GOD'S DISCIPLINE ISN'T PUNISHEMENT FOR PAST SINS...
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Well.... Do you still go down to the temple and sacrafice a bull? or sheep? or dove? This has nothing to do with Farley it has to do with rightly dividing the Word of Truth. It just so happens that Farley knows something maybe you don't yet. Come into the new covenant and put behind you the old one. 2 Tim.2:15
[FONT="]14 Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 But avoid all empty (vain, useless, idle) talk, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness.[/FONT]
Words like "abomination" and "herecy" have no place in this conversation.
I do not support CHRISTIAN CENSORSHIP. No ONE Christian teacher or preacher is going to teach or preach everything we already know. And not all Christians agree on every single topic from A-Z
But what we all do believe are the foundational truths of the Christian faith and I think that needs to be posted again especially for those who want to censor anyone and everyone who is not like them.
WE BELIEVE
If someone is saying the opposite of these truths that our Christian faith is founded on then the word "heresy" applies. Otherwise, it's one man's beliefs over another. And we are here to discuss the Bible not hit people over the head with it.
But what we all do believe are the foundational truths of the Christian faith and I think that needs to be posted again especially for those who want to censor anyone and everyone who is not like them.
WE BELIEVE
- In one God, who exists in three Persons—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He is loving, holy and just.
- That the Bible is God’s Word. It is inspired and accurate. It is our perfect guide in all matters of life.
- That sin has separated us all from God, and that only through Jesus Christ can we be reconciled to God.
- That Jesus Christ is both God and Man. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He led a sinless life, took all our sins upon Himself, died and rose again. Today, He is seated at the right hand of the Father as our High Priest and Mediator.
- That salvation is God’s gift to us. It is available to anyone who confesses the Lord Jesus with their mouth and believes that God has raised Him from death to life.
- That water baptism is a symbol of the cleansing power of God and a testimony of our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
- That the Holy Spirit is our Comforter. He guides us in all areas of our lives. He also blesses us with spiritual gifts and empowers us to yield the fruit of the Spirit.
- That the Holy Communion is a celebration of Jesus’ death and our remembrance of Him.
- That God wants to transform, heal, and provide for us, so that we can live blessed and victorious lives that will impact and help others.
- That we are called to preach the gospel to all nations.
- That our Lord Jesus Christ is coming back again just as He promised.
If someone is saying the opposite of these truths that our Christian faith is founded on then the word "heresy" applies. Otherwise, it's one man's beliefs over another. And we are here to discuss the Bible not hit people over the head with it.
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ignore at your own peril
we can skip some of what Jesus said, but we sure better not question or wonder about the teachings of the heretical individuals who teach that or decide to believe that
it's the New Gospel...the third Covenant. in fact, I think that is a good descriptive name for it
it's not what is referred to as the New Covenant by the actual authors of the NT
it's all about fresh and new revelation, but it is actually the age old question 'has God really said?'
it is the Third Covenant and it is between false teachers and the itching ears crowd
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I cannot find anything in that prayer that would recommend it as past tense
the only thing it seems certain that the new false teachers would object to, would be the 2 lines I highlighted above in a different color
it seems those who follow these kinds of teachers do not believe in asking for forgiveness
of course they will object to that, even though Farley in particular comes right out and teaches that (among others)
apparently, or so some would like us to believe, there are massive differences in how we do that
do we confess? do we ask for forgiveness?
'oh wait! we don't have to ask for forgiveness! that old prayer of Jesus is no longer for us in the Third Covenant
God doesn't care about all that stuff. that means we can also ignore Jesus' parable of the unforgiving servant
see how that works? you strike out one thing that makes you unsettled because you do not want to believe you have to ever humble yourself because God only wants to give you stuff and heal you instantly and bless you with big amounts of cash and the more you give the more you get blah blah blah. when you strike out that one thing, you must also find anything that would indicate God is trying to get your attention about something and strike that out also
yay! don't y'all just love this Third Covenant teaching?
this is what the Bible calls 'doctrine of demons'
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"In essentials, unity
In non-essentials, liberty
And in ALL things, charity"
Be blessed, brothers and sisters.
In non-essentials, liberty
And in ALL things, charity"
Be blessed, brothers and sisters.
I'll repost again the essentials for anyone who doesn't know them or has forgotten them. And would also remind those who disagree with the OP., if you disagree than fine, you made your opinion known but the infighting is totally not wanted or needed.
I do not support CHRISTIAN CENSORSHIP. No ONE Christian teacher or preacher is going to teach or preach everything we already know. And not all Christians agree on every single topic from A-Z
But what we all do believe are the foundational truths of the Christian faith and I think that needs to be posted again especially for those who want to censor anyone and everyone who is not like them.
WE BELIEVE
- In one God, who exists in three Persons—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He is loving, holy and just.
- That the Bible is God’s Word. It is inspired and accurate. It is our perfect guide in all matters of life.
- That sin has separated us all from God, and that only through Jesus Christ can we be reconciled to God.
- That Jesus Christ is both God and Man. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He led a sinless life, took all our sins upon Himself, died and rose again. Today, He is seated at the right hand of the Father as our High Priest and Mediator.
- That salvation is God’s gift to us. It is available to anyone who confesses the Lord Jesus with their mouth and believes that God has raised Him from death to life.
- That water baptism is a symbol of the cleansing power of God and a testimony of our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
- That the Holy Spirit is our Comforter. He guides us in all areas of our lives. He also blesses us with spiritual gifts and empowers us to yield the fruit of the Spirit.
- That the Holy Communion is a celebration of Jesus’ death and our remembrance of Him.
- That God wants to transform, heal, and provide for us, so that we can live blessed and victorious lives that will impact and help others.
- That we are called to preach the gospel to all nations.
- That our Lord Jesus Christ is coming back again just as He promised.
If someone is saying the opposite of these truths that our Christian faith is founded on then the word "heresy" applies. Otherwise, it's one man's beliefs over another. And we are here to discuss the Bible not hit people over the head with it.
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Joaniemarie,
You and I haven't always agreed on all things here on CC, and we won't necessarily always agree in the future. What we DO agree on, however, are the things you listed.
I've made posts in the past about who my favorite pastors and theologians are, and they don't agree with one another on every single Christian thing. But, as is the case between us, they all DO agree on the items you mentioned.
I would consider myself a little more "fundamental" than you, but that's OK. I just try to stand for the faith without being "too" confrontational. Sometimes confrontation and conflict are necessary, but I don't like to quibble over small things.
And thank you for your contributions to the CC forums!
NMBH
You and I haven't always agreed on all things here on CC, and we won't necessarily always agree in the future. What we DO agree on, however, are the things you listed.
I've made posts in the past about who my favorite pastors and theologians are, and they don't agree with one another on every single Christian thing. But, as is the case between us, they all DO agree on the items you mentioned.
I would consider myself a little more "fundamental" than you, but that's OK. I just try to stand for the faith without being "too" confrontational. Sometimes confrontation and conflict are necessary, but I don't like to quibble over small things.
And thank you for your contributions to the CC forums!
NMBH
Thank you NMBH., same to you!
I don't come here to argue either and I'm also finding I don't come here to "contend" for the faith either. I think it's more about sharing with other believers here. There are many good preachers and teachers but I have some favorites that build me up in the Lord every day. They don't agree with one another on some issues but ALL of them believe in the list posted here under "I BELIEVE"
I was just listening to some preachers last night in a question and answer platform. I used to listen to their kind of preaching and teaching all the time and was actually raised on it. While hearing them again it's obvious now why I no longer agree with them the way I USED to. But still they are amazing men of God and I respect and can appreciate them and find them worth listening to for the things we do agree on.
These men are obviously men of God but they are also just human the same as we are. I think we each have to be taught by the Holy Spirit through the Bible personally so we are able to stand strong on our own with Jesus even when some people disagree with us.
To know what we believe and why because it's us and Jesus at the beginning and end of each day. I also think we have to find a good Bible believing church we can come into agreement with that preaches Christ as He is revealed in the Bible and to be able to be accountable to that body of believers.
Today I'm in agreement with a Full Gospel church whereas for years our family went and agreed with Fundamental Baptist churches.
Below is a youtube video with
Duncan, Mohler, Sproul, Zacharias. Questions and Answers #2 [video=youtube;kHTZrxHB-so]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHTZrxHB-so&t=2765s[/video]
Question for you, HRFTD: How are you typing and seeing the computer screen?
I ask because Jesus says to cut off your hand and put out your eye if they offend you. I'm guessing that in the time you've been here at CC your hands have offended at least twice and eyes the same, and should be gone by now.
If you haven't rid yourselves of your offending parts, you have ignored at least SOME of the words of Jesus.
According to you, that's an abomination.
Dismiss this point if you wish, but you DO choose to ignore, or a better phrase would be to 'rightly divide' the Word of Truth, yes?
You choose to say we must forgive IN ORDER to be forgiven as Jesus states in the 'Lord's Prayer', which was taught under the Old Covenant before He did the Work of the Cross, while we choose to say that we forgive BECAUSE we are forgiven, BECAUSE of Jesus' Work of the Cross, as taught in Ephesians and Colossians.
In my opinion, YOUR interpretation is the abomination, because it declares that NO ONE can be forgiven UNTIL they forgive others. That's salvation by works, and for the incredibly abused and wounded, an impossibility without first receiving God's forgiveness and New Life in Christ!
Believe what you like, but you are engaging in just as serious of an abomination as you accuse others of if you are still in possession of your members.
Either apply ALL of the words of Jesus or learn to rightly divide them, understanding when He was preaching Law to those under the Law and when He was pointing to the New Covenant yet to be ratified in His Blood.
-JGIG
You are so off base, it's almost comical.
I challenge you to listen to some of Farley's stuff.
There is no 'new gospel', 'third covenant', or any other absurd slanderous term you or those you have read about what they say he teaches can come up with.
You are posting out of complete ignorance, and that just ain't right
.-JGIG
That's Andrew Farley. He has really, really good series on Romans, Hebrews, and a bunch of other epistles =).
Some particularly good selections:
- Is That Really in the Bible?
- It's Not About You
- Romans - The Gift of Righteousness
- Hebrews
- 1 John
- Hot Spots
Enjoy!
-JGIG
"In essentials, unity
In non-essentials, liberty
And in ALL things, charity"
Be blessed, brothers and sisters.
In non-essentials, liberty
And in ALL things, charity"
Be blessed, brothers and sisters.
Yes, I love that quote - unity does not require uniformity, thank the Lord!
I like this illustration:
It gives a good visual about what the term 'core issues' means.
So much of what's debated here at the BDL falls on the outer rings of this model.
-JGIG
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JGIG;3554623]You are so off base, it's almost comical.
I challenge you to listen to some of Farley's stuff.
There is no 'new gospel', 'third covenant', or any other absurd slanderous term you or those you have read about what they say he teaches can come up with.
You are posting out of complete ignorance, and that just ain't right.
-JGIG
I challenge you to listen to some of Farley's stuff.
There is no 'new gospel', 'third covenant', or any other absurd slanderous term you or those you have read about what they say he teaches can come up with.
You are posting out of complete ignorance, and that just ain't right
.-JGIG
I see you have the same lovely posting style of the Third Covenant that several others here have
the style is to comment on the poster rather than the poster's comments
I have listened to and read some of Farley's offerings. I would not comment otherwise
you would be far more believable if you did not try to denigrade me personally
I find that a person that has to stoop to this kind of immaturity, is probably more interested in winning some kind of imagined contest than discussing why another person disagrees
there is definitely a Third Covenant being presented by false teachers who are questionning what Jesus teaches and inserting their own humanist reasoning
you can defend anyone you want as long as you realize that your acceptance does not mean that others who disagree are stupid or ignorant or whatever other term you feel does your opinion justice
While I absolutely agree with you that Salvation is not based on us forgiving others, but on God forgiving us through His Son, I'm not sure we can put the "Our Father" (the Lord's prayer is actually a misnomer IMO) in an Old covenant box, and kinda forget about it.
The prayer is a model that Jesus is teaching us, and I believe applicable for Christians today. I believe we should pray for Christ's return ON EARTH. I think forgiveness is a natural fruit that a born again child of God will do. And of course we should be thanking the Lord for not only our food, but EVERYTHING. I also see no problem asking for strength in times of temptaion.
I don't know anything about this Farley guy. I do believe that virtually every single Paster or preacher can fall victim to the heretic hunter, but there are really are some nad apples spreading bad stuff.
So dividing, and discerning the Word as you say is crucial.
The prayer is a model that Jesus is teaching us, and I believe applicable for Christians today. I believe we should pray for Christ's return ON EARTH. I think forgiveness is a natural fruit that a born again child of God will do. And of course we should be thanking the Lord for not only our food, but EVERYTHING. I also see no problem asking for strength in times of temptaion.
I don't know anything about this Farley guy. I do believe that virtually every single Paster or preacher can fall victim to the heretic hunter, but there are really are some nad apples spreading bad stuff.
So dividing, and discerning the Word as you say is crucial.
You are so off base, it's almost comical.
I challenge you to listen to some of Farley's stuff.
There is no 'new gospel', 'third covenant', or any other absurd slanderous term you or those you have read about what they say he teaches can come up with.
You are posting out of complete ignorance, and that just ain't right.
-JGIG
That's Andrew Farley. He has really, really good series on Romans, Hebrews, and a bunch of other epistles =).
Some particularly good selections:
Enjoy!
-JGIG
I challenge you to listen to some of Farley's stuff.
There is no 'new gospel', 'third covenant', or any other absurd slanderous term you or those you have read about what they say he teaches can come up with.
You are posting out of complete ignorance, and that just ain't right
.-JGIG
That's Andrew Farley. He has really, really good series on Romans, Hebrews, and a bunch of other epistles =).
Some particularly good selections:
- Is That Really in the Bible?
- It's Not About You
- Romans - The Gift of Righteousness
- Hebrews
- 1 John
- Hot Spots
Enjoy!
-JGIG
And I don't believe that you've actually gone to the source and actually listened to anything that Farley teaches, because if you had, I'd expect to see proof of where he preaches a 'Third Covenant'.
You cannot post such a reference because it does not exist.
You've either made that accusation up or are repeating what someone else says about what Farley teaches.
As for your claim that I've tried to degrade you personally, no, that's not the case. I've not called you ignorant, or stupid, or whatever - not one time.
I have, however, called your bluff.
You've engaged in slander against someone you think you disagree with. I'm challenging you to go to the source.
Unfortunately, I'm guessing you've invested too much into torpedoing Farley now that you won't go to the source for fear of being proven to be in error.
It's too bad. Lots of good, orthodox, edifying teaching there.
-JGIG
That's Andrew Farley. He has really, really good series on Romans, Hebrews, and a bunch of other epistles =).
Some particularly good selections:
- Is That Really in the Bible?
- It's Not About You
- Romans - The Gift of Righteousness
- Hebrews
- 1 John
- Hot Spots
Enjoy!
-JGIG