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Go back and look at a thread where someone was presenting a bad idea, where you and your friends stood up against some heresy. Ask yourself - How could we have better presented our ideas in a form where someone coming in at ANY point and reading two or three consecutive threads would have gotten the gist of our ideas (not the furor of our emotions)?
1. Each thread should include a complete idea 1. The Heresy 2. Polite rebuttal
2. Respect the person, refute the bad idea
3. ask questions to make sure you know their real position and its not just a miscommunication.
4. goal is to present God's truth not win an argument
5. Keep it brief and truthful
6. know when to disengage
7. use scripture
1. Each thread should include a complete idea 1. The Heresy 2. Polite rebuttal
2. Respect the person, refute the bad idea
3. ask questions to make sure you know their real position and its not just a miscommunication.
4. goal is to present God's truth not win an argument
5. Keep it brief and truthful
6. know when to disengage
7. use scripture
Yes, it sounds great. but who decides what is heresy?
Is heresy based on contradicting the orthodox churches view on a subject?
Or is heresy plainly contradicting scripture? (no offence meant to 'orthodoxy)
Do people who follow what may be described as 'orthodoxy' have the right to tell others they are heretics according to their beliefs alone?
What is heresy actually based on?
Have people who follow the official Trinitarian churches line got a monopoly on what is heretical and what is not?
And if they have, should all non orthodox Trinitarians be automatically stopped from being members of this website?
Is heresy based on contradicting the orthodox churches view on a subject?
Or is heresy plainly contradicting scripture? (no offence meant to 'orthodoxy)
Do people who follow what may be described as 'orthodoxy' have the right to tell others they are heretics according to their beliefs alone?
What is heresy actually based on?
Have people who follow the official Trinitarian churches line got a monopoly on what is heretical and what is not?
And if they have, should all non orthodox Trinitarians be automatically stopped from being members of this website?
Understand, crossnote, that those Jews in Berea whom you hinge your denial of the Roman Catholic Church on became members of the Church governed by the central authority of the apostles - led by Peter - in Jerusalem at the time. The same Church of the apostles which in the years that followed re-settled it's leadership in Rome with Peter, and exists there still today.
Satan attacks that Church with great fury, naturally, and always has. So if you are waiting for its leadership on earth (or any man for that matter) to set an example of human perfection for you then you will never realize the true wonder of the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church which was established by our Lord Jesus Christ himself and - despite the shortcomings of man - has stood for 2000 years and always will, just as our Lord promised.
"And I tell you that you are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
THAT is the authority on earth given to Peter and his appointed successors (and none other) by Christ himself.
Glory to God in the highest.
Satan attacks that Church with great fury, naturally, and always has. So if you are waiting for its leadership on earth (or any man for that matter) to set an example of human perfection for you then you will never realize the true wonder of the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church which was established by our Lord Jesus Christ himself and - despite the shortcomings of man - has stood for 2000 years and always will, just as our Lord promised.
"And I tell you that you are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
THAT is the authority on earth given to Peter and his appointed successors (and none other) by Christ himself.
Glory to God in the highest.
Maynard
A true church is a church where the Holy Spirit is present, and He is non denominational
And IMHO these websites do not broadly reflect the average churchgoer/s, so to use internet websites as a reason to say there is only one true denominational church(yours) is well, a bit naughty to say the least
A true church is a church where the Holy Spirit is present, and He is non denominational
And IMHO these websites do not broadly reflect the average churchgoer/s, so to use internet websites as a reason to say there is only one true denominational church(yours) is well, a bit naughty to say the least
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Mynard
James, not Peter was the head of the Jerusalem church. And when the leaders of that church met Paul and Barnabas to discuss which Jewish laws the Gentiles be asked to keep, it was James advice that was accepted, not Peter's.
So if Peter was the first pope, and we follow the example of what happened then, would that mean that the Pope's view need not, or should not always be followed, or be expected to be followed?
BTW
At that meeting, why were the Ten commandments not mentioned?
James, not Peter was the head of the Jerusalem church. And when the leaders of that church met Paul and Barnabas to discuss which Jewish laws the Gentiles be asked to keep, it was James advice that was accepted, not Peter's.
So if Peter was the first pope, and we follow the example of what happened then, would that mean that the Pope's view need not, or should not always be followed, or be expected to be followed?
BTW
At that meeting, why were the Ten commandments not mentioned?
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At the end of his first epistle St. Peter writes: "Your sister church in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you greetings; and so does my son mark" (1 Pet. 5:13). St. Peter used Babylon here as an early christian codeword for Rome.
St. John also uses the term Babylon in the book of Revelation six times in the same way:
"Then another angel, a second, followed, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" (v. 14:8)
"The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. God remembered great Babylon and gave her the wine cup of the fury of His wrath" (v. 16:9)
"...and on her forehead was written a name, a mystery: Babylon the great, mother of whores and of earth's abominations" (v. 17:5)
" He called out with a mighty voice, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great" (v. 18:2)
"... they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, Alas, alas, the great city, Babylon, the mighty city! For in one hour your judgement has come" (v. 18:10)
" With such violence Babylon the great city will be thrown down, and will be found no more" (v. 18:21)
Babylon in the book of Revelation can only refer to Rome as it was the only "great city" in the time of Christ and the Apostles. Babylon proper in Mesopotamia had, by 100 AD, been reduced to insignificance. Other extra-biblical works also refer to Rome as Babylon, such as the Sybylline Oracles (5:159ff), the Apocalypse of Baruch (2:1), and 4 Esdras (3:1).
Guys, Christ prayed that His church would be united. The only Church in the world that has not got multiple branches is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which can be traced right back to the time it was founded BY CHRIST through St. Peter, following his successors. This can't be argued. Maynard was right when he quoted that the gates of Hades will not prevail. It IS the only Church that has not been split, but has just had people leave (although many millions are coming back when they discover the fullness of Christ's truth in it). God bless!
St. John also uses the term Babylon in the book of Revelation six times in the same way:
"Then another angel, a second, followed, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" (v. 14:8)
"The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. God remembered great Babylon and gave her the wine cup of the fury of His wrath" (v. 16:9)
"...and on her forehead was written a name, a mystery: Babylon the great, mother of whores and of earth's abominations" (v. 17:5)
" He called out with a mighty voice, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great" (v. 18:2)
"... they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, Alas, alas, the great city, Babylon, the mighty city! For in one hour your judgement has come" (v. 18:10)
" With such violence Babylon the great city will be thrown down, and will be found no more" (v. 18:21)
Babylon in the book of Revelation can only refer to Rome as it was the only "great city" in the time of Christ and the Apostles. Babylon proper in Mesopotamia had, by 100 AD, been reduced to insignificance. Other extra-biblical works also refer to Rome as Babylon, such as the Sybylline Oracles (5:159ff), the Apocalypse of Baruch (2:1), and 4 Esdras (3:1).
Guys, Christ prayed that His church would be united. The only Church in the world that has not got multiple branches is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which can be traced right back to the time it was founded BY CHRIST through St. Peter, following his successors. This can't be argued. Maynard was right when he quoted that the gates of Hades will not prevail. It IS the only Church that has not been split, but has just had people leave (although many millions are coming back when they discover the fullness of Christ's truth in it). God bless!
In my youth I went to a Pentecostal church. They believed they were the only true church as they believed they followed what happened at Pentecost and they fully accepted the gifts of the Spirit for today. whereas in other denominations there are some who do and some who don't.
Guess what the ministers favourite sermon was?
Attacking a certain denomination!
I took a catholic friend once to the church, I had to smile at the converstaion that took place afterwards between him and one of the ministers. He decided not to go back!
Guess what the ministers favourite sermon was?
Attacking a certain denomination!
I took a catholic friend once to the church, I had to smile at the converstaion that took place afterwards between him and one of the ministers. He decided not to go back!