How did we get to the massacre in Las Vegas?

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Apostasy: The days in which we now live.

The scripture says, "In the last days perilous times shall come." (This speaks of difficult dangerous times, which Christians living just before the Rapture will encounter.)

These things will increase!





We have entered a time when level one problems will not be able to be solve with level one thinking. The only answer to sin, problems, and circumstances, that brings Grace for solutions and deliverance is Faith placed exclusively in Jesus Christ and His Finished Work. This is the only way to solve this chaos, get answers and for the Lord to rebuke the devourer. This is victory over the sin, the world, the flesh, and the devil.

2 Chronicles 7:14 King James Version (KJV)[SUP]14 [/SUP]If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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I posted this in this forum to discuss how Christians are supposed to be a witness to the world, and also resist Satan. The rhetorical question is 'have we missed something, or ministered the wrong stuff?' Chaos is world wide, and it's getting worse every day.
A predicted outcome in the bible....evil men and seducers waxing worse and worse.....very perilous times Paul said.........the outcome of unchecked sin in the world!
 

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Allow my moment out of lucidity.

If the attack is from God against non-believers, it is punishment.

If it is against belivers, they are being tested.

Back to lucidity. Out tax dollars have funded killing many known to be called "collateral damage." Murder is murder. It is hardly heated battle killing innocent men, women and childre in Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq.......etc. Perhaps if the killing in Las Vegas were labeled collateral damage all would be just fine.

Kiliing anywhere is wrong. Tell me Jesus wants us to kill people in His name, and I will tell you you are in the dark.

Now you got me going. Those wonderful people who will fight to the death to maintain their right to bear arms...included in the constitution to assure the colonial Americans they could fight the oppression of the mother nation, England, ae the same people who claim they believe in the US and God.

If they believed both they would uphold the Constitutions inclusion of freedom of religion which covers people believing what they have been given the freedo to choose, even if it is atheism.

These people who claim to be religious on this point of freedom of religion have locked arms with varied other denominations with who they ordinarlity would not have anything to do with, even shun, in order to deprive the nation of this consstitutional right to belie what they are free to derive from their own life experience.

I love Jesus christ as my God and Savior, and it would tickle me pink if all were the same,but while they are not I am not put in anyu position by my Lord and god, Jesus, to oppress them or anyone.

Get crackin'' and get into the Love that is God......It explains all.
 
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The " dead" sandy hook massacre children were at the superbowl halftime show.

...and honored in front of the crowd. The parents of the "dead" children were laughing off camera.

About 100 houses had their mortgage paid in full surrounding the school. Free houses from the government to go along with the fake "massacre"

9 - 11 was done by the gov. The towers were taken down with thermite. You can see the molten steel with sparks pouring from the building.


Before the Las Vegas massacre. A " Hispanic couple" (Muslims?) were removed from the property telling revelers" you are all going to die"

absolutely nothing you say above is anything but conspiracy theory

including the couple at the Vegas show...which may or may not have happened


and of course no one walked on the moon either :rolleyes:
 
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Americans are more concerned with gay cakes than gun control.
maybe some people understand that scorning the natural laws put in effect by their Creator leads to some of the chaos

as far as gun control goes, like my husband says, ban all forks cause they make people fat :p
 

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Killing anywhere is wrong.

Yes killing is wrong, but what does the bible say to do about someone
who "commits murder" ? and how can we help prevent more such murders?
 
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Here's why we are in the mess we're in now.

They legislated God out of school and Satan waltzed in. Now humanism is being taught. One teacher the other day said ppl who said what they have they worked for it is racist.

Ppl want freedom from religion and Satan is running the show now.[2 Cor. 4:4](granted, he can only go as far as God allows)

That's why we're where we're at now. Ppl are getting what they want. Sadly, they don't realize it.

Romans 1 enacted brought to you by fallen human beings who thumb their nose at their Creator

this is what godless people do in their 'spare' time
 

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All that ever could be done for murderers, and all that could be done to prevent murders was accomplished on the cross.

Of course that did not stop all manner of evil at one time for all are not chosen but it shows sthe chose how to conduct himself/herself.





Romans 1 enacted brought to you by fallen human beings who thumb their nose at their Creator

this is what godless people do in their 'spare' time
 

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All that ever could be done for murderers, and all that could be done to prevent murders was accomplished on the cross.

Of course that did not stop all manner of evil at one time for all are not chosen but it shows sthe chose how to conduct himself/herself.


Yes killing is wrong, but what does the bible say to do about someone
who "commits murder" ? and how can we help prevent more such murders?
 

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Do you know Jesus even favored the death penalty ?


The Old Testament of the Bible speaks with perfect plainness on the issue of capital punishment:
“He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death” (Exodus 21:12).


Genesis 9:6 and Leviticus 24:17 also give full authority to those sitting in judgment to execute a
murderer. Deuteronomy 19:11-13 commands unsparing punishment for such a killer: “…deliver him
into the hand of the AVENGER OF BLOOD, that he may die. Thine eye SHALL NOT PITY HIM,
but thou shalt PUT AWAY THE GUILT of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.”


Strong words, those. The God of the Old Testament clearly favored the death penalty.
The scriptures show that Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament.
In the New Testament book of Romans, God REAFFIRMS that authority:


“Let every soul be subject unto the governing authorities. For there is no authority except
from God, and the authorities that exist [speaking of man’s governments and courts] are
appointed by God.… For he [a government or court official] is God’s minister [“servant”
or “magistrate” in some translations] to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he
does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an AVENGER TO EXECUTE
WRATH on him who practices evil” (Romans 13:1-4; New King James Version).


The God of love tells us in such scriptures as Hebrews 12:5-6 that for our own good those who
commit wrong must be corrected. Correction is the God-given means to prevent crime and other
problems. Using strong correction FORCES CHANGE in criminals convicted of lesser offenses
and eliminates entirely the threat of those convicted of violent crimes such as murder.

“Punishment, when meted out in the proper manner, and at the proper time, is one of the
greatest blessings a human being—at any age—can receive!” The reason is that if we do
not receive correction, we will proceed on a course to our own destruction (Proverbs 14:12).


Through correction, God can steer us in the path toward a happy, fulfilled life.

Many people reject God’s clear commandments involving implementation of the death penalty.
And though the death penalty was reinstated by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1976, Americans have
demenstrated a fear to sternly correct evildoers, and are vacillating in their determination to use
the God-given option of executing people for horrible wrongs.


As the late FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover once stated about our modern permissive society,
we have “substituted INDULGENCE for discipline.” The result is that our prisons are full
to overflowing and our society is inundated in violent crime.


Discipline Promptly


In Proverbs 19:18, God gives us the principle that applies to disobedient children, juvenile delinquents
or hardened criminals. We are told, “Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for
his crying” (Proverbs 19:18). There comes a point for an undisciplined child when there is no (or very
little) hope of correcting bad behavior. Often, a delinquent—and finally a hardened criminal—will result
because the parents were too soft during their child’s early years, when they had the greatest hope of
curbing the child’s self-centered and destructive ways.


As parents and as a society, we are not to “spare for his crying” by lessening the punishment. Proverbs
13:24 admonishes us, “He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him DISCIPLINES HIM
PROMPTLY” (NKJV). For the good of society and the individual, swift, stern justice must be meted
out when wrongs are brought to light.


Ecclesiastes 8:11 tells us the importance of swift punishment when it says, “Because sentence against
an evil work is not EXECUTED SPEEDILY, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them
to DO EVIL.” How clear and wise! When wrongdoing is not immediately punished, then all or almost
all of the deterrent value to any subsequent punishment is lost!


As for determining a person’s guilt, there is only one biblical rule: “Whoever kills a person, the
murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but one witness is not sufficient
testimony against a person for the death penalty” (Numbers 35:30). Deuteronomy 17:6 agrees:
“Whoever is worthy of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses,
but he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness” .


In God’s eyes, repeated reprieves and appeals—and now, insistence upon DNA testing to
verify guilt—should not be necessary for death-row inmates.


Ezra 7:26 guides us toward speedy response to crime by stating, “And whosoever will not do the
law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be
unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.”


The criminal mind does not respect authority. The only thing such a person respects is equal or
stronger FORCE! And when that strong force is used immediately to severely punish an offender,
it makes others of like mind think twice before acting likewise.


However, once again, the liberal element in our society says there is little deterrent value in
punishments such as the death penalty. They have a point—but only because of how hesitant
our courts are to use the death penalty!


The Deterrence Factor


No sane man or woman wants to put another person to death. It is understandable to have
a certain degree of pity for someone who is going to die, even if he or she deserves to die.


People who commit crimes are promised a fair trial—NOT a perfect trial. Yet so many of the
habeas corpus appeals (many of which amount to little more than stalling tactics) are procedural
and/or frivolous in nature, nit-picking the court over minor imperfections in court procedure.


Flawed humans will make mistakes. But that must not stop us from following God’s plain commands!
A swift death penalty was intended by our Creator to deter or restrain additional people from com-
mitting the sin of murder. To stop or delay the death penalty because the courts are afraid of making
a mistake is direct disobedience to God and His laws!


Many a career criminal has already proven he cannot “make it” in normal society; and if he murders,
rapes, robs and commits general mayhem, SO WHAT? He knows he’ll be provided food and shelter
for the rest of his life so that he never has to work again!


Why should he fear to kill? Even though he probably murdered unmercifully, the “merciful” liberals
will see to it that HIS life is spared so that the taxpayers can support him for the next 20, 40 or 60
years in a prison environment where he is “somebody”—a “man among men” so to speak!

We must not get softer on crime, we must get tougher!


The book of Proverbs states, “When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise,”
and “Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware” (Proverbs 21:11; 19:25). People can
learn vicariously from the experiences of others!


The deterrent effect of the death penalty is muted because of current practices. But even
basic understanding of human nature tells us that, if administered properly, the death penalty
would have a significant deterrent effect!
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/406.2.25.0/religion/bible/the-merciful-death-penalty
 

JaumeJ

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I believe Jesus when He was in His agony asking the Father to forgive them (his murderers all of us) for they know not what they do.

I believe Him when He tells us the important points of the law, three of them, are mercy, fiath and justice..and I believe I udnerstand whyu.

I believe Jesus when He tells uks with teh juidgment we mete out we shall be judged.

I believe the teaching that there is only one sin beyond forgiveness....and that is only a possibility as taught.

I do not want to judge anyone to condemnation of death or of teh eteral fire, because I do not want that same judgement for having sinned.

If a person breaks one point of the law he is guilty of breaking all of the law. This lesson is extreme and extrememly im0portant for all who love Jesus and rely o His Blood to understand and to practice.
 

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If a person breaks one point of the law he is guilty of breaking all of the law. This lesson is extreme and extrememly im0portant for all who love Jesus and rely o His Blood to understand and to practice.
So, isn't it a GREAT thing that we, as believers in Jeus, are not UNDER the law any more? So, we don't have to worry about "breaking even one point of the law".....

Praise God!
 

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Jesus Christ promised, “I will come again” (John 14:3).
but before He returns, Gods anger will be unleased on the earth. why?


And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead,
that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants
the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great;

and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Revelation 11:18

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And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men,
because they have sinned against the Lord: Zephaniah 1:17.
 

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Do you still believe the obedient children of God should not pay attention to His will? Of course I am not under the law, but because of the new nature given to us we who beieve and have received the Holy Spirit are only to glad and willing to be obedient.



So, isn't it a GREAT thing that we, as believers in Jeus, are not UNDER the law any more? So, we don't have to worry about "breaking even one point of the law".....

Praise God!
 

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The one who became Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament
who demanded death for murderers! Hebrews 13:8 tells us,
“Jesus Christ [is] the same yesterday, today, and forever.”

Furthermore, that same unchanging Jesus Christ said in Matthew 26:52,
“for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”

Likewise, Jesus Christ inspired the Apostle John (Revelation 1:1) to write in
Revelation 13:10, “he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.”
 

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Do you still believe the obedient children of God should not pay attention to His will? Of course I am not under the law, but because of the new nature given to us we who beieve and have received the Holy Spirit are only to glad and willing to be obedient.
Silly question.... of course I believe we should pay attention to his will (look at my signature)

that is why I reject the whole premise of having to keep all the nit-picky points of the Law.

We are not under the Law.
 

JaumeJ

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jIf you are saying I have ev er said we must obey all 611 of the laws, you are truly a liar.

If you are sying because you ive in grace you are permitted to kill or be disrespectful of your parents or of God, then you are walking in darkness.

This thread though is about the killing in Las Vegas.

I see you have come to bring up the subject of obedience again.

The Father prefers obedience to sacrifice. Your rema4rk on !pikky" obedience is nothing more than another of your accusatyions that people who are obedient under grace are somehow under the law.

You my friend came looking for me it seem, so now get on the thread theme. If you have something to say about obedience being
replaced by grace, start yoour own thread, but leave those who love to please the FAther to share teh Word and not your perverse understanding of grace. It does not float the boat, not any boat...


Silly question.... of course I believe we should pay attention to his will (look at my signature)

that is why I reject the whole premise of having to keep all the nit-picky points of the Law.

We are not under the Law.
 

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jIf you are saying I have ev er said we must obey all 611 of the laws, you are truly a liar.

If you are sying because you ive in grace you are permitted to kill or be disrespectful of your parents or of God, then you are walking in darkness.

This thread though is about the killing in Las Vegas.

I see you have come to bring up the subject of obedience again.

The Father prefers obedience to sacrifice. Your rema4rk on !pikky" obedience is nothing more than another of your accusatyions that people who are obedient under grace are somehow under the law.

You my friend came looking for me it seem, so now get on the thread theme. If you have something to say about obedience being
replaced by grace, start yoour own thread, but leave those who love to please the FAther to share teh Word and not your perverse understanding of grace. It does not float the boat, not any boat...
Good grief.... trying to understand and discuss things with you is usually difficult, but you've just taken it to a whole new level.

I'm sorry that my belief that we are saved by grace bothers your Jewish-like adherence to Mosaic law. Let's just drop it... I cannot respond adequately to your rambling accusations and assumptions.
 

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I have already suggestedd you start your own thread.

You do not seem to have the wits bout you to remain on topic of this thread.

Is being Jewish something that annoys you?

I am not Jewish, but I do believe I am adopted into the Issrael of God, a fellow heir with all Israel. I bet this hurts your feelings against Jews.

Jesus was a Jew you know of Israel? He is also King of the Jews. Is He your King? Then perhaps you are a Jew.

Remember being Jew or not, it is the faith in Jesus that saves us all........I know because He said so. Read that in the Word.

Now, cease to imply or teach to me me that obedience is wrong, that is a true sin, forgiveable, but still a sin.

Stop stalking me, and stop making up tales about me. The Father of lies is Satan.... He was disobedient.




Good grief.... trying to understand and discuss things with you is usually difficult, but you've just taken it to a whole new level.

I'm sorry that my belief that we are saved by grace bothers your Jewish-like adherence to Mosaic law. Let's just drop it... I cannot respond adequately to your rambling accusations and assumptions.