God means for all His Saints to be sinless

[JesusLives]

Amen, to teach us how, (Through His Power and Strength) we can actually accomplish that task? Difficult, Yes? Narrow and Difficult is the way that leads to life ever lasting.

Jesus our Savior and Lord gave up His life for you to live. We in a like manner should be willing to give up our lives for Him. Are you willing to give up your LIFE for Him? All of you say Yes, but are not willing to give up the sin that so easily besets you. You say you are willing to give up your life, but not sinning.
Those who have Truly given their life up for Jesus Christ, ONLY do those things that please Jesus, not please self.

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DiscipleDave

I am curious, and being sincere also when I ask you.

Are you living a perfect life everyday and you can say you never sin, slip up or make mistakes?

You listen to God's voice and obey every single time without hesitation no matter the cost to yourself?

You can honestly say I never sin anymore since I started my walk with Jesus?

You made quite a few assumptions about my posts when in reality I was explaining how trying to be perfect on my own in my understanding that I had at the time was killing me and my relationship with God and that it was God Himself who explained salvation to me.

Fact is my life has changed in many ways since I have been walking with Jesus/God/Holy Spirit. But I cannot say that I am a perfect human being on my own - the only way God can see me as perfect is through His Son Jesus who did come and live the perfect life I have been unable to live and now that I know Him we walk together with the Holy Spirit showing me the way prompting me to make changes which have not come overnight but I continue to walk with Him allowing Him to correct me and help me improve. Jesus blood is sufficient to cover my past, present and future sins even though I am not plotting a sinful course my heart and desire is to please God not hurt Him. But I still fall not wanting to but it happens...

Paul said he had problems doing what he didn't want to do and not doing what he should do.

Please answer my questions as I would really like to know your input on these questions. Thanks.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Yes those who believe Works ONLY believe that, and they are wrong. But those who believe Faith only are as equally wrong. Faith and Works go hand in hand, This is also what Scriptures plainly teach.

[/SIZE][/B]Faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. That's how faith and works go together. We are saved apart from the merit of works, not apart from the presence of works, which would demonstrate an empty profession of faith/dead faith (James 2:14-18).

You say Faith and Works go together. i say the same thing, so we are in agreement.


DiscipleDave said

Can Scriptures be broken? Are Scripture incorrect? Do you believe Scriptures?

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Did Jesus Command us to Love One Another? Do you obey Him? Eternal Salvation is unto them that OBEY Jesus Christ, NOT to them that disobey Him.

Seeking salvation by works is not obeying Him.

Is that what you read in all that i have said, that i am saying SEEKING Salvation by works. Seriously that is what you have thought and read? i have never even once or even implied that seeking Salvation by works is acceptable. YOU are putting words into my mouth that i have never said or even implied. i forgive you.

So who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I've heard many works salvationists use this verse to try and support "salvation by works." Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by practicing righteousness and not sin (1 John 3:9,10). In either sense, only believers obey Him.

Never said otherwise.

Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers practice sin and not righteousness (1 John 3:8,10) and unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so-called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation based on their works. So in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.

Never said otherwise.


DiscipleDave said

Act_5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Who recieves the Holy Ghost according to Scriptures? Those who OBEY Jesus, and what did Jesus COMMAND us to do?

What act of obedience causes us to receive the Holy Spirit? Choosing to believe the gospel. Ephesians 1:13 -

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation - having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Multiple acts of obedience which follow are works and we are saved through faith, not works.

All that you say here does NOT negate or make void what the verse actually says. The Holy Ghost is given to those who obey Jesus. This verse does not need interpretation. What it says is what it means. PERIOD. You ask "
What act of obedience causes us to receive the Holy Spirit?" Well the verse PLAINLY says OBEY JESUS, But what do you say "Believing only is enough" That believing is the act of obedience, altogether CHANGING the verse to mean something other than what it says, namely to "OBEY JESUS" To answer that question you ask "What act of obedience causes us to receive the Holy Spirit?" Well the Verse Plainly says "Obey Jesus" Therefore the answer to that question is NOT what you say, but what the verse actually says, to OBEY JESUS and what He tells us to do.
The verse plainly teaches those who receive the Holy Ghost obey Jesus. Now we see first hand how a person can use their own interpretation to CHANGE what the verse actually says to fit into the belief of another.

DiscipleDave said

Love One Another. But if you don't think works are required, why would you have a need to have good works? Why would you want to help the needy, feed the poor, clothe the naked, visit the sick, all these things are WORKS, all these thing are done by those who LOVE ONE ANOTHER, doing that which Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to do. But you continue to believe Faith ONLY is enough and that you don't need any works, and you will be weeping and gnashing your teeth wishing that you would have had more works. Because you can't LOVE ONE ANOTHER without WORKS.

Believers love one another BECAUSE they have received the Holy Spirit and are saved, not in order to receive the Holy Spirit and become saved.

This is True, the problem here is, you think i have said otherwise.

You are putting the cart before the horse.

And since i believe as you do, please tell me where i have done this? you will not, because i have not done that. Clearly you have misunderstood something that i have said, and thought i have done that, please reread what i have said, then apologize for falsely accusing me of doing this.

Romans 5:5 -

Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. We are saved through faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE and not by what James refers to as "faith only" - empty profession of faith that claims to be genuine, but demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead (James 2:14-17). Not to be confused with faith that trusts only in Christ for salvation, is alive in Christ and produces good works (Ephesians 2:5-10).

And you think i have said otherwise?

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Even Paul admits the fight is real....

Romans 7:15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do.

If you read the whole chapter in context, he was describing his religious life as a Pharisee. At the very end he says who can help me, (about what he just got done describing) i thank Jesus Christ that He can help me in that miserable situation. This generation though uses the false doctrine that teaches Romans chapter 7 is a description of how a Christian SHOULD be. They do error not knowing nor understanding the Truth.

my body serves sin, it desires to sin, it loves to sin, it wants to sin. But my mind serves God. Tell me, Does the mind control the flesh? If then your mind agrees to fornicate because the flesh desires to sin, how has your mind served God?
my flesh serves sin, my mind serves God. Therefore i do not obey the desires of the wicked, sinful, evil, flesh that i have.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

The scriptures say if we claim to be without sin the truth is not in us, now you can preach the sinless doctrine and claim that through Christ we can live sinless lives but it's hard to strike a sword against a stone because a sword cannot cut a stone. Your doctrine which almost cost me my life is a sword that took a lot of healing to recover from but the rock upon which i stand says that anyone claiming to be without sin is a liar.

If i never commit another sin again, ever. Can i claim i HAVE no sin? You do error not understand the context of the message. Those who think they don't sin at all, or do anything wrong ever, is who that verse is referring to. Even though i no longer knowingly or willingly commit sin, does not mean i have never sinned. i have sinned plenty, probably more than everyone on this board. But just because i no longer knowingly and willingly commit sin, does not mean i HAVE no sin. Anyone who says they HAVE no sin, even though they no longer continue to live in sin, is still a liar, because they Have sinned.

You say "Your doctrine which almost cost me my life" Now this i have got to hear the answer for. How does a doctrine to stop obeying satan almost cost you your life? Please tell.

You say "the rock upon which i stand says that anyone claiming to be without sin is a liar."

That is good, Anyone who claims they HAVE no sin, is indeed a liar. The problem here though is YOUR interpretation of that verse, you seem to think it means that if "Anyone claims they no longer continue to sin, that they are also a liar" In that you do error, not knowing the Truth nor understanding that Scripture. The verse does NOT say what you are saying it means. i am claiming i have sinned much, i am claiming that i no longer knowingly and willingly commit sin, that i do all things to please Jesus Christ my Savior and Lord, and Master to whom i obey always. Because i say i no longer continue to willingly sin, am i a liar? i plainly admit i HAVE sinned much. How is saying that i no longer continue to live in sin is saying that i HAVE never sinned? it doesn't. You do error not understanding this verse.

And honestly it infuriates me that people still go around preaching such a thing and telling others they are not saved and believe me it takes a whole lot to make me angry it's one thing when you do something to me but when you mess with God's children then in then kindest way possible kindly BACK OFF.

How is telling people to stop obeying satan, is evil? How is telling people to stop sinning evil? You do not know the Truth, nor what Scriptures teach. Please explain the following Scriptures, i personally don't think you will because you will refuse to believe what that Scriptures teach.

Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
Joh 5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
Joh 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
Joh 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. :10 .. . . ... 11. .. .... .. . 12 .... .. .. . ..13 ... .. . . . .:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Jesus Himself plainly taught to "Go and sin no more" Does He infuriate you also? i mean if i teach to stop obeying satan, and this infuriates you, why would you not be infuriated at Jesus for teaching the same thing?

Does Paul infuriate you also, he said the same thing:

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

He also said this:

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

If then i teach that also, does that infuriate you? That i teach nothing more than what Jesus and His Apostles teach. Jesus and most of the Apostles were all KILLED because what they taught infuriated the people of that generation. Jesus said marvel not if the world hates you. The world loves sinning. Anyone, and i mean ANYONE who teaches against sinning is going to make people upset, ESPECIALLY Christians which think they can continue to obey satan (sinning) and still think they are Heaven bound. Those who commit sin is of the devil.

1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

He that committeth sin is of the devil, This is True and is a FACT, and is Scriptural, not only this verse but other verses as well. Jesus Christ in my life has destroyed the works of the devil. Because of Jesus being my Power and Strength against satan, He (in me) destroys all of satan's works. But know this last days generation. Any sin that you knowingly and willingly commit has NOT been destroyed by Jesus, you did not let Him destroy it, you freely choose to commit that sin, instead of looking to Jesus to destroy it away from you.

I have been through the pain and suffering of your sinless doctrine and I will not stand by and let others have to go through that, say and do what you want to me but leave all his other children out of it

Is it not written:

Act_14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

We are warned we will go through much tribulation. And:

Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And:

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Tribulation, Pain, and very difficult is what Scriptures plainly teach. Whoever told you it is easy, is a liar. Whoever told you that you would not suffer is a liar.

Rom_8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Who told you that we would not suffer, we would not have tribulations, we would not have pain, we would not be persecuted, we would not be hated, that it would not be difficult to get to Heaven? Who told you these things which is contrary to scriptures?

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by Blain

The scriptures say if we claim to be without sin the truth is not in us, now you can preach the sinless doctrine and claim that through Christ we can live sinless lives but it's hard to strike a sword against a stone because a sword cannot cut a stone. Your doctrine which almost cost me my life is a sword that took a lot of healing to recover from but the rock upon which i stand says that anyone claiming to be without sin is a liar.

And honestly it infuriates me that people still go around preaching such a thing and telling others they are not saved and believe me it takes a whole lot to make me angry it's one thing when you do something to me but when you mess with God's children then in then kindest way possible kindly BACK OFF.

I have been through the pain and suffering of your sinless doctrine and I will not stand by and let others have to go through that, say and do what you want to me but leave all his other children out of it

yea, dude, I am right with you, 100%. anything that pushes people away from Christ just makes my blood boil.

i also 100% agree that anything that pushes people away from Christ is not good.

But how is teaching people to stop obeying satan and obey Jesus Christ, pushing people away from Jesus Christ? Please answer.

How is telling people to STOP obeying satan, pushing people away from Christ. It is Jesus Christ's Power and Strength that one is able to STOP obeying satan. So because i teach ONLY obey Jesus Christ, i am pushing people away from Jesus Christ, please explain?

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

This woman is the finest person that I know and is very much a humble servant of the Lord. Repentance is done when you contritely confess your past sinful life to Jesus, invite Him to live in your heart and to strengthen and guide you from that point on in your spiritual life journey.

Forgiveness is only Granted to those with a True repentant heart.

A man comes home and beats his wife, afterwards he repents of it to God. Again the next night He comes home and beats his wife and again repents of it. This he does EVERY night, beats his wife, then asks God to forgive him.

Now a man beats his wife and he feels terrible for doing so and he repents to God and ceases to ever do it again. Tell me which of the two has a TRUE repentant heart?

The latter even though he is a wife beater, is no longer a wife beater because he repented, and because of his heart - is forgiven, and on Judgement Day he is not deemed a wife beater.
But the first, is a wife beater, and on Judgement Day will be judged as a wife beater and rejected from entering into Heaven, despite the fact he repented a million times for that same sin, because he did not cease to beat his wife.

True Repentance is given to those who are Truly sorry for what they have done. Those who ask for forgiveness of a particular sin that they know full well they will continue to do it again, will NOT receive forgiveness, because their heart is not right in God.

We all slip and fall at times but God is compassionate and merciful and will certainly forgive us. Our heavenly father doesn't keep score. His son's blood is either sufficient for the remission of sin or its not. It is a sad thing to live in fear.

Oh my, where to even start?

God does keep good records. When it is said in Scriptures the Book(s) are opened it is referring to the Book of Records. Every idle word is being recorded, every single thought is as if you actually done it. Jesus made that clear about adultery to even think about it, is to commit it.
You say a sad thing to live in fear. When it is written over and over again that the fear of God is the beginning of knowledge. Who fears God in this generation. NO not one. Everyone in this generation chooses to only look at the side of the coin of God that is LOVE, not the said that is Wrath, Judgement, and Punishment. It is written do evil you will be repaid for the evil that you have done. i fear God daily. When satan comes to tempt me to commit sin, i fear the punishment i will get from my Loving Father if i choose to disobey Him, and choose to obey His enemy the devil and commit that sin, you reap what you sow as it is written. i walk the walk that i do, because i fear my Father who does not bare the rod in vain. i am His child, i do wrong, He will and does punish me. What child that He loves will He not punish? No not this generation this generation only looks to the one side of the Coin of God, altogether ignoring or making void the other side of the coin.

You say it is a sad thing to live in fear. For me it is that very fear that keeps me from obeying the devil when i am tempted to sin.
Over 120 verses which teach to "Fear the Lord" leave it to this generation to teach "Don't Fear"

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

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Did God tell you that Moses is with God right now? Or is this yet another one of your interpretations, what you believe is the TRUTH based on your own or other mens doctrines? If from Scriptures then reveal the Scripture which teaches that.

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DiscipleDave
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Well....Jesus did meet with Moses and Elijah on the mount. Do you think God brought him up from hell to talk with him? Perhaps God brought Elijah from being with Him because God did take him but then He brought Moses from hell so that the both of them could talk with Jesus on the mount? I firmly believe that Moses is with God but you can believe whatever you want....

They were not brought up from Hell, nor did they descend from Heaven. They were awaken from their sleep to encourage the Lord. They will rise from their sleep again, when Jesus arrives to the Earth in the New City Jerusalem.

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DiscipleDave

 

[gb9]

i also 100% agree that anything that pushes people away from Christ is not good.

But how is teaching people to stop obeying satan and obey Jesus Christ, pushing people away from Jesus Christ? Please answer.

How is telling people to STOP obeying satan, pushing people away from Christ. It is Jesus Christ's Power and Strength that one is able to STOP obeying satan. So because i teach ONLY obey Jesus Christ, i am pushing people away from Jesus Christ, please explain?

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DiscipleDave

dave, you do understand that you, me everyone else, has a sin nature. accepting Christ does not mean that we no longer have a flesh. Paul said that we are to crucify the flesh. crucifiction does not result in an instant death, it is a slow, painful death. so while we should be getting more Christlike, and less " fleshie " that does NOT mean that a believer never sins.

 

[DiscipleDave]

You are basing your salvation and righteousness on what YOU do or don't do. That is anti-Christ in it's belief system which is why so many refute this works-based religion.

Salvation is based on what the Word of God teaches. Has nothing to do with what i do or don't do, or what i think or don't think. Salvation is what the Word of God teaches.

Jesus over and over again, taught if you Love Me, you will keep my commandments. He said if you love Me, you will do what I say, and many such things our Lord taught. Jesus plainly taught to Love One Another. So it is most definitely about what YOU DO? You either Love One Another or you don't, it is that simple.

Jesus commanded us to Love One Another. You either obey Him or you don't. PERIOD.
If you love Jesus you will do as He commanded, which is to Love One Another.
according to the Word of God Salvation and Righteousness is based on what you DO. First and foremost what you must DO is to believe in Him. And the second thing you MUST DO, is to Love One another.

1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed (Works) and in truth.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. :23 And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ (FAITH), AND 2) love one another (Works), as he gave us commandment. :24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him (SAVED). And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Is faith enough? Is Jesus really a liar? I don't believe that He is myself so I believe what He says.

Jesus never said Faith is enough. Jesus and all of Scriptures plainly teach
Faith + Works = Salvation
Believing + Loving one another = Salvation
Faith + 0 = dead
0 + Works = dead

John 1:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

This is talking about the Faith part in this equation (Faith + Works = Salvation)

John 3:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is talking about the Faith part in this equation (Faith + Works = Salvation)

John 6:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

This is talking about the Faith part in this equation (Faith + Works = Salvation)

Acts 8:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

This is talking about the Faith part in this equation (Faith + Works = Salvation)

Acts 15:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

This is talking about the Faith part in this equation (Faith + Works = Salvation)

Acts 16:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

[SUP]31 [/SUP] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

This is talking about the Faith part in this equation (Faith + Works = Salvation)

I could go on and on but that is enough.

All those verses are True, and it is all about the Faith part of the equation Faith + Works = Salvation. Now list all the verses which teach us about Works with that Faith. If you need me to show you all the verses which teach us to do good, to feed the hungry, give to the poor, Love One another, and all the other Works that we are commanded to do now that we are Saved, i can most certain give you a lot. All the verses you gave is for the Faith part of the equation. You are teaching Faith ONLY salvation are you not? you mention no need of works at all correct? In all the verses you give above for salvation, they all ONLY concerned the verses which speak of FAITH and not one of them about works. This also is what Faith based religion only teaches too.
Again here is the TRUTH and Scriptures proves it. Faith + Works = Salvation.
Why do you call Him "Lord" and not DO the things which He commands? The DOing is the Works. You call Him "Lord" because you BELIEVE (Faith) He is the Lord, But where is the Works the DOing what He says? Faith only, Belieiving by itself is NOT ENOUGH according to Scriptures. You can believe Jesus Christ is the Lord and call Him Lord, and accept Him into your life, but if you do not DO (works) what He says, you will be rejected by Him, saying to you " I do not know you, those who practice sin" {by the way to practice something is to do it over and over and over and over and over again}

All works-based religions deny the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ and replace Him for what "they must do" in order to receive salvation and righteousness. This only comes by grace through faith in Christ's work for us on the cross and resurrection.

This is also a True Same statement:

All faith-based religions deny the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ and replace Him for what "they must believe" in order to receive salvation and righteousness. This only comes by grace through faith in Christ's work for us on the cross and resurrection.

i am not teaching nor have i ever implied a works based religion, as you seem to think i have done this somewhere, if so, show it. i also in a like manner not teaching faith based religion either, as you seem to be teaching adamantly, that believing is enough. What i do teach and is confirmed in Scriptures, is you MUST believe in Jesus AND DO what He says. That is what i teach. i do not teach works based religion at all, it is evil. Likewise faith based religion is equally as evil because it does not have works with it.

I believe enough has been said for people to know that it is by Christ alone that we stand.

It is by Christ alone that we stand, who has said otherwise? The problem is you think believing in Him is enough. When Scriptures teach it is believing in Him AND obeying Him. But only through Jesus Christ alone.

When we are fed the proper nutrient of Christ's love and grace for us - we will have His life manifested in us outwardly to live godly lives.

It is written if you Love Him, you will do what He says. If then you claim to Love Him, YOU WILL be Loving One Another, which is works.
A person who does not feed a person who is hungry. i don't care if that person believes in Jesus Christ or not, Jesus does not dwell in that person because that person FAILED to do what Jesus commanded to do. LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Many call Him LORD, but do not have the works that prove the Lord Jesus is in them, and how can you tell who Jesus Lives in, you will know them by their works. Those who Believe in Jesus and Love one Another are Saved. Those who have tons of good works but don't believe, are dead. And Yes those who believe in Jesus, but have no works, these too are DEAD. If Jesus were truly in a person, that person would have compassion for any person who is in need, and they would help, they would give to charities, they would feed the hungry, they would cloth the naked. NOT so that they can become Saved, they do those things because they are Saved, they do those things because LOVE lives inside of them. Woe to this generation which think and believe that believing is enough, it is not enough, there is more to it. That is merely the first step to Salvation.

My hope is built on nothing less then Jesus blood and righteousness.

mine too, my friend, mine too.

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DiscipleDave

 

[Blain]

i also 100% agree that anything that pushes people away from Christ is not good.

But how is teaching people to stop obeying satan and obey Jesus Christ, pushing people away from Jesus Christ? Please answer.

How is telling people to STOP obeying satan, pushing people away from Christ. It is Jesus Christ's Power and Strength that one is able to STOP obeying satan. So because i teach ONLY obey Jesus Christ, i am pushing people away from Jesus Christ, please explain?

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DiscipleDave

I think you and I both know this isn't about about obeying jesus and not satan it's about how you preach the sinless doctrine.
Only one man was able to live a life completely without sin and that was Jesus, now teaching to not live in sin and teaching to obey God is good but when you preach sinlessness and when other feel inadequate because they cannot live up to the sinless doctrine standards whose spirit do you think is at work here?

 

[DiscipleDave]

Obeying Christ is believing in what He has done. In this believing - He will supply thr life and grace needed to walk out His love that is in us.

Please explain this verse to me.

Joh_13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

How serious is a COMMANDMENT? Is it something that we should do? or try to do? Where in all of Scriptures does Jesus specifically COMMANDs us to do something?

You say that obeying Christ is merely to believe in what He has done. But where is doing what He says? Where is the obeying what He commands? Don't you see, you believe in a Faith based religion. Faith only. You seem to think that believing in what He has done, is meaning to obey Him. Even children can understand what it means to obey Jesus, ask them, and they will tell you the TRUTH, they will say "it means to obey what He said, to do what He says" Notice how you have altogether CHANGED "Obey Him" to means something that fits into your own way of thinking what the TRUTH is. Here is the Truth "Obey Him" means to OBEY HIM. Do what He says.

If i were to use your logic of obeying him. Then i could say "Children obey your parents, that means just believe in what they have done for you" Don't you see you have altogether CHANGED what it means for them to obey their parent by coming up with that nonsense that obeying Him is to believe in what He has done.

People, please listen to me. Interpretation do not belong to men, they belong to God only. God will reveal to whom He will reveal. People interpreting the Word of God do so to fit into their own bias opinions, their own thoughts of what the TRUTH is.

Something God told me to fight against all false doctrines is this:

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG.

If people of this generation would only believe what God told me here. They would be forced to get rid of the false doctrines that they hold on to. For example the belief of OSAS. There are plain verses which contradicts that doctrine. namely you can be blotted out of the Book of Life. Therefore that belief is in error. Why? Because that belief has verses that contradict it. Faith + Works = Salvation. There is not one solitary verse that contradicts that teaching. Why? Because it is the TRUTH. You must Believe in Jesus and DO what Jesus says. PERIOD.

This generation better wake up from their sleeping and start believing the Word of God and what it plainly teaches.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. :23 And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ (Faith), and 2) love one another (Works), as he gave us commandment. :24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

This generation better start understanding these verses before it is too late for them to do so.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[jenniferand2]

What a strange thing for the Word of God to teach us to do, if it is not possible to do. Scriptures teach it is possible through Jesus Christ. The world teaches it is not possible.



Harmful, How so? How is teaching stop obeying satan, start obeying ONLY God, is harmful?



So you could not get rid of the sin that so easily besets you.

Heb_12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

So since you came to the conclusion you were not going to give it up, and were tired of feeling convicted by it, you had to come up with something else to make it OK? correct? So the false teaching that tickled your ears was what you now believe correct? That you can continue to commit sin without ceasing from them and still go to Heaven? Is that the doctrine you now believe in?



Tell me, if a man beats his wife and repents of it, then again beats his wife and repents of it, and he beats his wife every night, and again he repents of it. How sorry is he for beating his wife? A person is Truly repentant, when they repent and CEASE to ever do it again, else they are not sorry for it. A person who fornicates but afterwards he repents of it, but he continues to fornicate and continues to repent, he never ceases to fornicate, but after each time he repents of it. Now Scriptures plainly teach no fornicator will enter into the Kingdom of God, is this man judged a fornicator on Judgement Day? Are you saying he is not a fornicator even though he continually fornicated?

If a person commits a sin and the TRULY repent of it, they will cease to ever do that sin again, ONLY then is forgiveness granted to that person, because as long that they continue to commit that sin, they are NOT sorry, even though they repent with their mouths, they are not sorry and it is evident they are not sorry because they continue to do the very thing they ask forgiveness for. True repentance is given for a sin, when a person repents of it and CEASES from doing it again. If a person repents of a particular sin, KNOWING full well they will continue to do it again, does not receive forgiveness, because they are not Truly sorry, they have not Truly repented of that sin.



Scriptures are CLEAR who are washed by His Blood.

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

When? When do we have fellowship with Him and He cleanseth us from all sin, When we walk in the light NOT in darkness.

All things are possible through Christ which Strengthens us. There is no sin that you do that you can't possibly cease from. If you think there is a sin that is impossible to cease from then name it here.

Narrow and difficult is the path that leads to life everlasting. If that path you think is easy and not difficult, i assure you that you are on the broad and wide path that leads to destruction.



What a strange thing for the Word of God to teach us to do, if it is not possible to do. Scriptures teach it is possible through Jesus Christ. The world teaches it is not possible. Believe Scriptures which teach it is possible. Those who are lost will remain lost. Those who try to cease from sinning through their own power and their own strength will never be able to do so, that is impossible, as you can testify to. But with the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ there is no sin so powerful that you can't overcome it, not one. There is NO sin that a person does that they can't possibly cease from if they look to Jesus for help with it.

Every single message to the 7 Churches in revelations was to the Saints that OVERCAME. this generation better start overcoming certain things in their life or their will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

1 John Chapter 1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Hebrews 10:26 - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.



19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
Galatians 6:7 - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

These are the words of God about sin and repentance

 

[DiscipleDave]

I am curious, and being sincere also when I ask you.

Are you living a perfect life everyday and you can say you never sin, slip up or make mistakes?

i do not knowingly or willingly do anything that will upset or disappoint my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. i do all things to please Him. My life is no longer mine, my life belongs to Him. i am His slave. i don't do anything to upset Him or cause Him disappointment.

You listen to God's voice and obey every single time without hesitation no matter the cost to yourself?

What cost to myself. i am bought with a price. i do not own myself. i belong to Him and to Him only. As to hearing His voice. Starting to cry now. He has not spoken to me since 1994. crying now. be back in a minute.
Ok. The things i teach you now, are the very things that i refused to believe back then. i was not willing to give up sinning. i ran from God, did not want anything to do with Him, went to the bar every night after work, fornicated a lot, slept with married women, watched porn, etc. etc. etc... stopped praying. Two years later God sent an angel to get me back into the Light. The angel told me "You are a sheep in wolves clothing, it is time to take off the wolves clothing" then he left. So i got back into trying to walk in the light. if i was going to give up sinning, i wasn't going to do it all at once. So after 16 years of smoking a pack a day, i quit. After that, i gave up cursing, after that fornication, after that filthy talk (dirty jokes and such) after that sex, after that porn. So i don't lie, cheat, steal, hate, or anything that i think would upset Him. i am walking in the light today, who knows what tomorrow will hold, it is my hope that tomorrow i will still be in the light. But over time all things get easier. What i mean is when i first quit smoking satan would relentlessly attack me to start up again. But now, he doesn't bother with me concerning smoking because he knows i will never do it again. Sex is the same way. when i gave it up 10 years ago, that is when satan came at me with all his power, throwing women at my feet to get me to fall. But now, he rarely messes with me. Because i welcome his temptations. i know full well if satan comes and tempts me to commit sin, and i do not do it. that God will Bless me for that. So then the more satan tempts me and i do not fail, the more Blessing i get from God. so satan now realizes he will never get me with sex again. Oh every once in a great while he will come and tempt me, but all he does is gives me another blessing from God. So then it is easier to walk the walk i am walking now, because satan knows with Jesus in me, i am unmovable. i will die before i give satan the satisfaction of obeying him. Jesus is my Master, Savior and Lord. satan is His enemy. i will NOT obey my Master's enemy, will not. So then my point is, it is only at the first that it is difficult to cease from a particular sin, but after satan realizes that he can't tempt you with that sin, he will cease (not altogether) from tempting you to commit that sin. So that is why i say it gets easier and easier.
i will never have a sexual relationship again, ever, until Christ comes, or i die, or am killed. and i am 100% fine with it.

You can honestly say I never sin anymore since I started my walk with Jesus?

Heavens NO, i can't say that at all. i can't remember a time that i did not believe in Jesus Christ. my Mom was called to be a Nun, she met my Dad, and did not do what she was called to do. She felt so much conviction because of that, that she prayed to God that she would dedicate her first born son to the Lord. She was reading the Bible to me when i was in the womb. Bible stories is what i was read to sleep with. Anyways i knew Jesus, well i can't remember a time that i didn't. No i have sinned much. i have sinned plenty. i have been with over 50 women, 5 of them were married. i have done many sins, as i have said before probably more than everyone added together on these boards. As Paul once said "I am chief"

But after i ran, and even now to this day, He has not spoken to me since 1994. Crying again, hold on. i ll be back

Ok i'm better now. Anyways. i can't say i have not sinned since i got Saved. But i can say, that i no longer continue to live in sin. That is to say i no longer knowingly or willingly do anything that is sinful. When i am tempted to commit sin, i look to Jesus my Savior for help. The Word says with every temptation Jesus allows a path out of it, therefore one must look for that path in order to find that path out of it. For me, it was going immediately into prayer, or start reading the Bible. Do you know how much i have read the Bible. over 85 times front to back. i have found a pearl of Truth when i was a kid in church. it was less likely for me to sin in Church then out of Church, therefore the more i immersed myself in the Word of God the less satan had an opportunity to tempt me to commit sin. If i don't go to the bar, he can't tempt me to drink there.
There are many, many things that i did and still do to prevent myself from obeying satan. i think the biggest deterrent from me committing sin was that knowing that if i didn't do it. that God is going to Bless me, He is Faithful and He teaches He will. So then i would much rather receive a Blessing from him, then to experience His punishment.

You made quite a few assumptions about my posts when in reality I was explaining how trying to be perfect on my own in my understanding that I had at the time was killing me and my relationship with God and that it was God Himself who explained salvation to me.

i am sorry if i made an inaccurate assumption. i try to respond without any assumptions at all, but respond to what is said. Again if i have made an inaccurate assumption, i am sorry.

Fact is my life has changed in many ways since I have been walking with Jesus/God/Holy Spirit. But I cannot say that I am a perfect human being on my own - the only way God can see me as perfect is through His Son Jesus

The Father does not see us at all. The Son is the only one who can stand in the presence of the Father. The Son reveals to the Father our petitions. We are all here on this planet to be tested to find out what is Truly in our hearts. If you wake up in the morning and think to yourself "What can i do for me today?" i would question who is in your heart. But if you wake up in the morning and think to yourself "What can i do for others today?" Then it is Christ in your heart.
i can't stress it enough. Start Loving One Another today.

the only way God can see me as perfect is through His Son Jesus who did come and live the perfect life I have been unable to live and now that I know Him we walk together with the Holy Spirit showing me the way prompting me to make changes which have not come overnight but I continue to walk with Him allowing Him to correct me and help me improve. Jesus blood is sufficient to cover my past, present and future sins even though I am not plotting a sinful course my heart and desire is to please God not hurt Him. But I still fall not wanting to but it happens...

This is what is written concerning the past, present and future sins.

Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

That are Past. This generation would do well to study the Word of God. Christ only paid for your sins ONCE. He was sacrificed for you only ONCE. He does not continually go to the cross and be sacrificed every time you commit a sin and ask for forgiveness.

Here is how it works and this generation will absolutely refuse to believe the TRUTH of it, yet it does not contradict even one verse in Scriptures.

When a person accepts Jesus as their Savior and Lord. All their past sins are immediately forgiven to them, Jesus took the punishment for their sins, He pays the debt of them, and all the sins they committed are forgotten entirely, forgiven. That person is immediately washed clean. Pure, White as snow. SINLESS, Did not deserve it, it was a gift to them, it was free. Jesus did that for them, because they Believed in Him. That person is SAVED, written in the Book of Life the moment they received Him as their Lord and Savior. AFTER that moment if that person willingly commits sin. it will be that person who pays for the penalty of that particular Sin. Jesus already paid the price for their PAST sins. He does not continually go to the cross for that person time and time again to be sacrificed over and over and over again, read Hebrews. Jesus pays for that persons sins ONCE. After a person gets Saved, they will pay for their own sins that they choose to commit.
Scriptures teach this in many places. it is written you reap what you sow. If then you do evil you shall be repaid for the evil that you have done. The wrath of God is coming upon the disobedient children of God. notice they are called children of God, not referring to the unsaved, which are not children of God but children of the devil. You commit sin, it is you that will pay the consequences of those sins. People need to wake up to this Truth, because the more they continue to sin, the more wrath they are adding to be put on themselves when the Hour of Temptation will begin.
Here is where it gets a little bit harder to understand. Even though a person commits sin and they will pay the consequences for their own actions, does not mean they are unsaved or not forgiven.
If i walk into the bank and rob it, and later i repent and return the money, and ask God to forgive me. God does, but i will still have to pay the consequences of my actions, and God may decide that prison is where i will go, even though He has forgiven me, the Word can't be broken. He has to fulfill "You reap what you sow" or He is found to be a liar, and He is no liar.
For example i have sinned much after i was forgiven of my past sins. After i was white as snow, and i freely chose to get dirty again. Even though right now i am forgiven of the sins that i committed after i was Saved, i will still pay the consequences of my own actions. i may contract a disease, or get maimed in a car accident, or when the Hour of Temptation starts, i may have boils all over me. my point is i will not escape the punishment for the things that i have done that were against Jesus Christ. Here is why it is called the Hour of Temptation.
Because when His Wrath comes upon the whole Earth, and people everywhere are effected by it, some more than others, and there will be much suffering, for all will be paying the consequences of their own sinning during this time. People have stored up wrath for themselves for this particular time. Many and i say many will not understand they are being punished for their own sins, they have blindly believed a doctrine that taught all their sins past, present, and future, have been paid for, something that is NOT taught in all of Scriptures. So when it is time to pay the consequences of their own sinning during that time, they will not understand, and this is when the Great Falling Away will happen, many will not repent of their sins, and realize they deserved the punishment that God dished out to them, because of their own sinning. So then the Hour of Temptation is when you will be tempted to turn away from God, to fall away from the Faith, even though terrible things has come upon you and your family. So no matter what wrath comes upon me in the end, i will know, i deserved it, and will not turn away from God. He is a Just God, and during the Hour of Temptation, the world will reap what they have sown.
All those who continue to live in sin, all they are doing is storing up wrath for their own selves when it comes upon the whole Earth. All of you have been warned of this, and it is the TRUTH, and does not contradict any Scriptures. Howbeit it most certainly contradicts the false doctrine that is being taught today.

Paul said he had problems doing what he didn't want to do and not doing what he should do.

Yes and he testifies he was in a miserable way, but in the end who was able to help him? Jesus Christ was able to help him.

Please answer my questions as I would really like to know your input on these questions. Thanks.

i always try to answer every question that is asked of me. Even though that is rarely what i receive in return. What i mean is, i ask questions that people generation don't want to answer, because if they did answer it, then they would have to realize they were wrong in what they believed, therefore it is easier to NOT ANSWER and attack the person and not what is being said.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[walkinholyspirit]

When will those who say do this or dont touch that come to realize it is Christ in you that is the only reason you are where you are right now.It is God who has started this work in us by the Holy Spirit.The Holy Spirit is the proof we are saved.Other wise we would still be the miserable wretch we were before coming to Christ.It is not our Holiness at work but His.We bear fruit not because it saves us but because we are saved.
This post is meant for no one in particular and it is easy to fall into a gospel of self righteousness with out even thinking about it.Been there myself and i think most have at some time.Give our Lord the Glory it is He that has brought us this far and it is He that will take us all the way.Live a life of being saved,not a life of working to be saved.
As Forrest Gump said,thats all i got to say bout that.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

i also 100% agree that anything that pushes people away from Christ is not good.

But how is teaching people to stop obeying satan and obey Jesus Christ, pushing people away from Jesus Christ? Please answer.

How is telling people to STOP obeying satan, pushing people away from Christ. It is Jesus Christ's Power and Strength that one is able to STOP obeying satan. So because i teach ONLY obey Jesus Christ, i am pushing people away from Jesus Christ, please explain?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

dave, you do understand that you, me everyone else, has a sin nature.

Yes, even Jesus had a sin nature, because He was in human flesh upon the Earth. We know this is True, because Jesus was tempted to commit sin many times, for it is written, He was tempted in every way that we are. Just because we have a sin nature, does not mean we will commit sin.

My flesh desires to fornicate, yet i have not had a sexual relationship in over 10 years. Just because my body desires to fornicate (sin nature) does not mean i HAVE to comply with its desire.

accepting Christ does not mean that we no longer have a flesh. Paul said that we are to crucify the flesh. crucifiction does not result in an instant death, it is a slow, painful death.

And how long does a crucifixion last? Hours? Days? Months? Years? Whole Life?

Of coarse it is hard to crucify the flesh, but it can be crucified. Yes it is hard and will be difficult, but with Jesus it is possible. Crucify is to KILL, get rid of, terminate, end it. Someone who chooses to commit adultery has not crucified their flesh, but still living in their flesh, they have not killed it, (crucified it)

so while we should be getting more Christlike, and less " fleshie " that does NOT mean that a believer never sins.

So then Jesus was actually incorrect in telling a woman and a man to "Go and sin no more"
Paul also was incorrect in teaching us to
Awake to righteousness and SIN NOT.
or
Shall we continue in sin, ... .. God forbid.

And many other such verses which plainly teach against sinning.

Of coarse it is a process of becoming more Christ-like. And it is not advisable to quit all sinning all at once. satan has a hayday with people who try that. Take one sin that you do, and crucify it, get it out of your life, work on it, pray on it, ask others to help you with it, get it gone, KILL it. Then after you accomplish that, get rid of another. After that another.
But know this. the time is short, not much time left. So start getting right now, before the time ends and you are still found within your sins, still living in sins.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Grace777x70]

No one advocates sinning. Sinning deceives us a distorts our view of the Lord, others and ourselves. Doing righteous deeds or "not sinning" does not qualify us for heaven - the grace of God through faith in Christ's work on the cross and faith in His blood does that.

Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse. This is the essence of the works-based salvationists mindset and the driving force behind this sinless perfection in the flesh doctrine.

Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.

I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".

Here is how righteousness is manifested in a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now!

This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.

The"horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.

Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man...you will then manifest outwardly who you already are now in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face,beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.


Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13[/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21[/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells and His life gets manifested in love towards others in this hurt and dying world.

 

[jenniferand2]

Revelation 22:18 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Matthew Chapter 6

1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

 

[jenniferand2]

Proverbs 14:12 Context

9Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour. 10The heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy. 11The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish. 12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. 13Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness. 14The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself. 15The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

i also 100% agree that anything that pushes people away from Christ is not good.

But how is teaching people to stop obeying satan and obey Jesus Christ, pushing people away from Jesus Christ? Please answer.

How is telling people to STOP obeying satan, pushing people away from Christ. It is Jesus Christ's Power and Strength that one is able to STOP obeying satan. So because i teach ONLY obey Jesus Christ, i am pushing people away from Jesus Christ, please explain?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

I think you and I both know this isn't about about obeying jesus and not satan it's about how you preach the sinless doctrine.

aaahhhh it is about obeying Jesus and not satan. If a person only obeys Jesus and not satan they are no longer living in sin.

Only one man was able to live a life completely without sin and that was Jesus,

And if that sinless man lives inside of you, than you too can become like Him, yes or no? If what you say is True that only one man was able to live a life without sin (Which we know full well Jesus was the only man who NEVER sinned) Why would Jesus tell a man and a woman to do something that you say is impossible to do? i mean if it is not possible to become without sinning, why would Jesus instruct a man to "Go and sin no more, lest a worst thing come upon you" He also plainly instructed a woman to "Go and sin no more" also. NO, He did not say "Go and commit adultery no more" He specifically chose His words exactly as He wanted them to be written; He said to her "Go and sin no more"
Paul also says and teaches "Awake to righteousness and sin not". He also said and taught "Shall we continue in sin?... .. .. God forbid" So who am i to believe? You which teach nobody can walk sinless like Jesus did, or believe Jesus and His Apostles which plainly teach it is possible? What about the words of the Apostle John which says:

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Why would the Apostle John write that "Whosoever abideth in Jesus does not sin:" Believe you, or Scriptures?

now teaching to not live in sin and teaching to obey God is good but when you preach sinlessness and when other feel inadequate because they cannot live up to the sinless doctrine standards whose spirit do you think is at work here?

The Spirit of God. Tell me, Did Jesus teach the world will receive the Truth or reject it? Answer me this question:

What sin do you do that you can't possibly cease from?

The answer is, there is not one sin that you do that you can't cease from. With the help of Jesus Christ you can cease from every known sin to man. If then a person is feeling inadequate because of some kind of sin in their life that they can't seem to get rid of, what is that to God? There is no temptation so strong that a person can't handle it. And with every temptation God allows a path out of it. If a person is feeling inadequate is is because they are not looking to Jesus for help, but trying to cease by and through their own power, which they will never be adequate enough to do.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[jenniferand2]

“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”