Harry Potter -- Reality Or Just Fantasy? Or Both?!

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Hmm, I see people in this topic who have a hard time separating reality from fictional entertainment. But perhaps those people are right, perhaps they should stay away from that stuff.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For those of us who can discern the difference between reality and fantasy entertainment (harry potter), knock yourself out.
I read Tolkien when I was kid, I thought Farmer Giles of Ham with his oh-so-medieval blunderbuss was all that and more. I never got a blunderbuss of my own so it must be true then.
 
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The whole Harry Potter thing is absurd and I'll tell you why!

In one of the films they briefly go
Back in time to stop someone's pet getting slaughtered

Why didn't he just go further back in time and stop his parents getting killed in the first place!!!!

Outrageous!
 
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danschance

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typical frightened extremist evangelist views. I read Harry Potter...finished it, put the books down, and went on with my life never once paying any more attention to witchcraft or anything occult. It was like I somehow separated reality and fantasy in my head and was fine. Perhaps thats a gift of the Spirit that just misses most people on this forum?

Sorry, but her views are not based on fear. It is a matter of one's personal views. Some parents allow thier children to watch violence and others do not.

As a Christian, I prefer not to support movies with an occult back drop. That has nothing to do with fear but it does say that I am drawing the line in the sand.
 

Angela53510

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I just want to add my opinion of Ouija boards. They are DANGEROUS for kids.

A friend of mine and I started using one in grade 8, and I swear it was demonic! I think it also led me down the path to occult and the New Age. It was not the only thing that got me on that path, though. And having Christians parents and going to church might have stopped it too! But I did not have that privilege!

I think there are demonic things out there. But I do not believe that popular book series like Harry Potter, Narnia or Lord of the Rings are among them. For one thing, they are worlds that are not ours, which by definition is fantasy. They have strong moral values, and show children that evil exists but to seek after things that are right and good. As for Narnia, if anyone read the books, they would find so many Bible verses they would realize how Christian the books are. To say nothing of Aslan, who is the perfect type of Christ. Even to the fact that the younger children are able to see him, but the older children lose their ability and eventually cannot go back to Narnia and one sister thinks the whole experience was made up (Susan!) What a poignant statement of how Christ told his disciples to let the little children come to him. I pray to be like a little child and see Jesus!

"Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Matt. 19:14

So I do believe in demonic forces and evil in this world. I also believe that Christ has conquered these forces, and as Christians, they cannot harm us.

"Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, [SUP]7 [/SUP]rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.[SUP]8 [/SUP]See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him to the cross." Col 2:6-15

As Christians, we should be focusing on walking with Christ, not trivial arguments about whether fiction books are a threat to our salvation, or to children for that matter. Remember that Christ has conquered sin death and every power of evil on the cross and by his resurrection.

"[SUP]31 [/SUP]What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? [SUP]32 [/SUP]He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? [SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? [SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written,
“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”


[SUP]37 [/SUP]No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,[SUP]39 [/SUP]nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:31-39
 

john832

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I just want to add my opinion of Ouija boards. They are DANGEROUS for kids.
Why just kids? Anything that allows one to communicate with evil spirits is DANGEROUS for all, not just kids.
 

duewell

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taken from the last time this subject came up. http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41533-harry-potter-bad.html#post701228

so long as read the books or watch the movie with the understanding that it is a parable, it shouldn't be a problem. the last book and the actions of the protagonist should seem very familiar. harry potter is no more dangerous than star wars, the muppets or lord of the rings. while there are some things that can be considered questionable it is no where near as bad as the things we deal with in reality on a daily basis.


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wwjd_kilden

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Harry Potter the movie, full of demons, a whole hive of them.

fair enough

Harry Potter the book, if it was approved by GOD it would have been hated by many not loved by them. and JK rolling got a sell out if am not mistaken

Uuuh, the bible is the most popular book in the world.... is it evil too then?


The world will always hate those who speak of truth, holiness and righteousness.
Yes it will always hate us, why? because CHRISTs Word has no place in them but it has been kept in us..!!..
I would not want young children to read Harry Potter. As for the rest of us, we should be able to make our own choices, shouldn't we? Even the news are filled with horrors, and most of us watch them... but what good will us watching them do for the ones who are in difficulties? Normally nothing... so we do it for entertainment... is that any better than reading books?
 
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I didn't think of that angle! I have one friend who is a Harry Potter fanatic, so I will ask her about that tomorrow. The fact that she's a public school teacher in the radical leftist LAUSD and also an Anglican is just part of that same Harry Potter worldview, I'm sure. ;)


In the meantime, is Harry Potter himself a "pure blooded" witch?
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"A thinly veiled reference"? You write exactly like someone's press agent for some reason... :rolleyes:
I don't see what her being Anglican has to do with ANYTHING? She could e Catholic, Baptist, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, atheist, or a chocolatechip cookie-worshipping crazy person... One person who reads a book doesn't define the book. Many, many evil people read and believed they were following the Bible, or enjoyed Shakespeare plays... That doesn't make his plays evil and it DEFINITELY doesn't mean the Bible is evil...

And the race of a character, I don't see how that changes the argument at all. But if you must know... His father was a pure blooded wizard, and his mother was what the "racists" call a mud-blood... A witch born from two normal (human) parents. In the HP world, magic is a gene, and can be a recessive gene throughout the generations. It's treated exactly like eye color or hair color in the books. The author even goes into DETAIL that humans who think they're magical (wiccans, pagans and more malevolent forms of witchcraft and mediumship) are lying, as only being born with the gene can do it, and non-magic people who see ghosts are lying. It blatantly divides the fantasy magic of the HP world and the pagan magic of our world as two very different things.

The characters even celebrate Christmas and Easter... Of course, no blatant reference to ANY religion is made, but when you read it, you can tell it was written by a woman with a Christian upbringing. I mean, the final book could be viewed as a Narnia-style allegory for the Passion. Of course there is a broader story and a lot of characters with development in the book, the MAIN storyline seems awfully familiar...

And as far as me being a press agent... I just write that way... it IS a thinly veiled reference to the Holocaust... The hero at the time, Dumbledore, fights an evil German Wizard in 1945 and puts him into a wizard prison that sounds an awful lot like "Nuremberg" called Nurmengard... And if that isn't enough, that evil wizard was committing genocide on "mud blood" witches and non-magical people... And it's suggested he influenced the human war going on at the time.

The allegories that JK Rowling uses might be a bit out there (magic, mythical creatures, etc) but they're pretty obvious and suggest good morals for kids reading the books...
 
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The whole Harry Potter thing is absurd and I'll tell you why!

In one of the films they briefly go
Back in time to stop someone's pet getting slaughtered

Why didn't he just go further back in time and stop his parents getting killed in the first place!!!!

Outrageous!
If I remember correctly Voldemort died in that attack, so had Harry saved his parents the arch villain would have lived on and we would have needed a very different story. Then again, I suppose, with the time turner Dumbledore could have traveled through time to stop the young Tom Riddle. Or, perhaps, the device only allowed travel to a period of time no more than a few hours removed. I don't really think Rolling specified its limitations.
 
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The characters even celebrate Christmas and Easter... Of course, no blatant reference to ANY religion is made, but when you read it, you can tell it was written by a woman with a Christian upbringing.
No blatant references? That's the opposite of J.K. Rowling's statement--have you even read the books?

J K Rowling: 'Christianity inspired Harry Potter' - Telegraph

At one point Harry visits his parents' graves and finds two biblical passages inscribed on their tombstones.

"They are very British books, so on a very practical note, Harry was going to find biblical quotations on tombstones," she said.
 

Nautilus

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yes but there were no biblical references to the holidays was his point.
 
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yes but there were no biblical references to the holidays was his point.
"Biblical" references to celebrating Christmas? Where is that in the Bible?

The characters even celebrate Christmas and Easter... Of course, no blatant reference to ANY religion is made, but when you read it, you can tell it was written by a woman with a Christian upbringing.
I dont see how anyone could read the word "biblical" into that. Good luck... -> ESOL Courses - Free English Lessons Online


 
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I don't see the connection between weegee boards and HP. The first is clearly an attempt at opening people, mostly kids, to the occult. The latter is a fantasy series that isn't designed for that purpose. This thread is so silly. There are people who've read the books and know what they're talking about (and are discerning Christians), people who don't know what they're talking about, non-Christians who've read the books and there are possibly some trolls here too. I'm just not sure who's the troll.
 
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Tintin

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Also, the magic 8 ball has its roots in divination. Even it were harmless, it would be pretty pointless.
 
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I don't see the connection between weegee boards and HP. The first is clearly an attempt at opening people, mostly kids, to the occult. The latter is a fantasy series that isn't designed for that purpose. This thread is so silly.
Hi Tintin,
It seems silly to me as well, but then I don't take the occult seriously. So for me the series is just a really fun, easy to read, frolic that I can lose myself in for a while. Rolling has created an imaginary universe where magic is real and where non Muggle housewives daily cast spells on brooms and dishrags to make the chores go quicker. I suppose, however, if someone has a deep seated fear of the occult, and believes magic is real, they might perceive the Potter series as a kind of gateway drug and so oppose it on those grounds. What do you think? Is this what the objection is about?
 
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I don't see the connection between weegee boards and HP.
Jack Chick? :rolleyes: -> English "The Nervous Witch"

The first is clearly an attempt at opening people, mostly kids, to the occult.
:eek: From the makers of Monopoly and Trivial Pursuit...

The latter is a fantasy series that isn't designed for that purpose.
Designed for some purpose. What that means is the topic of this thread.

This thread is so silly
It's an exercise in spiritual discernment Mr. Dawkins.

There are people who've read the books and know what they're talking about (and are discerning Christians), people who don't know what they're talking about, non-Christians who've read the books and there are possibly some trolls here too.
Ok, so which are you Tintin?

I'm just not sure who's the troll.
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Ouji boards affect adults defently.when u see somone walk in ur kitchen and shut the door you know.I looked in the kitchen everyone was asleep and no wind was around to shut the door that day .also when I messed with it it told me that my bff was not a christian even though she told me she was so I was curious because something did not feelright .I asked her and It turns out she lied to me the entire time about it a few other things the board was right about to.the reason why I watched also is because I felt depressed .when your brothers don't like talking to u and ur mom and dad always leave u get upset it wasn't my parents fault they did not even know I watched it still dont .I regret the things I did but I'm thankful to god every day that he saved me:)
 
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Whenever I see ouija boards, fortune telling, witches or warlock games etc.... I run as fast as I can! I have no interest in playing with the devil!
 
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