Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

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Sirk

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Born_Again said:
Wow, that was presumptuous. Age has nothing to do with theological knowledge. You can be 48 and not have it together. Don't think for a second wisdom comes with age where the Holy Spirit is concerned.
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Love it when "teachers" bring out the your a fool adjective.
 
Ahwatukee

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Sirk said:
What if the notion of hell was a distortion? We do it today but they didn't do it when it was put together?
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I believe that God's word means what it says. As I said, there is too much information demonstrating literal punishment in everlasting fire to for those who die in their sins. I don't circumvent or distort scripture. I don't apply symbolism unless it is required. I cross reference all scriptures when studying any Biblical topic in order to come to a conclusion. You would have to do a whole lot of circumvention, distortion and symbolizing to get rid of Hades and the lake of fire as being literal places of punishment.
 
MsSuzanna

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Born_Again said:
Wow, that was presumptuous. Age has nothing to do with theological knowledge. You can be 48 and not have it together. Don't think for a second wisdom comes with age where the Holy Spirit is concerned.
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Look! You came here to mock and scoff at me. I am trying to have a discussion here. If you dont want to do that plz go in peace. I dont think you have ever said anything nice to me. Leave me alone!!
 
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MsSuzanna said:
My husband hasnt been here for quite some time. He has nothing to do with it. You really are a foolish young man.
My posts are about the truth just as Ahwatukee said.
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*Tells me that I'm insulting her by having a difference in opinion and thinking her psychology is off. Tells me that she is going to report me for not violating any of CC's rules*

*Calls me a name, violating CC's rules*

 
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Geographically speaking or...
 
fredoheaven

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MsSuzanna said:
My husband hasnt been here for quite some time. He has nothing to do with it. You really are a foolish young man.
My posts are about the truth just as Ahwatukee said.
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God bless you there MsSuzanna and keep doing what is right and I believe you're doing fine. Just hold on to the scriptures, God is the author of it. Never mind those weasel wordings of some. Don't be side track, God is with you. Remember Jesus said that as we go on telling people about Christ and the gospel and the teaching of all things including "hell", Christ definitely with us.
God bless you...

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
 
MsSuzanna

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Ahwatukee said:
I believe that God's word means what it says. As I said, there is too much information demonstrating literal punishment in everlasting fire to for those who die in their sins. I don't circumvent or distort scripture. I don't apply symbolism unless it is required. I cross reference all scriptures when studying any Biblical topic in order to come to a conclusion. You would have to do a whole lot of circumvention, distortion and symbolizing to get rid of Hades and the lake of fire as being literal places of punishment.
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I cross reference all scriptures when studying any Biblical topic in order to come to a conclusion.
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Yes. I agree. Thats how to conduct a proper bible study. The whole of scripture. Scripture explains scripture! Otherwise, it is easy to cherry pick and form a false understanding about what God is saying
 
MsSuzanna

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fredoheaven said:
God bless you there MsSuzanna and keep doing what is right and I believe you're doing fine. Just hold on to the scriptures, God is the author of it. Never mind those weasel wordings of some. Don't be side track, God is with you. Remember Jesus said that as we go on telling people about Christ and the gospel and the teaching of all things including "hell", Christ definitely with us.
God bless you...

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Thank you.
God bless you too sir.
 
Ahwatukee

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Sirk said:
The word for lake of fire is only used once in scripture. Tartarus means lake of fire and it was used in 2nd Peter and it says:
For ifGod did not spare the angels who sinned,but cast them down to hell(tartarus) and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment.
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Hi Sirk,

Actually, the "lake of fire" is found several times within Revelation. The word "Tartarus/Tartaroo is used once in 2 Pet.2, which I believe is speaking about those angels who took wives from the progeny of mankind and may be the same angels that Jude 6 is speaking about. Where Sheol/Hades is a temporary place of punishment within the heart of the earth, where the lake of fire is the final place of punishment for those who names are not found written in the book of life and its location is not disclosed..
 
Ahwatukee

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theStudent said:
Do you believe demos exist?
A good few people get visions of hell fire, but I can tell you, the visions are not from our loving father.
They are from the father of lies.
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Fist, yes demons do exist, for we are told that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers and spiritual wickedness in high places. We have the event where Jesus met with the man of Gadera who was possessed by demons collectively called "Legion," who begged Jesus not to send them into the Abyss. And regarding the lake of fire Jesus said the following to his disciples and all believers:

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
 
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MsSuzanna said:
Hell, lake of fire....its all the same.
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Hell is not the lake of fire. I used to think same so no worries.

Revelation 20:14 KJV And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
 
MsSuzanna

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JohnOne said:
Hell is not the lake of fire. I used to think same so no worries.

Revelation 20:14 KJV And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
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Hades gets cast into the lake of fire . Thats why I said same thing.Although there are varying degrees of punishment.
 
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MsSuzanna said:
JW do not believe in hell.
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My brother in-law is a JW, according to their literature the governing body of JW's teach that hell is simply the abode of the dead, so they do believe in hell but not the same way as others have interpreted the meaning or context of the place.

The way I see it is if there is a everlasting torment in hellfire and a paradise heaven and if the unrighteous at death go to an everlasting hellfire and the righteous go to paradise heaven then there can be no resurrection of anyone, any resurrection is done away with because how can you resurrect anyone that is already been sent to a place at death?



The whole thing is convoluted
 
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kedge said:
My brother in-law is a JW, according to their literature the governing body of JW's teach that hell is simply the abode of the dead, so they do believe in hell but not the same way as others have interpreted the meaning or context of the place.

The way I see it is if there is a everlasting torment in hellfire and a paradise heaven and if the unrighteous at death go to an everlasting hellfire and the righteous go to paradise heaven then there can be no resurrection of anyone, any resurrection is done away with because how can you resurrect anyone that is already been sent to a place at death?



The whole thing is convoluted
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Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.


Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
 
Ahwatukee

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Sirk said:
Even Hitler's victims were given the respite of death. The idea of my God sadistically torturing people for all eternity is morally repugnant to me.
People who preach the gospel of hell have a very large misunderstanding of God's character.
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Hello again,

Sirk, God will is not and will not be "sadistically" torturing anyone. He will merely be passing out the pronounced judgments that He has set. Also, the word "gospel" means good news and eternal punishment certainly isn't. We preach it because it is in God's word. Jesus preached and warned about it. Please consider the following verse of scripture:

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Now, the word "Aion" translated "eternal" can mean a cycle of time, an age or eternal. It is the context that will determine its specific meaning in any given verse. In the verse above, the word "eternal" is used to describe the state of existence for both the righteous and the wicked. Since we know that eternal life is on-going existence in the joy of the Lord, then "eternal" would have to mean the same for those going into eternal punishment, which would have to be on-going existence in separation from God. Therefore, eternal punishment cannot mean annihilation or extinction. My point is that, you can't have eternal mean on-going existence for the righteous and then have it mean annihilation for the wicked.

Also regarding God's character, His love, grace and mercy, does not override his demand for righteous judgment. As I said earlier, God's grace and mercy are not in operation after a person dies in their sins, for their record is sealed at the time of death. Have you ever heard the legal phrase "throw the book at him?" Well, that is what is going to happen to all of those who have been accumulating in Sheol/Hades from the beginning of history. They will be accountable for every sin. Regarding judgment Jesus said that men will give an account for every careless word that they will speak.
 
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JohnOne said:
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.


Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
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What is the second death? and is there a first death?, and what happens when a person dies?
 
Ahwatukee

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MsSuzanna said:
I can provide other sources if youd like. I want you to be happy:)
But that doesnt mean Ill tickle tickle your ears though:( Sorry,I cant do that
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It never ceases to amaze me when people claim that what you are proclaiming is unscriptural, when scripture is the very place we are getting the information from. It either means that they have not studied it for themselves or because they have adopted a false teaching symbolizing the issue.
 
fredoheaven

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kedge said:
My brother in-law is a JW, according to their literature the governing body of JW's teach that hell is simply the abode of the dead, so they do believe in hell but not the same way as others have interpreted the meaning or context of the place.

The way I see it is if there is a everlasting torment in hellfire and a paradise heaven and if the unrighteous at death go to an everlasting hellfire and the righteous go to paradise heaven then there can be no resurrection of anyone, any resurrection is done away with because how can you resurrect anyone that is already been sent to a place at death?



The whole thing is convoluted
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That little "if" of yours is uncertainty and goes nowhere. That "if" thing makes it convoluted.
 
Ahwatukee

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Sirk said:
The notion of hell makes God an unjust sadistic fiend. There is no justice in a doctrine of hell.
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On the contrary Sirk, it is God's chosen justice. We has human beings would have to know exactly how God views sin in order to say that there is no justice. Do you know the level at which sin affects God? Do you know the mind of God?

"But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?"
 
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