GOD'S DISCIPLINE ISN'T PUNISHEMENT FOR PAST SINS...
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And the implication is that if you 'fall from grace', then you have to somehow climb back up to obtain it again.
And in context, falling from grace is going back to some sort of law or addition to the simplicity of the Gospel - things you have to do to keep yourself saved or in 'good graces' with God:
Two really things important to note here:
-JGIG
And in context, falling from grace is going back to some sort of law or addition to the simplicity of the Gospel - things you have to do to keep yourself saved or in 'good graces' with God:
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
Two really things important to note here:
- When one falls FROM grace, they fall TO law.
- When one falls FROM grace, it isn't committing sin that does it; it's adding some law to the Gospel and the freedom we have in Christ that does it.
-JGIG
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Exactly!!
Thank you for elaborating so well.
Thank you for elaborating so well.
And the implication is that if you 'fall from grace', then you have to somehow climb back up to obtain it again.
And in context, falling from grace is going back to some sort of law or addition to the simplicity of the Gospel - things you have to do to keep yourself saved or in 'good graces' with God:
Two really things important to note here:
-JGIG
And in context, falling from grace is going back to some sort of law or addition to the simplicity of the Gospel - things you have to do to keep yourself saved or in 'good graces' with God:
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
Two really things important to note here:
- When one falls FROM grace, they fall TO law.
- When one falls FROM grace, it isn't committing sin that does it; it's adding some law to the Gospel and the freedom we have in Christ that does it.
-JGIG
See this one? This is both the worst and the best scripture about falling away from grace.
The blue indicates that the "fallen ones" here were christians.
The red indicates what every NT scripture that speaks of the "falling away" are falling away from: GRACE.
While it's true that most of these scriptures could be talking about a backsliding, the one of 2Thess 2 is an event happening right now in the end of the Church Age.
This one shows many in the church in the last days will fall away from grace permanently into a delusion created by God Himself so those who rebel from God will face the judgments during & after the Tribulation period.
11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
Galatians 5
1It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
The blue indicates that the "fallen ones" here were christians.
The red indicates what every NT scripture that speaks of the "falling away" are falling away from: GRACE.
While it's true that most of these scriptures could be talking about a backsliding, the one of 2Thess 2 is an event happening right now in the end of the Church Age.
This one shows many in the church in the last days will fall away from grace permanently into a delusion created by God Himself so those who rebel from God will face the judgments during & after the Tribulation period.
11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
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John 14:23-24, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."[/FONT]
The elect are the faithful, not backsliding rebels.
Since "falling from grace" speaks of both backsliding & complete rebellion, the one points to the other. The difference between them, is when God Himself determines it. A backslider can come back, but when he doesn't, God makes the decision what to do with him.
But as some have intimated before, God doesn't kill them & send them to Heaven. It would show respecter of persons if God allowed living-in-sin rebels into Heaven with His faithful few.
Since "falling from grace" speaks of both backsliding & complete rebellion, the one points to the other. The difference between them, is when God Himself determines it. A backslider can come back, but when he doesn't, God makes the decision what to do with him.
But as some have intimated before, God doesn't kill them & send them to Heaven. It would show respecter of persons if God allowed living-in-sin rebels into Heaven with His faithful few.
Hebrews 10
35Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised. (he that endureth until the end, the same shall be saved)
37FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE,
HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY. 38BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH;
AND IF HE(my righteous one)SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.
There's no reason to inject my opinion when the Scriptures are plain. God's word stands alone.
35Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised. (he that endureth until the end, the same shall be saved)
37FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE,
HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY. 38BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH;
AND IF HE(my righteous one)SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.
There's no reason to inject my opinion when the Scriptures are plain. God's word stands alone.
And the implication is that if you 'fall from grace', then you have to somehow climb back up to obtain it again.
And in context, falling from grace is going back to some sort of law or addition to the simplicity of the Gospel - things you have to do to keep yourself saved or in 'good graces' with God:
Two really things important to note here:
-JGIG
And in context, falling from grace is going back to some sort of law or addition to the simplicity of the Gospel - things you have to do to keep yourself saved or in 'good graces' with God:
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal. 5)
Two really things important to note here:
- When one falls FROM grace, they fall TO law.
- When one falls FROM grace, it isn't committing sin that does it; it's adding some law to the Gospel and the freedom we have in Christ that does it.
-JGIG
So it’s not the acts of let’s say a serial adulator that causes a let’s say saved man to fall from grace ,but when he realizes his error he adds to the law ?
Blessings
Bill
You've taken an opportunity to reconcile to criticize, and completely missed the point of my post. You have to understand that is how I view things. Whether it is right or wrong (my perception), that is how I see it. If someone tells me I have offended them, even if I am right, should I not seek peace with them? It is the right thing to do.
My father jokes about a marriage relationship, "I can be right or I can be happy. I'd rather be happy." I think along these same lines (of logic), we Christians shouldn't forget our love for one another (that I know you believe to be a command from Jesus, our Lord). The apostle Paul talks about this, the importance of love (1 Corinthians 13) over understanding all mysteries and all knowledge.
Know that the olive branch is extended.
My father jokes about a marriage relationship, "I can be right or I can be happy. I'd rather be happy." I think along these same lines (of logic), we Christians shouldn't forget our love for one another (that I know you believe to be a command from Jesus, our Lord). The apostle Paul talks about this, the importance of love (1 Corinthians 13) over understanding all mysteries and all knowledge.
Know that the olive branch is extended.
Please provide contextual Scripture that tells us that sin disqualifies one from grace.
In your theology, is grace only for the unsaved, but once one is saved, no more grace?!
Is the Gospel the Good News only until one receives it, and then it's Bad News (no more grace!)?
20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (from Rom. 5)
-JGIG