If you've ever prayed for someone that was healed gradually, do you label that as 'anti-Jesus'. That's really messed up. And accusing the guy who prayed for her of being a fraud or fake or whatever because of the reactions of people he prayed for, that's messed up thinking, too.
I Corinthians 12 mentions gifts of healing and also working of miracles. God heals fast and God heals slow. This woman's illness was well documented. She had a brain injury and was in a wheelchair for decades. She got out after the man prayed for her, was able to walk, though not perfectly at first, but over a relatively short period of time, she could walk well. You can look up videos of her before and after. It is a documented healing.
That's not the issue. You said miracles ceased. We aren't talking about whether there are miracles on every street corner all over the world every day. That's not what I'm saying is happening.
What I am saying is this:
1. The Bible teaches the Spirit gives the gifts of healing and the working of miracles and other gifts as He wills.
2. The Bible is true.
3. Miracles do occur.
Your position is that they don't occur. They occur at times in different locations, and there is evidence for it.
And no, if there were miracles occuring, the newspaper people would not be all over it reporting it. I saw a video from a man who said a man he prayed for was raised from the dead in a soup kitchen. I've probably given enough information for anyone who wants to look him up on YouTube. He said he called a reporter about it. The reporter refused to cover it. The story would be rejected. He might face trouble in his career over it. Occasionally, the secular news reports on such a thing, as they did with Delia Knox when she went to her childhood home to visit her parents and walked up the stairs to meet them.
The Norse wrote in the runic alphabet. Some of the occultic movements have used the alphabet in the past few centuries. That doesn't make the alphabet evil. I was talking to an Icelander when I was in college who said that he could read the ancient runes. Icelandic is similar to Old Norse. His being able to read runes doesn't make him a witch or a pagan. The Wikipedia for 'runes' says,
You say 'the malice is apparent.' I notice you'll take a lot of comments I intend as factual and neutral as attacks, or did in a previous conversation. I will admit it is difficult to dialogue with you with your constant accusations and mocking.
I never said there aren't wolves. The Bible doesn't tell us to list the names of people we think might be wolves, based on how they hold their arms in a photograph or what's in the background behind them. If someone teaches false doctrine, it is okay to point it out. Your witchhunt tactics aren't right. I asked you if it was right for someone to put your picture on billboard with the caption above it, "Does this man molest children?" If asking question isn't wrong, why wouldn't that be wrong? Is that the way you want to be treated? Engaging in witchcraft is a heinous sin. Is it right to put up web pages that give people the idea that other Christians are into the occult because of the way they hold their arms or hands in a picture or because of what a bridge behind them looks like-- just by asking questions.
If wolves are incredibly deceptive, why would you think the way to find them is to look for clues like psuedo-occultic symbols in the background. That doesn't sound incredibly deceptive. That sounds like the bad guy off a 30 minute TV drama for kids who can't resist the urge to tell people his evil plan while he has the hero tied up.
God made eyes. Why would the Devil own that shape? Some people seem to think the Devil owns shapes like triangles arranged a certain way. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. How can we say the Devil owns some shape.
There is nothing dishonest in my comments about unicorns. You brought up the mythical beasts, about whether they existed or not. I made my own argument. That's not 'dishonest.'
Where is the fear of God in that We all will give account for idle word on the day of judgment. Before you accuse someone of being dishonest, you should consider whether it is sinful to do so. The Bible teaches that slander is a sin. I honestly don't see a way a sane, reasonable individual could interpret my comments about unicorns as 'dishonest.'
This was in response to my statement about all the evidence for miracles on YouTube. Again with the totally empty accusations of dishonesty. Are you trying to tell me that I don't believe there is evidence for miracles on YouTube? If you haven't bothered to search for miracle and healing videos, you should ask yourself if your responses are honest. You claim there is no evidence. Just type in 'miracles' and there are over 2 million results on YouTube. Then you claim there is no evidence, and say I am dishonest for saying their is.
You need to get your head out of the sand. If you are skeptical, be skeptical, but don't rail about miracles, especially if you haven't done the very easy job of looking at several of them. Automatically dismissing them as fakes without examining the evidence and considering it isn't an appropriate response, either.
The Bible teaches the Spirit gives individuals to do miracles. God is also sovereign and He can do miracles any time He wants. You have no right to tell Him not to, and You have no right to say that God does not do the types of things that the Bible teaches He does.
I Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
I quoted a phrase from the verse and you accuse me of twisting. In Romans 8, Paul says,
[FONT="]22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerlyfor our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.[/FONT]
I Corinthians 12 mentions gifts of healing and also working of miracles. God heals fast and God heals slow. This woman's illness was well documented. She had a brain injury and was in a wheelchair for decades. She got out after the man prayed for her, was able to walk, though not perfectly at first, but over a relatively short period of time, she could walk well. You can look up videos of her before and after. It is a documented healing.
That's not the issue. You said miracles ceased. We aren't talking about whether there are miracles on every street corner all over the world every day. That's not what I'm saying is happening.
What I am saying is this:
1. The Bible teaches the Spirit gives the gifts of healing and the working of miracles and other gifts as He wills.
2. The Bible is true.
3. Miracles do occur.
Your position is that they don't occur. They occur at times in different locations, and there is evidence for it.
And no, if there were miracles occuring, the newspaper people would not be all over it reporting it. I saw a video from a man who said a man he prayed for was raised from the dead in a soup kitchen. I've probably given enough information for anyone who wants to look him up on YouTube. He said he called a reporter about it. The reporter refused to cover it. The story would be rejected. He might face trouble in his career over it. Occasionally, the secular news reports on such a thing, as they did with Delia Knox when she went to her childhood home to visit her parents and walked up the stairs to meet them.
The Norse wrote in the runic alphabet. Some of the occultic movements have used the alphabet in the past few centuries. That doesn't make the alphabet evil. I was talking to an Icelander when I was in college who said that he could read the ancient runes. Icelandic is similar to Old Norse. His being able to read runes doesn't make him a witch or a pagan. The Wikipedia for 'runes' says,
You say 'the malice is apparent.' I notice you'll take a lot of comments I intend as factual and neutral as attacks, or did in a previous conversation. I will admit it is difficult to dialogue with you with your constant accusations and mocking.
I never said there aren't wolves. The Bible doesn't tell us to list the names of people we think might be wolves, based on how they hold their arms in a photograph or what's in the background behind them. If someone teaches false doctrine, it is okay to point it out. Your witchhunt tactics aren't right. I asked you if it was right for someone to put your picture on billboard with the caption above it, "Does this man molest children?" If asking question isn't wrong, why wouldn't that be wrong? Is that the way you want to be treated? Engaging in witchcraft is a heinous sin. Is it right to put up web pages that give people the idea that other Christians are into the occult because of the way they hold their arms or hands in a picture or because of what a bridge behind them looks like-- just by asking questions.
If wolves are incredibly deceptive, why would you think the way to find them is to look for clues like psuedo-occultic symbols in the background. That doesn't sound incredibly deceptive. That sounds like the bad guy off a 30 minute TV drama for kids who can't resist the urge to tell people his evil plan while he has the hero tied up.
God made eyes. Why would the Devil own that shape? Some people seem to think the Devil owns shapes like triangles arranged a certain way. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. How can we say the Devil owns some shape.
There is nothing dishonest in my comments about unicorns. You brought up the mythical beasts, about whether they existed or not. I made my own argument. That's not 'dishonest.'
Where is the fear of God in that We all will give account for idle word on the day of judgment. Before you accuse someone of being dishonest, you should consider whether it is sinful to do so. The Bible teaches that slander is a sin. I honestly don't see a way a sane, reasonable individual could interpret my comments about unicorns as 'dishonest.'
This was in response to my statement about all the evidence for miracles on YouTube. Again with the totally empty accusations of dishonesty. Are you trying to tell me that I don't believe there is evidence for miracles on YouTube? If you haven't bothered to search for miracle and healing videos, you should ask yourself if your responses are honest. You claim there is no evidence. Just type in 'miracles' and there are over 2 million results on YouTube. Then you claim there is no evidence, and say I am dishonest for saying their is.
You need to get your head out of the sand. If you are skeptical, be skeptical, but don't rail about miracles, especially if you haven't done the very easy job of looking at several of them. Automatically dismissing them as fakes without examining the evidence and considering it isn't an appropriate response, either.
The Bible teaches the Spirit gives individuals to do miracles. God is also sovereign and He can do miracles any time He wants. You have no right to tell Him not to, and You have no right to say that God does not do the types of things that the Bible teaches He does.
I Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
I quoted a phrase from the verse and you accuse me of twisting. In Romans 8, Paul says,
[FONT="]22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerlyfor our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.[/FONT]
