Here's the logic...

john832 · Jul 11, 2014

Pretty easy when you ignore scripture...

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So we need three days and three nights. How long is the daylight portion of a day...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Here Christ makes a distinction between day and night and says that the daylight portion of a day is 12 hours. so the authority says there is 12 hours in the day. Now if an evening and a morning is a day...

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

how long is the night portion? It doesn't take a mathematician to determine there are twelve hours in the night.

So, let's see how your count works out.

Christ was laid in the tomb at/about sunset. If He were buried on Friday then we have...

Friday night - 1 night 12 hours
Saturday day - 1 day 12 hours
Saturday night - 1 night 12 hours

and He arose sometime BEFORE sunrise...

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

So we have 2 nights and 1 day equaling 36 hours. What was it Christ said again? Oh yeah...

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now the truth of the matter is that Christ was crucified on Wednesday (the Passover, 31AD) buried at sunset...

Wednesday night = 1 night 12 hours
Thursday day = 1 day 12 hours
Thursday night = 1 night 12 hours
Friday day = 1 day 12 hours
Friday night = 1 night 12 hours
Saturday day = 1 day 12 hours

And He was resurrected at/about sunset on Saturday, the weekly Sabbath. You do know there was a weekly Sabbath and an annual Sabbath (the First Day of Unleavened Bread) involved in this count don't you?

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The weekly Sabbath is not a high day...

an high day. It was the first day of the Feast, the 15th Nisan. See Lev_23:6, Lev_23:7. Our Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset. See App-156. - E.W. Bullinger

So now we see three days and three nights with a burial at sunset on Wednesday and a resurrection at sunset on Saturday. We also see 72 hours.

Now about that three days and three nights from Friday sunset to before dawn on Sunday morning, you don't have a job that requires you to make change for customers, do you?

john832 · Jul 11, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

the original greek doesn't allow for your 'move the punctuation' games...it is even -clearer- and even more impossible to twist into meaning anything other than the fact that jesus rose on sunday...

here is the greek..."Anastas de proi prote sabbatou ephane proton Maria te Magdalene par hes ekbeblekei hepta daimonia."

and a word for word translation from an interlinear bible..."And rising early on the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary the Magdalene from whom he had expelled seven demons."

so this makes it absolutely crystal clear that jesus rose -on sunday-

of course this scriptural fact turns your modern 'wednesday crucifixion and seventy-two hours as timed on a stopwatch' doctrine into a self contradictory disaster...because then jesus would be in the tomb 'three days and -four- nights'...

but that poses no problem to -real- believers in scripture because all -we- have to do is dispense with any doctrine that doesn't agree with scripture...such as the one you are promoting here... but people like you who cling to unbiblical myths on the other hand have a tougher time...

Please show me the three days and three nights from Friday sunset to before dawn Sunday morning.

Hashe · Jul 11, 2014

So was Jesus in the heart of the earth? Interesting. Who else goes there when they die? Is that really literal?

john832 · Jul 11, 2014

Hashe said:

Can't count three days and three nights? Didn't think you could.

just-me · Jul 11, 2014

Hashe said:

Heavens No!!! Don't do that, just read all of what He said rather than the parts that contribute to falsehood.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.
Acts 24:10-14
10 Then Paul, after that the governor had beckoned unto him to speak , answered , Forasmuch as I know that thou hast been of many years a judge unto this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself:
11 Because that thou mayest understand , that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship .
12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people , neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:
13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Scuba · Jul 11, 2014

Hashe said:

How do you fit two Sabbaths in your reasoning?

Mary bought the spices after the high Sabbath, she prepared them and then rested on the seventh day Sabbath according to the fourth commandment. That means between the high Sabbath and the seventh day Sabbath there was a normal work day that allowed her to buy the spices. Do you see the problem when you believe a false doctrine, it causes the scriptures to contradict themselves.

just-me · Jul 11, 2014

Scuba said:

How do you fit two Sabbaths in your reasoning?

Mary bought the spices after the high Sabbath, she prepared them and then rested on the seventh day Sabbath according to the fourth commandment. That means between the high Sabbath and the seventh day Sabbath there was a normal work day that allowed her to buy the spices. Do you see the problem when you believe a false doctrine, it causes the scriptures to contradict themselves.

Excellent!! What you say is absolutely true.

john832 · Jul 11, 2014

Scuba said:

And we KNOW...

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

4enlightment · Jul 11, 2014

Hashe said:

Center of this earth means when all hell break loose on you. Before, Jesus was enjoying His times with the people, but then there's a time that all hell has came upon Him; even His very own had abandoned Him.

Ecclesiastes 3
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, ...

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 11, 2014

john832 said:

the 'three days and three nights' are not my problem...they are -your- problem...

the biblical time frame is already established beyond a shadow of a doubt...burial on friday afternoon...resurrection early sunday morning...

the problem is that -your interpretation- of the 'three days and three nights' doesn't fit this biblical time frame...

when your interpretation doesn't agree with scripture...your solution is to ignore scripture...my solution is to reject your unbiblical interpretation...

in the bible 'three days and three nights' does not mean 'seventy-two hours'...that is the answer...

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 11, 2014

Scuba said:

there is no need to assume there was a 'normal work day' in between jesus' death and resurrection...the women would have been able to buy spices immediately after sunset on saturday night...

just-me · Jul 11, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

The stores weren't open at night. LOL

chubbena · Jul 11, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

Didn't they prepare the spices before the Sabbath?

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 11, 2014

just-me said:

it was possible to buy things at night...see the parable of the ten virgins where the five wise virgins tell the five foolish virgins to go buy oil...this was after midnight...

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 11, 2014

chubbena said:

luke 23:56 says they went home and prepared spices right after jesus' burial...mark 16:1 says they bought spices when the sabbath was over...evidently they prepared some spices in the last hours before the sabbath began...and then bought more spices after the sabbath had ended...

Scuba · Jul 11, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

In the long run, it's easier to accept the truth than to twist it. God said the truth would be distorted. In order for this to happen changes need to be made to the word of God.

just-me · Jul 11, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

Jesus died 4 days before the weekly Sabbath, (the 14th) and the day before the High day Sabbath (the 15th) which was once a year. Jesus died the same day that the Passover Lamb was killed (Abib 14) The Passover happened that night which was the beginning of the 15th. The 15th of Abib/Nisan was the high day, and was classified as a Sabbath. The 15th is the day that Jesus was buried. The next day started at sundown. It took that long for Joseph to make the agreement with Pilate. The women prepared spices the day after the yearly Sabbath (the high day), and rested the next day after the spices were prepared which was the weekly Sabbath. This is confirmed in scripture. I can post the scriptures if anyone would want me to do that.

Kerry · Jul 11, 2014

You can't use logic with God, because God is illogical. God will tell you to start a business when you just bounced a check. God will say it's okay when the doc's have give up. God is illogical and therefore contains no logic. When Israel was between the red sea and the Egyptian army was it logical that the red sea would split and provide dry ground for there escape ( another type and shadow of the rapture). God talk in the flesh is crazy talk and has nothing to do with humanistic logic.

just-me · Jul 11, 2014

Kerry said:

We can expect things to be done His way. It''s called hope in the Bible, and we are saved by that hope. Kinda like what you mentioned about the "Red Sea."

Exodus 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still , and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.

MrsRoseTreasure · Jul 15, 2014

You are a liar, and a worker of iniquity. You are calling Messiah a sinner. You are saying he violated his Father's law, and he would never do that. He was the embodiment of that law. None of these passages have anything to do with dismissing the Sabbath. What a crock.

Please repent. Your soul is in danger, and with the words of your keyboard, you seek to drag others down your path of iniquity. Your lack of understanding of Yeshua's life and the world he lived in is appalling and you trying to dispute the Sabbath and convince others to sin is an abomination. Your ignorance of the true meaning of Paul's works and letters are revealed in every post, and the rude, sarcastic language you use shows not the fruit of the spirit, but the fruit of Satan. You are a lawless worker of iniquity seeking to lead others astray.

This is you:
“But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.” (Revelation 2:14).

The day will come when you will be judged. That day is coming speedily. Please humble yourself and hear the truth. At the very least, please stop leading others astray. If you can't be a light, at least stop spreading the darkness.

RachelBibleStudent said:

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