Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

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Born_Again

Born_Again

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MsSuzanna said:
It seems? Well, it seems you dont fully understand me then. I dont water down the Bible.
I put forth the truth in the Bible. The only ones condemned are the ones who deny Christ.

You really shouldnt bear false witness against me
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HAHAHA I don't have to! Your posts all over this forum do that well enough.

I am in full support of not sugar coating the bible... However, screaming damnation to all is... ugh never mind... Keep doing what you are doing. God knows your heart. I could go on and on but you wont listen.

Have great night!
 
Born_Again

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Sirk said:
I'm asking you the question. Can I get a yes or no? Does a just loving merciful God keep someone conscious to torture them for eternity? Please and thank you. :)
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Well, its the "just" part. Because He is just. Atheist ask the same thing. "How can a loving God do this?" Its His law. He's unchanging. He doesn't get a kick out of it. It pains Him to see it... However, here comes the fun part.. Are there vessels created and destine for destruction?
 
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Born_Again said:
Well, its the "just" part. Because He is just. Atheist ask the same thing. "How can a loving God do this?" Its His law. He's unchanging. He doesn't get a kick out of it. It pains Him to see it... However, here comes the fun part.. Are there vessels created and destine for destruction?
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Thats a great question. God knew everything from the foundation of the world and created creatures that He knew He knew He would torture for eternity?
 
Ahwatukee

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Ya man....I was raised in church and I've read all these hundreds of times. Can you please answer the questions I have asked.

A just, merciful loving God willingly keeps people conscious for eternity to torture them?
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As I said earlier, God's love, grace and mercy are not in operation for those who have died rejecting Christ. While God's love, grace and mercy is still in operation for the living, it is not in operation for those who have died in there sins, which is an unreconciled state. Who are we to determine if and how God should or can punish people. Are we not the created beings? All I know is what God's word says and there is way too much information demonstrating that Sheol/Hades and the Lake of fire are literal places of eternal punishment.
 
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As I said earlier, God's love, grace and mercy are not in operation for those who have died rejecting Christ. While God's love, grace and mercy is still in operation for the living, it is not in operation for those who have died in there sins, which is an unreconciled state. Who are we to determine if and how God should or can punish people. Are we not the created beings? All I know is what God's word says and there is way too much information demonstrating that Sheol/Hades and the Lake of fire are literal places of eternal punishment.
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So thats a yes....God keeps people conscious for eternity to torture them?
 
MsSuzanna

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Born_Again said:
Well, to a degree.. yes.. However, it is certainly established that coming at them with that right out of the gate will not cause them to instantly repent.. It will only anger them more towards God. That's why its best to start with why you follow Christ.

We follow Christ because what He has and still does for us. Then you can get into the sinful nature part and what the wages for sin is.
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Actually, what you said is only half true. Christ mirrored the attitude he received. If he was slighted and the gospel of grace was thrown back at him he said this:
16the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death, a light has dawned.” 17From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”


 
MsSuzanna

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Born_Again said:
Well, its the "just" part. Because He is just. Atheist ask the same thing. "How can a loving God do this?" Its His law. He's unchanging. He doesn't get a kick out of it. It pains Him to see it... However, here comes the fun part.. Are there vessels created and destine for destruction?
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Romans 9....................
 
Bushido8000

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I think MsSuzanna NEEDS people to burn in Hell for eternity
 
Ahwatukee

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Sirk said:
Thats a great question. God knew everything from the foundation of the world and created creatures that He knew He knew He would torture for eternity?
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We could do one better and ask why God created that third of angels knowing that they were going to rebel with Satan against him. He could have just not created them and then they would not have existed to rebel against God and it would have also kept him from tempting Eve in the garden of Eden and possibly keeping mankind from his fall.
 
MsSuzanna

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Born_Again said:
HAHAHA I don't have to! Your posts all over this forum do that well enough.

I am in full support of not sugar coating the bible... However, screaming damnation to all is... ugh never mind... Keep doing what you are doing. God knows your heart. I could go on and on but you wont listen.

Have great night!
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Yes God does know my heart unlike you. But you are 33.You must know it all. I did when I was around your age:p
 
Bushido8000

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MsSuzanna said:
Thats not a very nice thing to say. In fact it was evil. If you do not quit with your insults I will start reporting you!!!:mad:
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It was evil and not a nice thing to say? In your opinion, why do you think that?
 
Ahwatukee

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Bushido8000 said:
I think MsSuzanna NEEDS people to burn in Hell for eternity
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No Bushido,

She is just contending for the truth of God's word as I do, regardless of the topic. There are too many people distorting the word of God these day and on every level. Personally, God has given me a zealous spirit for the truth and accuracy of His word, to correct, rebuke and contend, which is the same that msSuzanna is doing.
 
Bushido8000

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Ahwatukee said:
No Bushido,

She is just contending for the truth of God's word as I do, regardless of the topic. There are too many people distorting the word of God these day and on every level. Personally, God has given me a zealous spirit for the truth and accuracy of His word, to correct, rebuke and contend, which is the same that msSuzanna is doing.
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Mmmmm I don't think you follow MsSuzanna and Tinman's posts very much.
 
Sirk

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Ahwatukee said:
No Bushido,

She is just contending for the truth of God's word as I do, regardless of the topic. There are too many people distorting the word of God these day and on every level. Personally, God has given me a zealous spirit for the truth and accuracy of His word, to correct, rebuke and contend, which is the same that msSuzanna is doing.
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What if the notion of hell was a distortion? We do it today but they didn't do it when it was put together?
 
Ahwatukee

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Sirk said:
So thats a yes....God keeps people conscious for eternity to torture them?
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Yes, because as king David said after he committed adultery with Bathsheba, "I have sinned against you alone." All sin is against God and the price is high for dying in it. But the reward for excepting his salvation is much greater. I have no personal desire for people to be punished, but this is the punishment that God has described in his word and that's what I believe.
 
MsSuzanna

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Bushido8000 said:
Mmmmm I don't think you follow MsSuzanna and Tinman's posts very much.
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My husband hasnt been here for quite some time. He has nothing to do with it. You really are a foolish young man.
My posts are about the truth just as Ahwatukee said.
 
Sirk

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I'm going to bed. I hope ya'll put some thought into my questions and give me something I can really chew on. There appears to be a lot of wood, hay and straw in this thread.
 
Born_Again

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Wow, that was presumptuous. Age has nothing to do with theological knowledge. You can be 48 and not have it together. Don't think for a second wisdom comes with age where the Holy Spirit is concerned.
 
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