? Why would you want to help the needy, feed the poor, clothe the naked, visit the sick, all these things are WORKS, all these thing are done by those who LOVE ONE ANOTHER, doing that which Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to do. But you continue to believe Faith ONLY is enough and that you don't need any works, and you will be weeping and gnashing your teeth wishing that you would have had more works. Because you can't LOVE ONE ANOTHER without WORKS.

Believers love one another BECAUSE they have received the Holy Spirit and are saved, not in order to receive the Holy Spirit and become saved. You are putting the cart before the horse. Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. We are saved through faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE and not by what James refers to as "faith only" - empty profession of faith that claims to be genuine, but demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead (James 2:14-17). Not to be confused with faith that trusts only in Christ for salvation, is alive in Christ and produces good works (Ephesians 2:5-10).

 

[JesusLives]

Even Paul admits the fight is real....

Romans 7:15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do.

 

[Blain]

If the word leaves a sour taste in your mouth then that must be were it originates from.

So is Jesus sinless or is he a sinner like everyone else? Just because one doesn't sin doesn't mean they don't make errors or have some personal faults.



Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2 Cor 13:5

no I explained why the word sinless leaves a sour taste in my mouth, the whole sinless doctrine made me think i was going to hell and I tried to kill myself thinking i could never measure up and I am not the only one this sinless doctrine has done damage to either.

 

[Grace777x70]

no I explained why the word sinless leaves a sour taste in my mouth, the whole sinless doctrine made me think i was going to hell and I tried to kill myself thinking i could never measure up and I am not the only one this sinless doctrine has done damage to either.

All works-based salvation mindsets are behind this "sinless perfection in the flesh" doctrine. This is why they create "things we have to do" to maintain salvation and righteousness in order to be with the Lord in heaven. The gospel of the grace of Christ speaks of better things. The blood of Jesus speaks of better things.

A revelation of the love of God is needed for these types in order to get out of this works-based mindset that nullifies the grace of God in our lives from operating like it should.

 

[Blain]

The scriptures say if we claim to be without sin the truth is not in us, now you can preach the sinless doctrine and claim that through Christ we can live sinless lives but it's hard to strike a sword against a stone because a sword cannot cut a stone. Your doctrine which almost cost me my life is a sword that took a lot of healing to recover from but the rock upon which i stand says that anyone claiming to be without sin is a liar.

And honestly it infuriates me that people still go around preaching such a thing and telling others they are not saved and believe me it takes a whole lot to make me angry it's one thing when you do something to me but when you mess with God's children then in then kindest way possible kindly BACK OFF.

I have been through the pain and suffering of your sinless doctrine and I will not stand by and let others have to go through that, say and do what you want to me but leave all his other children out of it

 

[gb9]

The scriptures say if we claim to be without sin the truth is not in us, now you can preach the sinless doctrine and claim that through Christ we can live sinless lives but it's hard to strike a sword against a stone because a sword cannot cut a stone. Your doctrine which almost cost me my life is a sword that took a lot of healing to recover from but the rock upon which i stand says that anyone claiming to be without sin is a liar.

And honestly it infuriates me that people still go around preaching such a thing and telling others they are not saved and believe me it takes a whole lot to make me angry it's one thing when you do something to me but when you mess with God's children then in then kindest way possible kindly BACK OFF.

I have been through the pain and suffering of your sinless doctrine and I will not stand by and let others have to go through that, say and do what you want to me but leave all his other children out of it

yea, dude, I am right with you, 100%. anything that pushes people away from Christ just makes my blood boil.

 

[tourist]

Now does God leave us in our sins... No, He sends His Holy Spirit to live in us and teach us the way so that when we slip and fall we ask for forgiveness and keep walking with God learning to turn away from sin. It is the work of a lifetime living with God's Spirit showing us the way.

PS don't think we ever arrive until we get through the pearly gates and this earth is done. This is the sanctification process.

slip and fall, are things not done on purpose. The sins that i teach against are those that are knowingly and willingly committed. Sins that you know full well are sinful, against God, evil, wicked, darkness, and yet choose to do them anyways. They who do those things will not be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven, unless they repent and cease to do those things again. Scriptures plainly teach that all liars will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. Therefore NO liar will enter into Heaven. Therefore if you continue to lie, you will be judged a Liar, and Scriptures can't be broken. But if you repent of your lying and cease to lie any more, then you will not be judged a Liar. But as long as a person continues to lie, regardless of what they claim with their mouths, they will be judged a Liar and will not enter into Heaven, even if they are the very elect.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

This woman is the finest person that I know and is very much a humble servant of the Lord. Repentance is done when you contritely confess your past sinful life to Jesus, invite Him to live in your heart and to strengthen and guide you from that point on in your spiritual life journey. We all slip and fall at times but God is compassionate and merciful and will certainly forgive us. Our heavenly father doesn't keep score. His son's blood is either sufficient for the remission of sin or its not. It is a sad thing to live in fear.

 

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Interesting word sinless. Sin less?

Yes, that seems reasonable as we grow in spiritual maturity. Eventually we will sin no more. I haven't met anyone yet that has quit sinning cold turkey. We will all stumble at times in our walk with the Lord. At those times He will pick us up and brush us off. He washes our feet as we begin each day in our humble service doing the work that His father has prepared for us beforehand.