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homwardbound

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Oh I agree whole heartedly.

but does this mean we should not do what God commands us to do..

if our so called christian friends are being judgmental. should we not disciple them into gods love? and if our church does not take care of it, should we not find another church who does practice this humble love
EG that depends on ones calling by God through the Holy Ghost. Abrham's calling, Noah's calling and many others we all do have differant callings, and it is up to us to see and understand God Called each of us as a common denominator LOVE his type 1 Cor.13 that he desires to implant in each and every believer actually has just not all are aware of this so they can't perform, still deceived by the lies of man, because of all the Hypocrisy that still goes on today. Man is a great Actor being evil having fake fruit can masquerade well until one that truly believes takes a bite and gets a mouthful of wax
 

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And that is my fault? Can I just have friends or is that to much to ask for Christianity?

EDIT: Note I said Christianity not G-d.
Christianity is notrhing more than a man-made word that makes a person feel good I am a Christian and you get a mouthful of wax, I am this denomination or this I am write you are wrong mentality is carnal and not Spiritual at all
 

homwardbound

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lol.. can I ask you a question? what does having non christian friends have to do with God commanding us to be assembling ourselves together, and building each other up and discipline each other? which is what I am trying to discuss..

have I said we should not have non christian friends? how can we lead people to christ if we do not go into the world and make non christian friends?

that is not what we are talking about though.

I am talking about getting together with my brothers and sisters. confessing my sin to them so they can help me (not judge me) also being their for them. when they need help.. which from what I see. does not happen in MOST CHURCHES.

this is not a catholic non catholic issue, I am just stating what I see in ALOT of churches..
This is because all building Churches are man-made and not from the source and maybe they started out that way. But today who would walk into their congregation and confess they just had lustful thoughts of one of the Sisters there in that Church or even in private to the Pastor without fear of?
The true church actually Ecclesia where Zoe life is born again is in Heaven where the believers are made citizens of
[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]King James Version (KJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Hebrews 12:23
You have gathered there with God’s children who were born long ago. They are citizens of heaven. God is there. He will judge all men. The spirits of all those right with God are there. They have been made perfect.

The ones that believe God at his word all of it are and have become tihs above
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG that depends on ones calling by God through the Holy Ghost. Abrham's calling, Noah's calling and many others we all do have differant callings, and it is up to us to see and understand God Called each of us as a common denominator LOVE his type 1 Cor.13 that he desires to implant in each and every believer actually has just not all are aware of this so they can't perform, still deceived by the lies of man, because of all the Hypocrisy that still goes on today. Man is a great Actor being evil having fake fruit can masquerade well until one that truly believes takes a bite and gets a mouthful of wax
thats why God made a body, all of different parts..

but if the body is not together ALL the time, the parts are useless.

think of your own body. what good would it be if the head, arms and feet were only together one day a week for only a few hours.. or maybe two days a week. what good would it be for you?
 
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Charlie again thank you and now remember what Koing David said after coming to Faith in God he had had sex with Bathsheba a married woman, she got pregnant so he had her Hushand Uriah killed by having him put on the front line in war. King David was King of Israel and he had to hide his sins accordingly to look good in front of others. The people couldn't know his sins he would be an outcast. This is still going on today people hiding behind closed doors and God knows. So here comes a Prophet of God before the Chrsit has come to bring in a new Covenant. THe Prophet is Nathaniel and he in front of King David exposes King Davids sins, and tihs was done in private. Now King David could have continued in his privately held sins and killed Nathaniel and kept his secrets secret. But He did not and repented and realised his sins were against God himself. And God accepted King David because David turned to Faith and trusted God form that day forward
Now remember David when he was a koid he also before being King by Faith killed Goliath with a sling shot. So we all go through trials and tribulations and God is looking for Faith in God like King Davis and Abraham and Noah and on and on to Saul who became Paul
Anyway King David after all these experiences and finally 100% trusting God said this before the cross
Psalm 100:4Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
David looking forward to the croos where the law can't stop him from this any longer for Christ pays the price and today has for all that beleive waht an amazing salvation this is to those that walk by faioth and see this truth and how can one not be thankful
Just want to say, that King David would have to be my favorite person in the Old Testament. The faith and mercy that this man showed was beautiful, and something for all of us to ponder on. I particularly loved the way that he ran from his son in order that he wouldn't have to kill him. He reduced himself in the eyes of man for the sake of love and mercy, in turn growing magnificently in the eyes of God!!! That, my friends, is a man with faith!!!
 
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This is because all building Churches are man-made and not from the source and maybe they started out that way. But today who would walk into their congregation and confess they just had lustful thoughts of one of the Sisters there in that Church or even in private to the Pastor without fear of?
The true church actually Ecclesia where Zoe life is born again is in Heaven where the believers are made citizens of
Hebrews 8

King James Version (KJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Hebrews 12:23
You have gathered there with God’s children who were born long ago. They are citizens of heaven. God is there. He will judge all men. The spirits of all those right with God are there. They have been made perfect.

The ones that believe God at his word all of it are and have become tihs above
Heb 10: 19-22-
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, [SUP]20 [/SUP]by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, [SUP]21 [/SUP]and having a High Priest over the house of God, [SUP]22 [/SUP]let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

If through the blood of Christ we can boldly enter Gods presence with ALL our sin. with faith and assurance.

why would we have to worry about entering our church body with the same boldness.. why should we fear anything?

 
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lol.. It depends on how you look at it.

Since eternal life could be had in pauls day the same as eternal life can be had today. (timothy had the FULL knowledge of the gospel as a kid. long before Paul started his ministry) are their any traditions the Roman church holds which must be done to receive eternal life that are not found in scripture?


which is the point I am trying to make. lets set aside traditions which do not have anything to do with receiving eternal life. they are not worth causing contention.
Hmmm, brother, I see the point the point you are trying to make, and its a good one, given the point of view you follow. The reason why we will never agree on this is because the Catholic Church doesn't go on Scripture alone. For me to answer you question (which would be a yes) would mean going so far into it to try and explain it in a way where you can see it from our perspective. And just like sola-scriptura doesn't make sense to me, my point wouldn't make sense to you. We would be discussing a topic from two different worlds, with the only common denominator being that Jesus is our Savior, which is in itself a beautiful thing if it makes us brothers in His name. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to avoid the question. Its just that one thing I've learnt on this site is that you (being anyone who is non-Catholic) will never see my point, and I will never see your's. Hmmm mate, I'm not even satisfied with my own reply!!! haha
 
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Hmmm, brother, I see the point the point you are trying to make, and its a good one, given the point of view you follow. The reason why we will never agree on this is because the Catholic Church doesn't go on Scripture alone. For me to answer you question (which would be a yes) would mean going so far into it to try and explain it in a way where you can see it from our perspective. And just like sola-scriptura doesn't make sense to me, my point wouldn't make sense to you. We would be discussing a topic from two different worlds, with the only common denominator being that Jesus is our Savior, which is in itself a beautiful thing if it makes us brothers in His name. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to avoid the question. Its just that one thing I've learnt on this site is that you (being anyone who is non-Catholic) will never see my point, and I will never see your's. Hmmm mate, I'm not even satisfied with my own reply!!! haha
its ok.

My point is simply. Can scripture alone give us the knowledge necessary to recieve eternal life.
 
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its ok.

My point is simply. Can scripture alone give us the knowledge necessary to recieve eternal life.
Oh, wow. No, I didn't see that point lol. And that is a BRILLIANT question!!!! Can I get back to you on that, please? I know it seems like a simple question, but something tells me the answer is not so simple. Very interesting.
 
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Oh, wow. No, I didn't see that point lol. And that is a BRILLIANT question!!!! Can I get back to you on that, please? I know it seems like a simple question, but something tells me the answer is not so simple. Very interesting.
lol.. Sure..

My point was not to slam traditions outside of scripture which have nothing to do with salvation (which alot of people do) . that is a waste of discussion and faulty arguments which will get us no where and just divide us..

But to get to the point of salvation..
 
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lol.. Sure..

My point was not to slam traditions outside of scripture which have nothing to do with salvation (which alot of people do) . that is a waste of discussion and faulty arguments which will get us no where and just divide us..

But to get to the point of salvation..
Amen!!!!!! (I hate this 10 letter minimum lol should be 4 letter minimum for Amen on a Christian website)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Amen!!!!!! (I hate this 10 letter minimum lol should be 4 letter minimum for Amen on a Christian website)
lol. I know. I wonder how many times I just said this. and got the warning.. then say wow, all i wanted to do was say amen!!
 
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EG, I just tried putting my head down and couldn't help think about your question haha thanks alot!! But I came to this conclusion. Look, I think Scripture alone can give us enough knowledge to receive eternal life. But we come back to the same dilemma I pointed out earlier in this thread. How do we know which Bible is the right translation? You have to admit, there are some major differences between the different Bibles. And for me to go by my own understanding of the Bible means I would have to learn ancient Greek and Aramaic to understand what context they were speaking in to get the fullness of the meaning! Do you not agree?? Do I think it contains enough knowledge for salvation? Yes. Do I think I can understand it enough to receive that knowledge? No. But I really think there is so much more to that question to be thought about. It really isn't that simple. I don't think anyway. Because everyone interprets the Bible differently. Hmmm tough one. Thanx again..........FOR NOTHING!!!! hahaha jk Love you brother. God bless you. AND TAKE AWAY YOUR SLEEP LIKE YOU JUST DID MINE!!!! lol
 
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EG, I just tried putting my head down and couldn't help think about your question haha thanks alot!! But I came to this conclusion. Look, I think Scripture alone can give us enough knowledge to receive eternal life. But we come back to the same dilemma I pointed out earlier in this thread. How do we know which Bible is the right translation? You have to admit, there are some major differences between the different Bibles. And for me to go by my own understanding of the Bible means I would have to learn ancient Greek and Aramaic to understand what context they were speaking in to get the fullness of the meaning! Do you not agree?? Do I think it contains enough knowledge for salvation? Yes. Do I think I can understand it enough to receive that knowledge? No. But I really think there is so much more to that question to be thought about. It really isn't that simple. I don't think anyway. Because everyone interprets the Bible differently. Hmmm tough one. Thanx again..........FOR NOTHING!!!! hahaha jk Love you brother. God bless you. AND TAKE AWAY YOUR SLEEP LIKE YOU JUST DID MINE!!!! lol
lol you make some good points. to which I have some more questions too.. But I will let you get some sleep.. tell me when would be a good time to ask. i do not want you to lose more sleep :p
 
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lol you make some good points. to which I have some more questions too.. But I will let you get some sleep.. tell me when would be a good time to ask. i do not want you to lose more sleep :p
I reckon probably tomorrow night. And thanks for being so considerate after taking away any chance I had of sleeping anyway lol. Hope to see you on tomorrow, Brother. Goodnight.
 
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I reckon probably tomorrow night. And thanks for being so considerate after taking away any chance I had of sleeping anyway lol. Hope to see you on tomorrow, Brother. Goodnight.
Goodnight,, and may you sleep well
 

homwardbound

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thats why God made a body, all of different parts..

but if the body is not together ALL the time, the parts are useless.

think of your own body. what good would it be if the head, arms and feet were only together one day a week for only a few hours.. or maybe two days a week. what good would it be for you?
Yes understood, not all are an arm, or an eye, but since most are not or do not believe that by Christ belief in Christ that the are transferred from death to life and have a new Head not physical, not mental, Spiritual and the body old one has no choice but to follow the head which is Christ. The word call for us to be dead to the self our flesh and believe t5his is here and now and thus alive to Christ in order to be led by Christ throught The Holy Ghost and Father.
Butt his world has convinced the people majority, first that they need more forgiveness that Christ did not die for all when Christ did.
They use words of worldly wisdom to d o their convincing just as in the day of the Galatians about okay Christ yeah okay it is good , But. Now as soon as someone says But they have just discounted everything they said prior to the But, and the Galatians fell into the trap of adding Circumciscion to the Gospel just as most of this society has fallen into the trap of asking for more forgiveness from God when God already took all and forgave all the whole world at the cross.
Now to prove it, find anywhere in the New Tesatament after the death of Christ on the cross anywhere that any apostle told or said to anyone to get more forgiveness if they sin.
Now I know we are not forgiven for any future sins and this is where the hypocrisy has anhilated Believers into not believing and ar actually working towards their salvation through self effort, trying to please God and people by what they are doing insted of trusting God back at the cross that first they are 100% forgiven before any of us are born and then wea re made alive by God after finalizing the cross and all credit goes to God.
Now about any future sins that are not forgiven actually are forgiven but not until they are committed:
2 Peter 1:9But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.

How soon are any sins past? before you can blink an eye. Now knowing this that God did and does LOVE you this much and that there is nothing more anyone can do we are saved by faith in the whole truth not a half truth. THen here and now we have new life a new mindset seeoing things from God's vantage point in a thankfuklness that won't stop receiving the unnatural love into our new selfs as describred in 1 Cor 13. Not ever calling God a liar again and saying thankyou for the forgiveness if one does sin and the propensity to do so is always there, this why we can approach the throne of grace in confidence because brotheres and sisters we have an advocate JESUS CHRIST THE righteous. We are partakers in this, we do not have this as oursbecause whenever we do we get proud, boastfull and think we are something that we are not
Hopoe to have helped to see truth

And the followiong verse is before the cross David seeing afar and praying for Christ to make it to the cross and reedem the whole world but salvation is not in the redemption salvation is in the life the resurrection but death needed firat your belief that by the cross you are dead with Christ at the cross and brought back to life by God the Father as God did already for Jesus. This is not done daily this is done and you are alive, just don't forget this
Psalm 79:8Do not hold against us the sins of past generations; may your mercy come quickly to meet us, for we are in desperate need
And God has done this at the cross
Romans 7:4So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Romans 6:10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
 

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Just want to say, that King David would have to be my favorite person in the Old Testament. The faith and mercy that this man showed was beautiful, and something for all of us to ponder on. I particularly loved the way that he ran from his son in order that he wouldn't have to kill him. He reduced himself in the eyes of man for the sake of love and mercy, in turn growing magnificently in the eyes of God!!! That, my friends, is a man with faith!!!
And Today Charlie this is oyu by belief and me by belief God gets all the credit this miraculous salvation is done by God through the cross the dividing line of human history and this spreads out ot the whole world as a gift of life to all that will believe
 

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Heb 10: 19-22-
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, [SUP]20 [/SUP]by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, [SUP]21 [/SUP]and having a High Priest over the house of God, [SUP]22 [/SUP]let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

If through the blood of Christ we can boldly enter Gods presence with ALL our sin. with faith and assurance.

why would we have to worry about entering our church body with the same boldness.. why should we fear anything?
YES, YES and YES again that is what God is all about he has taken our fear and nailed it to the cross, for this perfect love casts out all fear. I can bolodly tell the truth of God and God getting all the credit YES< YES, and YES again THank ytou Father for the 100% forgiveness before I was ever born noiw Fsather teach ne how to walk in trust oif you and thus becasuse of you =not sin and if I do you are right here topick me up again as a babylearns towalk so am I now.
And Father says yes my Son/ Daughter Yes I will teach and can now that you know you are forgiven and that provision is provided at the cross it is done. So here Son/ Daughter step into my kingdom can you see when King Daviud stepped into his courts it was after the redemption he was held in purgatory and then Christ preached to the Spirits in prison opf the past before this dividfing line of human history ever took place the cross. And David had forsaw this when he wrote
Psalm 100:4Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name.